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By:
wondersobright
When: 20 Sep 19 19:06
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/853530.stm

and there
By:
Charlie
When: 20 Sep 19 19:31
I'll quote myself here.

I've posted many times on the difference between a high-impact crash and those occurring at take-off or landing. There is a huge difference. I suggest you look into the differences and then reconsider your opinion.

Have you done this wonder?
By:
JML
When: 20 Sep 19 19:34
The UA93 was dark blue and grey but the wings were white.

In fact it's very unusual for wings to be any other colour.
By:
Angoose
When: 20 Sep 19 19:38
Another way to look at the same thing.
Where did the plane, and all of the people onboard it, go?

Whilst not always the most reliable of sites, have a look at the relevant Wikipedia page.
It includes relevant photographs of wreckage along with links to the material referenced within the page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93
By:
Angoose
When: 20 Sep 19 19:44
The flight had taken off at 8:01 from Newark, N.J., bound for San Francisco. But as it passed south of Cleveland, Ohio, it took a sudden, violent left turn and headed inexplicably back into Pennsylvania. As the 757 and its 38 passengers and seven crew members blew past Pittsburgh, air-traffic controllers tried frantically to raise the crew via radio. There was no response.

Forty miles further down the new flight path, in rural Somerset County, Terry Butler, 40, was pulling the radiator from a gray 1992 Dodge Caravan at the junkyard where he works. He had been watching the news and knew all flights were supposed to be grounded. He was stunned when he looked up in the sky and saw Flight 93 cutting through the lingering morning fog. "It was moving like you wouldn't believe," he said.

The rogue plane soared over woodland, cattle pastures and cornfields until it passed over Kelly Leverknight's home. She too was watching the news. Her husband, on his regular tour of duty with the Air National Guard's 167th Airlift Wing in Martinsburg, W.Va., had just called to reassure his wife that his base was still operating normally when she heard the plane rush by. "It was headed toward the school," she said, the school where her three children were.

Had Flight 93 stayed aloft a few seconds longer, it would have ploughed into Shanksville-Stonycreek School and its 501 students, grades K through 12. Instead, at 10:06 a.m., the plane smashed into a reclaimed section of an old coal strip mine. The largest pieces of the plane still extant are barely bigger than a telephone book. "I just keep thinking--two miles," said elementary principal Rosemarie Tipton. "There but for the grace of God--two miles."

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,174655-4,00.html
By Nancy Gibbs Wednesday, Sept. 12, 2001
By:
JML
When: 20 Sep 19 19:44
Good point Angoose--I'm not keen on any conspiracy theory that involves more than about 5
people at most.But on this thread we're well into the hundreds of co conspirators.
By:
wondersobright
When: 20 Sep 19 19:49
so which is it?

this...
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/113856696808963105/?lp=true

or this?
The largest pieces of the plane still extant are barely bigger than a telephone book
By:
Angoose
When: 20 Sep 19 19:55
I have no idea what Nancy Gibbs had seen prior to filing her piece that was published on the day following the incidents.
If you read her article though, it is evidently clear that her approach is that of human interest rather than a forensic engineering study.
By:
JML
When: 20 Sep 19 19:58
How many people would it have taken to dig this hole and fake the crash site? And how long?

No shortage of people saw the plane crash but no one seems to notice this hole being dug,
which is a coincidence because no one noticed the explosives being placed in the building.

So we are back to providing evidence that the photo was photoshopped.


The largest pieces of the plane still extant are barely bigger than a telephone book

totally meaningless out of context.
By:
wondersobright
When: 20 Sep 19 20:01
who said anything about people digging a hole?

all I've said is I don't think it was UA93
By:
JML
When: 20 Sep 19 20:03
however, my views are that this...
Pentagon was hit by a missile. Shanksville was just a hole dug up, no plane involved.
is completely correct
reason being that I see no evidence of a plane having crashed at either sites
By:
wondersobright
When: 20 Sep 19 20:03
exactly
By:
wondersobright
When: 20 Sep 19 20:04
you introduced the people digging the hole, not me
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 20 Sep 19 20:27
Detroller :   

How about you realise this is not my disclosure about the physics. They are the current laws of physics which we work with !!!!!!

When i research ( sorry look into as Charlie prefers that ) I look at what the evidence tells me . Not what MMS and forum no marks spew out.

I have no interest in the Hollywood movie which shows the Wile E Coyote silhouette punctured holes in the buildings. God give me strength !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I looked at numerous conclusions and decided that the official spin was indeed just that. Those commercial planes would have broken up on impact as per the reasoning, they would not have disappeared into the abyss of the steel constructed fortress.

Far too much evidence to make me think anything else, however, everyone is entitled to their own opinion Crazy

Far too much information included in that simple document * to show the reasoning offered makes sense.

Mex.. As well as dissing the current laws of physics you have offered a new word for us to decipher ...garbabage You really are a waste of space. No theories just appraisal of evidence. You don't have theories when you do that.

Read this presentation again and see if you can understand it .. although i doubt it.  * https://911planeshoax.com/2014/01/11/proof-that-no-real-planes-were-used-on-911/ *

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
— ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER, German philosopher (1788–1860).


Enjoy your evening Cry
By:
JML
When: 20 Sep 19 20:32
Far too much evidence to make me think anything else

And obviously far to much evidence to share and discuss.
By:
Angoose
When: 20 Sep 19 20:35
Do you think he’s on a big wind up or does he actually believe the nonsense on that website?
By:
JML
When: 20 Sep 19 20:43
At the moment I'm not 100% sure. 

He's on a completely different intellectual level to McCann but at the moment he's nothing more than a preacher.
By:
Mexico
When: 20 Sep 19 20:50
John

It is obvious you did not study Physics even to O level/ GCSE level. That is a very basic level where children are introduced to Newton's laws. No calculus needed at that level yet you fail.

John you must realise you have zero understanding of Newton's laws so why post such rubbish. Clearly you would fail any common sense & logic test .

You still haven't answered that simple Physics question regarding energy of objects of different masses travelling at the same velocity.

Why post lies John?
By:
boxingthefox
When: 20 Sep 19 21:02
Jesus H, is this still running?. An immutable, subject where we don't even have a vote. I'm sure Trumpy tunes in every night to CC to decide his next move.CrazyCrazyCrazy
By:
detraveller
When: 20 Sep 19 22:23
I did an internship at Illuminati in 2009 and my supervisor told me 9/11 was planned in Ingolstadt to make America invade Afghanistan. But they had a mole and the Americans found out. The original plan only had three planes crashing into the towers

SO when the americans found out they did two things. One they faked an attack on Pentagon so they could burn some files currently they were under investigation for. Second they set up explosives in the twin towers and WTC7 so that they could bring the buildings down and surprise the illuminati people. On the day of the attack two planes crashed into the twin towers but the one that was supposed to crash into WTC7 had already crashed in Shanksville. It was too late though and the WTC7 explosives went off exactly when they were supposed to and brought the building down. True story.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 20 Sep 19 22:46
Since when did America start killing their own to go to war, FFS, do you really believe what you think?. I suppose Hitlers crimes against the world (your legacy) twist your reasoning, or lack of.
By:
Angoose
When: 20 Sep 19 22:46
Were you recruited by Adam Weishaupt?
By:
detraveller
When: 20 Sep 19 23:01
By:
boxingthefox
When: 20 Sep 19 23:18
When losing revert to puerile gestures, grow up!.
By:
jucel69
When: 20 Sep 19 23:22

Sep 20, 2019 -- 10:46PM, boxingthefox wrote:


Since when did America start killing their own to go to war, FFS, do you really believe what you think?. I suppose Hitlers crimes against the world (your legacy) twist your reasoning, or lack of.


USS Maine?

Pearl Habour?

Supposed attack on U.S. Navy ships in Vietnam’s Gulf of Tonkin in 1964

The Northwoods Paradigm
Made public for the first time in 1997, the 200-plus pages of Northwoods material illuminate seven key goals of what the JCS called “pretext operations.”

Create indignation among Americans. Or as the JCS stated, “place the United States in the position of suffering justifiable grievances.”
Depict the enemy as a violent rogue actor. To make the bogus charges of terrorism stick, the Northwoods planners said, “Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement would also be helpful to projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.”
Contrive an “unprovoked” attack on the United States. The Northwoods planners said “It is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs [Soviet-made fighter jets] have destroyed a USAF [U.S. Air Force] aircraft over international water in an unprovoked attack.”
Mimic real enemy actions, if possible. “Justification for U.S. intervention probably would be more convincing to the American public and rest of the world if it could be related to real and valid provocations rather than based wholly on manufactured cases which entail risk of compromise.”
Go to great lengths to generate false but incriminating detail. To stage a fake hijacking, the Northwoods planners suggested:
“An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization… At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft would be loaded with selected passengers, all board under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

“Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being [sic] transmitting on the international distress frequency a ‘MAY DAY’ message…”
If necessary, sacrifice human life to make the operation credible. In the Northwoods proposal to “sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated),” the merciless parenthetical shows that even people fleeing the target regime were considered potentially expendable to achieve U.S. goals.
Exploit the news cycle to promote false claims. In early 1962, the United States was preparing to launch astronaut John Glenn into space. Operation Dirty Trick would be mounted to “provide irrevocable proof that, should the MERCURY manned orbit flight fail, the fault lies with the Communists… This could be accomplished by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference…”

9/11?

Anthrax 2002

By:
detraveller
When: 20 Sep 19 23:22

Sep 20, 2019 -- 11:18PM, boxingthefox wrote:


When losing revert to puerile gestures, grow up!.


Looks like you don't know what these 9/11 threads are about :)

By:
boxingthefox
When: 20 Sep 19 23:27
Pearl harbour, REALLY!!. My talking to morons allocation is fully used up, detroller how do you ever find time to bet, or is spouting drivel on here your raison d'être. CrazyCrazy
By:
jucel69
When: 20 Sep 19 23:29

Sep 20, 2019 -- 11:27PM, boxingthefox wrote:


Pearl harbour, REALLY!!. My talking to morons allocation is fully used up, detroller how do you ever find time to bet, or is spouting drivel on here your raison d'être.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory

By:
detraveller
When: 20 Sep 19 23:30

Sep 20, 2019 -- 11:27PM, boxingthefox wrote:


Pearl harbour, REALLY!!. My talking to morons allocation is fully used up, detroller how do you ever find time to bet, or is spouting drivel on here your raison d'être.


As i said, you dont know what these threads are about. Best you stay out.

By:
jucel69
When: 20 Sep 19 23:32
I'm just amazed how much faith people have in their governments!
Is it naivety or some kind of national pride?
By:
jucel69
When: 20 Sep 19 23:33
I trust govts as much as I trust the Pak cricket team!
By:
detraveller
When: 20 Sep 19 23:34
Grin
By:
jucel69
When: 20 Sep 19 23:35
DT if tomorrow the headline was that the US was behind 9/11, what would your level of surprise be

1 = not at all
10 = very surprised
By:
boxingthefox
When: 20 Sep 19 23:37
Oh dear, carry on kiddies, carry on hating, carry on indulging in conspiracy theories about things over which you have no influence let alone a say. Feeling 'empowered' with ones own scribbles on a (dimishing) gambooooling forum must be so fullfilling.
By:
detraveller
When: 20 Sep 19 23:47

Sep 20, 2019 -- 11:37PM, boxingthefox wrote:


Oh dear, carry on kiddies, carry on hating, carry on indulging in conspiracy theories about things over which you have no influence let alone a say. Feeling 'empowered' with ones own scribbles on a (dimishing) gambooooling forum must be so fullfilling.


for the third time, you dont know what this thread is about.

i'll help, its about who can come up with the most ridiculous conspiracy theory. you're the fool for taking my post seriously,

By:
detraveller
When: 20 Sep 19 23:49

Sep 20, 2019 -- 11:35PM, jucel69 wrote:


DT if tomorrow the headline was that the US was behind 9/11, what would your level of surprise be1 = not at all10 = very surprised


1.

By:
boxingthefox
When: 21 Sep 19 22:30
De troller, as you may , or most probably may not realise, I don't post on here 24/7/365. I do realise what your arrogant replies are about, you have already stated that half on here are brain dead in your Germanic estimation.

You obviously despise anyone on here who disagrees with you, takes me back in history to the 1930s. Mimicking is a way you Germanicaly think is clever or intelegent/satirical, ....it is actually way out of date by decades.

You pontificate on everything!, fckn hell you must be a genius. Crazy
By:
detraveller
When: 21 Sep 19 22:57
As I mentioned, this thread is exactly about what you are accusing me to be.

There's a guy here who thinks 6 billion people will be killed by 5G by 2025.
There's another who says if you dropped yourself on a block of concrete, the damage done to your body will be the same as if the concrete block was dropped on you.
There's another who's been searching for answers for over a year now and is on autopilot now.

Pardon me for my arrogance and pontification(whatever that means)

Stay here long enough and you'll go crazy like the rest of us. Or just take it easy and live with the way we all are.
By:
detraveller
When: 21 Sep 19 23:02
I see I may have offended you with the barbarian poking his nose pic. That wasn't meant as a response to you, I keep posting these pics at random. When you asked me when did america start killing their own to go to war, I didn't respond because the illuminati story was obviously made up(exactly what others do on this thread, I was just doing my part). I can understand it may have come across as arrogant as I didn't respond to you then and instead posted that pic.

I own the rest of the nonsense I post though. I just request you not to take any of it seriousy.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 22 Sep 19 09:31
Fir enough detraveller, reasonable responses eruditely elucidated. I was being unfair
to you, and acknowledge that fact. My 'broad brush' criticisms of your origins were also wrong, and you not rising to the bait is indeed a credit to you.

I will cease and desist as of now and wish you a fond good day. Happy
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