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"Motorways across the country were dealt a fresh blow last night after a widow announced she plans to sue Highway England for corporate manslaughter"
"A spate of deaths in the last year have raised concerns about the safety of the road-which use technologies and strategist to reduce congestion and increase capacity"
"These methods include using the hard shoulder as a running lane and using to control the flow of the traffic".
"Four people have been killed on the M1 in just 10 months after being hit by traffic in a live lane that used to be the hard shoulder the Sunday Telegraph reports".
"In each case the victims died after failing to reach a safe lay-by on the same stretch of motorway".
"A spate of deaths in the last year have raised concerns about the safety of the road-which use technologies and strategist to reduce congestion and increase capacity"
"These methods include using the hard shoulder as a running lane and using to control the flow of the traffic".
"Four people have been killed on the M1 in just 10 months after being hit by traffic in a live lane that used to be the hard shoulder the Sunday Telegraph reports".
"In each case the victims died after failing to reach a safe lay-by on the same stretch of motorway".
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It amazes me that they can find the money straight away because its "smart" and yet the roads and pavements are left to go from rack to ruin and have been for years. Highway England have pencilled in the extra deaths this wonderful idea will cause already so that's ok then
This is inevitable, because you can't get something for nothing.
Always knew they were a death trap when I first saw one years ago on the M42. I remember saying to Mrs Wife, 'sheet, they've got rid of the hard shoulder - what happens if you have a sudden emergency? You've got nowhere to go!'
Always knew they were a death trap when I first saw one years ago on the M42. I remember saying to Mrs Wife, 'sheet, they've got rid of the hard shoulder - what happens if you have a sudden emergency? You've got nowhere to go!'
came across one on the m3 near the slip road to m25 - just sat there on inside lane argh!!! good job I was slowing down ready to come off!!!
Its madness, after an accident and with no hard shoulder and all lanes blocked,how on earth do the emergency services get though? How many lives will be lost because they couldn't get though in time?
You have to hope you can notice and brake in time or have an option to get out of said lane!!
In my case there was a gap and I was down to about 50 ready for the slip road about a mile ahead
if not there would have been a mess
In my case there was a gap and I was down to about 50 ready for the slip road about a mile ahead
if not there would have been a mess
The lady is suing because there was no "safe zone", hopefully this legal action will stop this madness,but with anything with "smart" names in it,its like an unstoppable streamroller no matter how daft.
"Report reveals dangers of breaking down on a smart motorway-stopping in live-running lane 216% more dangerous than hard shoulder it replaces"
Not heard that on the caring BBC.
Not heard that on the caring BBC.
Ridiculous situation terry can’t believe what I am seeing it must be terrifying for anybody who has a problem,sadly there will be many more deaths,who on earth came up with this idea.
Have often thought the same when hard shoulders are 'opened' to ease traffic. Is it worth it? Not for me.
If someone has to stop in a driving lane(hard shoulder in use) then the non-moving traffic soon builds up behind the stationary car so it is soon not hazardous anymore but will cause delays ...oc
When 5G kicks in drivers will be able to see in real time if there is a stationary car up front. Thanks to its fast speed and low latency drivers will be able to react timely to the new information.
#5GwillSaveLives
#5GwillSaveLives
I can see how you are official rated a no mark troll
The report was made by the AA and their President Edmund King called on the authorities to stop the removal of hard shoulders and double the number if ERAs available to motorists on roads where the hard shoulder has already become a running lane.
"This is truly shocking revelation" said King "and shows how dangerous it can be breaking down in a live lane,this highlights why growing numbers of the public are justified in their safety concerns over the removal of the hard shoulder." "Ultimately until you are found by the camera YOU ARE A SITTING DUCK"
"This is truly shocking revelation" said King "and shows how dangerous it can be breaking down in a live lane,this highlights why growing numbers of the public are justified in their safety concerns over the removal of the hard shoulder." "Ultimately until you are found by the camera YOU ARE A SITTING DUCK"
Thanks for pointing out the 5G connection Detroller, they really don't give a flying f uck about peoples safety with it.
With about 6bn people expected to be killed in the next 5 years thanks to 5G, road safety isnt an immediate concern for me. You should also calm down. 4 deaths in a year is nothing compared to a billion a year. When there are only half a million people left on the planet, do you really think road congestion will be an issue? You are overreacting.
38 deaths in five years.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/poor-smart-motorway-safety-cost-lives-221000/
What anyone with any common sense could see coming from a mile away.
Discussing it on the radio, it seems the scheme was based and passed on a trial.
But once passed, the criteria for the trial was abandoned and they went ahead with something different, like instead of having safe places to pull up every 500 meters, they still used one and a half miles apart.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/poor-smart-motorway-safety-cost-lives-221000/
What anyone with any common sense could see coming from a mile away.
Discussing it on the radio, it seems the scheme was based and passed on a trial.
But once passed, the criteria for the trial was abandoned and they went ahead with something different, like instead of having safe places to pull up every 500 meters, they still used one and a half miles apart.
Government department bullshine
''Evidence indicates that smart motorways are helping to improve safety. The first nine of the latest generation of smart motorways have reduced casualty rates by more than 25 per cent.''
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/safety-on-smart-motorways
It's unbelievable how they continue to lead us up the garden path.
''Evidence indicates that smart motorways are helping to improve safety. The first nine of the latest generation of smart motorways have reduced casualty rates by more than 25 per cent.''
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/safety-on-smart-motorways
It's unbelievable how they continue to lead us up the garden path.
it's all about the economy ...each of our lives is measured in ££££
it's been like that for yonks
just have your wits about you when driving on these roads .... be prepared ,as they say in the scouts
it's been like that for yonks
just have your wits about you when driving on these roads .... be prepared ,as they say in the scouts
getting a lorry to stop is the big challenge imo ...if you come to a halt ,jump out of the car pronto
maybe jsut have it as a slow lane ....so anyone driving on it during peak hours can only drive at 40mph max ...and you stay in it !!
Oddly enough Coach,its about 5G(it does so much more than give you faster broadband and none of it good)and the forthcoming driverless cars.
Nothing has change from my original post,no money for roads or pavements but this sh1t ,they are working on it 7 days a week and to f uck who gets killed because of it.
Nothing has change from my original post,no money for roads or pavements but this sh1t ,they are working on it 7 days a week and to f uck who gets killed because of it.
Dr crippen
I also heard the radio show surely someone has to be held accountable for moving the goalposts absolutely incredible the people who thought this certain death trap was going to be a success,I have never marched in my life but would if it meant this utter madness would be stopped.
I also heard the radio show surely someone has to be held accountable for moving the goalposts absolutely incredible the people who thought this certain death trap was going to be a success,I have never marched in my life but would if it meant this utter madness would be stopped.
but it was so obviously - who would put themselves in an unfriendly pub without knowing where you could run to?
Rubbish these Smart Motorways. All that money spent and I still haven't been able to connect to the wifi
The UK motorway design of 3 lanes & hard shoulder is basically from 1960s.
We have far more cars using the roads now & cars are more reliable.
It would be safer to have a spare lane but at the cost of either congestion or the cost of building another lane.
Sooner or later will have computers driving our cars on motorway so shouldn't crash into nother vehicles (or at least not as often as human drivers do)
We have far more cars using the roads now & cars are more reliable.
It would be safer to have a spare lane but at the cost of either congestion or the cost of building another lane.
Sooner or later will have computers driving our cars on motorway so shouldn't crash into nother vehicles (or at least not as often as human drivers do)
Ah a no mark thinks they are a good idea,tell me chaps,who much longer are you going to put up with these bastatds? After all they want you dead.
Watched Panorama last night, shocking stuff in all honesty, braindead transport minister Grant Shapps advised if you cant get out the passenger door of the car " stay put " I ask you how many would sit in a car for say 30 min on a motorway 
Stick the little weasel in that position and see how long he would stay put
Mexico yet again.
Mexico28 Jan 20 21:27Joined: 25 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 6,211 | Blogger: Mexico's blog
The UK motorway design of 3 lanes & hard shoulder is basically from 1960s.
We have far more cars using the roads now & cars are more reliable.
It would be safer to have a spare lane but at the cost of either congestion or the cost of building another lane.
Sooner or later will have computers driving our cars on motorway so shouldn't crash into nother vehicles (or at least not as often as human drivers do)
Incredibly naive. 100% confirmed that i will avoid all of these smart motorways now i have been alerted to the mexico endorsement. If he calls heads YOU KNOW IT WILL BE TAILS
Mexico28 Jan 20 21:27Joined: 25 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 6,211 | Blogger: Mexico's blog
The UK motorway design of 3 lanes & hard shoulder is basically from 1960s.
We have far more cars using the roads now & cars are more reliable.
It would be safer to have a spare lane but at the cost of either congestion or the cost of building another lane.
Sooner or later will have computers driving our cars on motorway so shouldn't crash into nother vehicles (or at least not as often as human drivers do)
Incredibly naive. 100% confirmed that i will avoid all of these smart motorways now i have been alerted to the mexico endorsement. If he calls heads YOU KNOW IT WILL BE TAILS
John
Yet again more wittering without saying anything.
I'll take you up on your heads/tails bet.
Assume you will offer me 10/1 each spin.
Or maybe you are just ranting , you seem to be obsessed with me. Poor Johnny.
Yet again more wittering without saying anything.
I'll take you up on your heads/tails bet.
Assume you will offer me 10/1 each spin.
Or maybe you are just ranting , you seem to be obsessed with me. Poor Johnny.
Great news mex,they are still digging up the middle of the M27 and even better news,more drivers were p1ssed off than yesterday about it
Evidence is there mex. Just watch and learn and see if you can comprehend 
2 million views. Somehow you missed it ???? Youe research into these matters must be extensive
Now how did those aluminium shelled planes " disappear into those steel framed towers " In your own time and in your own expert opinion ???
2 million views. Somehow you missed it ???? Youe research into these matters must be extensive
Now how did those aluminium shelled planes " disappear into those steel framed towers " In your own time and in your own expert opinion ???
You see Mex. I have you in my pocket . I highlighted your stupidity yonks ago and there4 in the name of the good leopard i know you will never change them spots
Very important to know why they are digging in the middle of a motorway, hundreds of them working on it,why they are laying the dark fibre for the 5G
and that's so uncool!
and that's so uncool!
Jonny
You have not bothered to explain your preferred Motoway solution. Instead you just act like a child and start ranting about me without offering anything constructive .
"I have you in my posset" - just grow up.
So if we decide that we shouldn't use the hard shoulder for driving- in should be left empty in case a modern car breaks down & is unable to limp the 2 miles to a safe refuge.
So what are the alternatives
1) Go back to 3 lanes & hard shoulder- we accept there will be congestion but will be safe or charge people to use the motorway so usage drops.
2) Build another road/lane. - we decide it is worth spending money.
What is the solution if we decide humans can't be trusted to drive on a Motoway without a hard shoulder?
You have not bothered to explain your preferred Motoway solution. Instead you just act like a child and start ranting about me without offering anything constructive .
"I have you in my posset" - just grow up.
So if we decide that we shouldn't use the hard shoulder for driving- in should be left empty in case a modern car breaks down & is unable to limp the 2 miles to a safe refuge.
So what are the alternatives
1) Go back to 3 lanes & hard shoulder- we accept there will be congestion but will be safe or charge people to use the motorway so usage drops.
2) Build another road/lane. - we decide it is worth spending money.
What is the solution if we decide humans can't be trusted to drive on a Motoway without a hard shoulder?
Now how did those aluminium shelled planes " disappear into those steel framed towers " In your own time and in your own expert opinion ???
John.W.Henry you're becoming more pathetic and childish every passing day.
If you were half as clever as you think you are you would know that 9/11 wasn't the first time an airoplane had crashed into a New York skyscraper.
In 1945 a B-25 crashed into the Empire state building.
,
A tiny plane, compared to those on 9/11, travelling at much slower speed with a fraction of the fuel onboard crashed into a steel framed tower and it disappeared,leaving a sizable hole in the side of the building.
How could this possible happen? In your own time and in your own expert opinion.
John.W.Henry you're becoming more pathetic and childish every passing day.
If you were half as clever as you think you are you would know that 9/11 wasn't the first time an airoplane had crashed into a New York skyscraper.
In 1945 a B-25 crashed into the Empire state building.
,
A tiny plane, compared to those on 9/11, travelling at much slower speed with a fraction of the fuel onboard crashed into a steel framed tower and it disappeared,leaving a sizable hole in the side of the building.
How could this possible happen? In your own time and in your own expert opinion.
JML30 Jan 20 05:23Joined: 10 May 05 | Topic/replies: 1,587 | Blogger: JML's blog
Now how did those aluminium shelled planes " disappear into those steel framed towers " In your own time and in your own expert opinion ???
John.W.Henry you're becoming more pathetic and childish every passing day.
If you were half as clever as you think you are you would know that 9/11 wasn't the first time an airoplane had crashed into a New York skyscraper.
In 1945 a B-25 crashed into the Empire state building.
,
A tiny plane, compared to those on 9/11, travelling at much slower speed with a fraction of the fuel onboard crashed into a steel framed tower and it disappeared,leaving a sizable hole in the side of the building.
How could this possible happen? In your own time and in your own expert opinion.[b]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YLWh8Rbp7o
[/b]
Ok here is your bomber of 1945. Uncanny that they found wreckage of the bomber here there and everywhere isnt it ?
1945
July 28
Plane crashes into Empire State Building
A United States military plane crashes into the Empire State Building on this day in 1945, killing 14 people. The freak accident was caused by heavy fog.
The B-25 Mitchell bomber, with two pilots and one passenger aboard, was flying from New Bedford, Massachusetts, to LaGuardia Airport in New York City. As it came into the metropolitan area on that Saturday morning, the fog was particularly thick. Air-traffic controllers instructed the plane to fly to Newark Airport instead.
This new flight plan took the plane over Manhattan; the crew was specifically warned that the Empire State Building, the tallest building in the city at the time, was not visible. The bomber was flying relatively slowly and quite low, seeking better visibility, when it came upon the Chrysler Building in midtown. It swerved to avoid the building but the move sent it straight into the north side of the Empire State Building, near the 79th floor.
Upon impact, the plane’s fuel exploded, filling the interior of the building with flames all the way down to the 75th floor and sending flames out of the hole the plane had ripped open in the building’s side. One engine from the plane went straight through the building and landed in a penthouse apartment across the street. Other plane parts ended up embedded in and on top of nearby buildings. The other engine snapped an elevator cable while at least one woman was riding in the elevator car. The emergency auto brake saved the woman from crashing to the bottom, but the engine fell down the shaft and landed on top of it. Quick-thinking rescuers pulled the woman from the elevator, saving her life.
So how remarkable was this : The Empire State Building reopened for business just two days later, and even more remarkably, it took just three months to repair all the damage.
Based on the information collated by the WTC structural engineers the twin towers were constructed in a manner to withstand the impact of a modern day aircraft and i will enclose a link to a documentary ( https://911planeshoax.com/2013/09/11/proof-that-no-real-planes-were-used-on-911/ explaining the format from which it was built amoung many other facts and evidence which you may want to ignore
I don't expect you to watch/read/comprehend all of this it but as i bat for the truth i am always open to research anything anyone throws up that may include something i may have missed. So rather than try and be oh so clever i strongly recommend you carry out some proper research of your own b4 trying to jump on the side of the official narrative and play MR JUST MANIPULATING LIES
When you play with fire YOU will get burnt unless you can ring fence your points of research to back up your belief.
As a footnote i am not that clever at all but i am guided by exceptionally talented investigative journalists and researchers who i trust implicitly ( far more than the propaganda driven MSM and official narratives which are spun out against almost every major incident we are now subjected to on an almost daily basis).
Ok thats that. back over to you to defend your belief. I am content that my knowledge, although extremely difficult and time consuming to amass, is far closer to the truth than what the history books tell us.
I do not expect to hear back from you anytime soon so i will draft up a thread just for you containing many points of research you may want to refer to IF you really want to understand the truth.
Now how did those aluminium shelled planes " disappear into those steel framed towers " In your own time and in your own expert opinion ???
John.W.Henry you're becoming more pathetic and childish every passing day.
If you were half as clever as you think you are you would know that 9/11 wasn't the first time an airoplane had crashed into a New York skyscraper.
In 1945 a B-25 crashed into the Empire state building.
,
A tiny plane, compared to those on 9/11, travelling at much slower speed with a fraction of the fuel onboard crashed into a steel framed tower and it disappeared,leaving a sizable hole in the side of the building.
How could this possible happen? In your own time and in your own expert opinion.[b]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YLWh8Rbp7o
[/b]
Ok here is your bomber of 1945. Uncanny that they found wreckage of the bomber here there and everywhere isnt it ?
1945
July 28
Plane crashes into Empire State Building
A United States military plane crashes into the Empire State Building on this day in 1945, killing 14 people. The freak accident was caused by heavy fog.
The B-25 Mitchell bomber, with two pilots and one passenger aboard, was flying from New Bedford, Massachusetts, to LaGuardia Airport in New York City. As it came into the metropolitan area on that Saturday morning, the fog was particularly thick. Air-traffic controllers instructed the plane to fly to Newark Airport instead.
This new flight plan took the plane over Manhattan; the crew was specifically warned that the Empire State Building, the tallest building in the city at the time, was not visible. The bomber was flying relatively slowly and quite low, seeking better visibility, when it came upon the Chrysler Building in midtown. It swerved to avoid the building but the move sent it straight into the north side of the Empire State Building, near the 79th floor.
Upon impact, the plane’s fuel exploded, filling the interior of the building with flames all the way down to the 75th floor and sending flames out of the hole the plane had ripped open in the building’s side. One engine from the plane went straight through the building and landed in a penthouse apartment across the street. Other plane parts ended up embedded in and on top of nearby buildings. The other engine snapped an elevator cable while at least one woman was riding in the elevator car. The emergency auto brake saved the woman from crashing to the bottom, but the engine fell down the shaft and landed on top of it. Quick-thinking rescuers pulled the woman from the elevator, saving her life.
So how remarkable was this : The Empire State Building reopened for business just two days later, and even more remarkably, it took just three months to repair all the damage.
Based on the information collated by the WTC structural engineers the twin towers were constructed in a manner to withstand the impact of a modern day aircraft and i will enclose a link to a documentary ( https://911planeshoax.com/2013/09/11/proof-that-no-real-planes-were-used-on-911/ explaining the format from which it was built amoung many other facts and evidence which you may want to ignore
I don't expect you to watch/read/comprehend all of this it but as i bat for the truth i am always open to research anything anyone throws up that may include something i may have missed. So rather than try and be oh so clever i strongly recommend you carry out some proper research of your own b4 trying to jump on the side of the official narrative and play MR JUST MANIPULATING LIES
When you play with fire YOU will get burnt unless you can ring fence your points of research to back up your belief.
As a footnote i am not that clever at all but i am guided by exceptionally talented investigative journalists and researchers who i trust implicitly ( far more than the propaganda driven MSM and official narratives which are spun out against almost every major incident we are now subjected to on an almost daily basis).
Ok thats that. back over to you to defend your belief. I am content that my knowledge, although extremely difficult and time consuming to amass, is far closer to the truth than what the history books tell us.
I do not expect to hear back from you anytime soon so i will draft up a thread just for you containing many points of research you may want to refer to IF you really want to understand the truth.
Mex.. If they are going to run with these smart motorways which it looks as they will regardless of the protests then they have to ensure that they install as many emergency refuge areas (ERA) as they can to ensure drivers can get the **** out of the traffic. Do you get that ? Or are you so ******* thick that it goes way out of your level of comprehension ???
Will i be using them ? Not if i can help it unless they at the same time implement the above or we are going to be faced with a disaster just waiting to happen, HOWEVER, I COULD BE WRONG !!!!!
Will i be using them ? Not if i can help it unless they at the same time implement the above or we are going to be faced with a disaster just waiting to happen, HOWEVER, I COULD BE WRONG !!!!!
Very hard to avoid using them if they are on a route that you use regularly. Being retired, time is not such a priority but for instance, I have 2 sons with families. One in Whitchurch near Cardiff which is a very long journey from Wedmore, Somerset without using either the M5 or M4. My other son is in Royston so we would take the A303, M4, M25 and A1M for the shortest route. I have back problems which makes 90 minutes the longest time I can safely drive without a break so motorway services are the best solution. The nearest train for Cardiff would involve driving to Weston S. Mare, leaving a car there and changing in Bristol and again on to a local Cardiff train. Getting to Royston involves driving to Castle Cary, train to London, tube across London and a train to Royston. To get to my son's house in Bassingbourn would mean a taxi. If you live in a town centre and never visit rural areas, public transport is the answer but that is no use to me. I think that they will have to stop any new smart motorways and quickly improve safety on existing ones.
I think that’s the only realistic solution sageform although I would like to see them completely do away with those already built.
Well gentlemen as its got 5G connections,they will continue weather we like it or not
Ok here is your bomber of 1945. Uncanny that they found wreckage of the bomber here there and everywhere isnt it ?
Upon impact, the plane’s fuel exploded, filling the interior of the building with flames all the way down to the 75th floor and sending flames out of the hole the plane had ripped open in the building’s side. One engine from the plane went straight through the building and landed in a penthouse apartment across the street. Other plane parts ended up embedded in and on top of nearby buildings. The other engine snapped an elevator cable while at least one woman was riding in the elevator car. The emergency auto brake saved the woman from crashing to the bottom, but the engine fell down the shaft and landed on top of it. Quick-thinking rescuers pulled the woman from the elevator, saving her life.
Say no more--the plane disappeared into the steel framed tower,perhaps not 100% of it but who expect 100% to do so.
So how remarkable was this : The Empire State Building reopened for business just two days later
Totally irrelevant,you claim it's remarkable but fail to explain to explain why.
and even more remarkably, it took just three months to repair all the damage.
Again no explanation why it's so remarkable.
Instead of ranting about what it couldn't of been please tell us what crashed into the twin towers.
Upon impact, the plane’s fuel exploded, filling the interior of the building with flames all the way down to the 75th floor and sending flames out of the hole the plane had ripped open in the building’s side. One engine from the plane went straight through the building and landed in a penthouse apartment across the street. Other plane parts ended up embedded in and on top of nearby buildings. The other engine snapped an elevator cable while at least one woman was riding in the elevator car. The emergency auto brake saved the woman from crashing to the bottom, but the engine fell down the shaft and landed on top of it. Quick-thinking rescuers pulled the woman from the elevator, saving her life.
Say no more--the plane disappeared into the steel framed tower,perhaps not 100% of it but who expect 100% to do so.
So how remarkable was this : The Empire State Building reopened for business just two days later
Totally irrelevant,you claim it's remarkable but fail to explain to explain why.
and even more remarkably, it took just three months to repair all the damage.
Again no explanation why it's so remarkable.
Instead of ranting about what it couldn't of been please tell us what crashed into the twin towers.
John's modus operandi is to deny whatever the official version is and call you an idiot if you buy the official version. He doesn't have his own opinions, except when it comes to high level physics. Don't waste your time.
If you guys are happy to believe in fairy tales until they stick you in the middle lane of the smart motorway and have an engine failure then i wish you well.
Some see through it all, many dont. That is just as it is. I used to believe the fairy tales but years of rationally sifting through the available evidence took me to a different place.
Just keeping sucking up the lies until they eventually choke you much like a new virus will.
JML. take the time to look at the evidence available and if you are happy to accept the nonsense then thats fine by me. You can have your opinion and i will have mine.
Detroller... Time for a piccy i feel as you dont want to neglect your usefulness.
Enjoy your daze
Some see through it all, many dont. That is just as it is. I used to believe the fairy tales but years of rationally sifting through the available evidence took me to a different place.
Just keeping sucking up the lies until they eventually choke you much like a new virus will.
JML. take the time to look at the evidence available and if you are happy to accept the nonsense then thats fine by me. You can have your opinion and i will have mine.
Detroller... Time for a piccy i feel as you dont want to neglect your usefulness.
Enjoy your daze
Instead of ranting about what it couldn't of been please tell us what crashed into the twin towers.
Jan 30, 2020 -- 11:03AM, John.W.Henry. wrote:
If you guys are happy to believe in fairy tales until they stick you in the middle lane of the smart motorway and have an engine failure then i wish you well. Some see through it all, many dont. That is just as it is. I used to believe the fairy tales but years of rationally sifting through the available evidence took me to a different place. Just keeping sucking up the lies until they eventually choke you much like a new virus will. JML. take the time to look at the evidence available and if you are happy to accept the nonsense then thats fine by me. You can have your opinion and i will have mine. Detroller... Time for a piccy i feel as you dont want to neglect your usefulness. Enjoy your daze
exactly like i said. no opinions.
and yeah if you want to find out the truth watch the video.
detraveller---have you noticed how he's gone from a handful of posts a month to now posting
dozens every week. The forum now have two that devote a major part of their lives to conspiracies.
dozens every week. The forum now have two that devote a major part of their lives to conspiracies.
It beggars belief that they even considered building high speed motorways without a hard shoulders.
Why do they think they built them with hard shoulders in the first place?
Looking around the road system, they seem prepared to go to any lengths to secure a little bit more safety.
While here they've thrown safety to the dogs.
Why do they think they built them with hard shoulders in the first place?
Looking around the road system, they seem prepared to go to any lengths to secure a little bit more safety.
While here they've thrown safety to the dogs.
How strange its the usual pond life who support these death traps when decent people here see these "smart" motorways for what they are, its the same names that crop up every single time.
You're imagining things again mccann--there isn't a single thread on here in favour of smart motorways.
Are you ever going to get something right.
Are you ever going to get something right.
I assume by decent you include yourself---someone who abuses their own grandchildren.
So the smart motorways rely on internet connection do they? Another reason not to trust them.
it's only in use during congested periods ...so stick a 30mph speed limit on it ...problem solved
John W Henry
there is this myth that the lady that fell 75 stories in that lift only survived because she jumped up at the last minute
there is this myth that the lady that fell 75 stories in that lift only survived because she jumped up at the last minute
and so clever to call them 'smart' motorways so the name makes them safe and to appear(much more importantly) as safe. They are safe because we have called them 'smart' so they must be much safer than an ordinary motorway(which has the whole length covered by a safe pull off lane. They are SAFE they are SMART oh ho ho ho
As I have said before I was involved in one of these cars parked in the lane with no where to go - fortunately we were at 50 ish and there was space to avoid, luckily, just before the m25 turn off which is usually chocker (3 lanes full as we split off for gatwick or heathrow. The idea was plain stupid - who are these 'smart' planners? There was nothing smart about it with the car/driver and others at great risk.
As I have said before I was involved in one of these cars parked in the lane with no where to go - fortunately we were at 50 ish and there was space to avoid, luckily, just before the m25 turn off which is usually chocker (3 lanes full as we split off for gatwick or heathrow. The idea was plain stupid - who are these 'smart' planners? There was nothing smart about it with the car/driver and others at great risk.
John. Thanks for finally actually giving us an idea of what you would like to happen...
Spend money building more refuse points - currently about one every 1.5 miles . So should bring down to one every half a mile??
Does anyone actually object to the "smart" bit of these "smart Motoway ". The AA report is about the lack of hard shoulder. So is the ability to close lanes, reduce/ increase speed limits, monitor congestion etc. a good development.
Can't be long before these Motoways become safer by stopping humans driving. After all it is human drivers who crashed into a stationary vehicle which caused these 34 deaths. Or do we blame those deaths on the New World Order of Lizzards?
Spend money building more refuse points - currently about one every 1.5 miles . So should bring down to one every half a mile??
Does anyone actually object to the "smart" bit of these "smart Motoway ". The AA report is about the lack of hard shoulder. So is the ability to close lanes, reduce/ increase speed limits, monitor congestion etc. a good development.
Can't be long before these Motoways become safer by stopping humans driving. After all it is human drivers who crashed into a stationary vehicle which caused these 34 deaths. Or do we blame those deaths on the New World Order of Lizzards?
Haven't read back so apologies if this has been covered.....
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/38-people-killed-on-smart-motorways-in-last-five-years-bbc-panorama-reveals/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CHUB_INSUR_A_W1_2020-01-31_131535_11471537&cid=eml-email-CHUB_INSUR_A_W1_2020-01-31_131535_11471537-Drive_NL_INSU_1st_Feature
Frightening statistics, criminal even, especially if confronted with the true statistics!
Urgent action is required to rectify this situation by, at least, coning off the ex hard shoulder until a safer plan is put in place!
As a reasonable compromise, my own early thoughts are to make this lane a max speed limit of, say 30mph, but to allow "undertaking" if the second lane is moving at less than that speed!
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/38-people-killed-on-smart-motorways-in-last-five-years-bbc-panorama-reveals/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CHUB_INSUR_A_W1_2020-01-31_131535_11471537&cid=eml-email-CHUB_INSUR_A_W1_2020-01-31_131535_11471537-Drive_NL_INSU_1st_Feature
Frightening statistics, criminal even, especially if confronted with the true statistics!
Urgent action is required to rectify this situation by, at least, coning off the ex hard shoulder until a safer plan is put in place!
As a reasonable compromise, my own early thoughts are to make this lane a max speed limit of, say 30mph, but to allow "undertaking" if the second lane is moving at less than that speed!
Full works on M23 today,now you would have thought in a sane world where human lives mattered,work on Smart Motorways should be halted to try and sort safety out but not a bit of it-Boris and this sh1t government total bastards,but then they all are.
The first time I heard that they were about to remove the hard shoulder, a massive - WHAT? went off in my head.
From that point no evidence they could ever produce would change the fact for me that they were throwing safety to the dogs.
I think my attitude would apply to at least 90% of people.
Even with safety places set at 600 metres apart, still no way!
From that point no evidence they could ever produce would change the fact for me that they were throwing safety to the dogs.
I think my attitude would apply to at least 90% of people.
Even with safety places set at 600 metres apart, still no way!
Yes why accept 600 metres as its still far from safe?
How do people get into positions where they can put others lives at risk?
Whose idea was it in the first place?
There must have more than one, and the minister who approved it. Sack the lot!
Whose idea was it in the first place?
There must have more than one, and the minister who approved it. Sack the lot!
Highway England have already factored in the extra deaths that will occur on these so called Smart motorways, now if they know that so does the bloody government.
Terry - been like it for about a year on the M23.
The removal of the hard shoulder is suicide.
The removal of the hard shoulder is suicide.
undertaking is a practice which last time I heard was illegal but has become commonplace. It is one thing if there are 3 lanes of slow moving cars and you find the inside lane going slightly faster but I have been going 70 mph in the middle lane on a quiet stretch of motorway because I could see a truck ahead of me and a car passed me on the inside doing 90 and they just managed to get past the truck. Insane.
Its beyond crazy Injera,mile after mile of it and they have the nerve to call it an "upgrade"
But to be fair, Highways England produced reports about how much better they were and no minister is going to countermand his "experts" without evidence. They have to close them now though as the evidence is clear.
Agreed. Can’t get my head around what they’re doing in the middle. Excavation etc.
They are laying the dark fibre for 5G in the middle, and there lies the problem,nothing is going to stop 5G, a shame the BBC didn't mention it last Monday but they wouldn't would they.
I hope the victims' families are successful, and get compensation (if there's such a thing). The use of the hard shoulder on the motorway as a running-lane is sheer bonkers and ill-advised and ill-conceived putting the safety of users before traffic congestion/jam. It's merely to save money at he expense of the lives of motorists and their passengers.
The majority of the drivers in The UK are not competent drivers on ordinary roads, and the motorway is a lottery to some, but a necessity to shorten journey time; the signage on the gantry is few and too late esp before a turn-off/exit.
The majority of the drivers in The UK are not competent drivers on ordinary roads, and the motorway is a lottery to some, but a necessity to shorten journey time; the signage on the gantry is few and too late esp before a turn-off/exit.
Its nearly all about 5G AND DRIVERLESS VEHICLES-what could possible go wrong there??
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