Student disqualified from GCSE for criticising Halal Meat

Aug 18, 2019 -- 6:06PM, Charlie wrote:

The fcuking disgrace was overturned.

We know but how does this occur in the first place and why should a young lass be made to suffer for posting a valid generic opinion to be treat like that just because of a religion that's the fcuking disgrace.

So this was a muslim examiner?

Wouldn't know dt but they are doing their best to drum into these kids that any possible negativity that can be tied in no matter how disjointed the connectection to Islam is NOT ALLOWED control worthy of Islam itself.

Aug 18, 2019 -- 6:25PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

Wouldn't know dt but they are doing their best to drum into these kids that any possible negativity that can be tied in no matter how disjointed the connectection to Islam is NOT ALLOWED control worthy of Islam itself.

How do you come to that conclusion?

And so I know who are they?

I can't make any sense of it, unless it was a muslim examiner. But even in that case, someone above him agreed with him and disqualified the student. That is quite a big step to take. I would be suing the crap out of the board.

Either that, or we haven't been told enough about the case.

You can't possibly be disqualified because of your opinion in an exam.

Aug 18, 2019 -- 6:29PM, Charlie wrote:

And so I know who are they?

Who controls the schools the teachers and what is taught? come on Charlie you know better than that.

You can't possibly be disqualified because of your opinion in an exam.

That's a very good point which I'd not thought of.

Who controls the schools the teachers and what is taught? come on Charlie you know better than that.

The governement, OFSTED? Just tell me.

And we're talking about marking not teaching. There is a difference.

The government controls our schools any marking bodies are subsidiaries such as Ofqual who will operate under relevant government guidelines.

Just so I'm sure what you're saying the Tories are to blame for this?

Aug 18, 2019 -- 6:41PM, Charlie wrote:

Just so I'm sure what you're saying the Tories are to blame for this?

Your mind is on a par with Richie Burnett's the evolving culture of the country and how we are being groomed to behave is to blame imo.

Aug 18, 2019 -- 6:40PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

The government controls our schools any marking bodies are subsidiaries such as Ofqual who will operate under relevant government guidelines.

That is a logical conclusion from what you said. Please refute it.

I'll give you a start the Tories are the government.

detraveller • August 18, 2019 6:31 PM BST
I can't make any sense of it, unless it was a muslim examiner. But even in that case, someone above him agreed with him and disqualified the student. That is quite a big step to take. I would be suing the crap out of the board.

Either that, or we haven't been told enough about the case.

You can't possibly be disqualified because of your opinion in an exam.

Exactly.

I would imagine that you could say that islamic law is barbaric and that islamic countries mistreat women and that would be a valid opinion in a "religious studies" exam.  The story as reported seems quite bizarre.

I would imagine that you could say that islamic law is barbaric and that islamic countries mistreat women and that would be a valid opinion in a "religious studies" exam.

It would be a bizarre answer about halal meat.

Charlie you're talking in riddles if you want a political argument you've picked the wrong person I don't care I'm a right and wrong type whichever self serving shytebags are involved is neither here or there to me.

She was disqualified though.

That she was reinstated is not the point at all as it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

wrote during a Religious Studies exam in June that she found the idea of halal meat "absolutely disgusting".

That's it

Aug 18, 2019 -- 6:57PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

Charlie you're talking in riddles if you want a political argument you've picked the wrong person I don't care I'm a right and wrong type whichever self serving shytebags are involved is neither here or there to me.

Why do you believe I am talking in riddles? You said:

The government controls our schools any marking bodies are subsidiaries such as Ofqual who will operate under relevant government guidelines.

This is either a teaching issue or a marking issue. So it's the Tories either way. If it's not please give a reasoned argument. Or maybe it's not an issue at all.

Aug 18, 2019 -- 6:56PM, Charlie wrote:

I would imagine that you could say that islamic law is barbaric and that islamic countries mistreat women and that would be a valid opinion in a "religious studies" exam.It would be a bizarre answer about halal meat.

The point is that any opinion about religion is valid in a religious studies exam.  It may be not result in a pass for that particular section but couldn't possibly result in "disqualification" under any reasonable guidelines.

YOU CAN BE DISQUALIFIED FROM YOUR JOB BY BEING CRITICAL

hope this helps

It doesn't. As I answered above to dt I don't see how the student gets disqualified.

Sounds like the examiner is a white middle class belned that's gone into full Rs liking mode

I often wonder what on earth goes on in philosophy at uni these days.  When I was doing it almost anything was up for discussion/opinion - I wonder what it is like these days if a O level you get carp like this

It seems like you've completely missed the point of what we're discussing.

Shouldn’t put too much store in Charlie’s opinion on these matters

He stated elsewhere that the burning alive of women on a funeral pyre was suicide and ‘ probably ‘ should have been stopped

So anything Charlie says should be seen in that light

my bad, this is a reason for disqualification:

Including inappropriate, offensive or obscene material in exam papers

Not sure when that came in but Gove brought in a lot of cr4p, so I blame him.

Charlie in the wars again I see.

Ans throwing his usual tantrum.

Hooray Drippin with his usual post

Aug 18, 2019 -- 7:20PM, dave1357 wrote:

my bad, this is a reason for disqualification:Including inappropriate, offensive or obscene material in exam papersNot sure when that came in but Gove brought in a lot of cr4p, so I blame him.

I see. Being a vegetarian quite possible she went on a rant against animal cruelty not even related to the question asked. and attacked halal meat practice.

You made that disgusting statement regarding that barbaric practice Charlie, almost impossible to believe that anyone could have come out with something so sickening
So it throws some light on your attitude to other barbaric ‘ cultural ’ practise

You see when someone refuses to condemn the burning alive of women that makes me suspicious of their mindset and motives

I don’t know why

Well done lfc you have not added to the discussion. Very well played you and Drippin.

You can waffle all you like Charlie, no ones fooled

lfc if you want to start a thread about it then do so otherwise go away.

Just saying

I would have thought that has taught a lot of young people not to tangle with the book in future.
All part of the insidious nature of this issue. 
but we have the guardianistas queuing up to defend it.

And I'll repeat it again lfc you have added nothing to this discussion as normal. If you want to discuss things with me then start a thread and stop spoiling other threads. I doubt you have the balls though.

Charlie spitting blood again.

Drippin hooray he does amuse me

Job done.

Aug 18, 2019 -- 7:30PM, moisok wrote:

I would have thought that has taught a lot of young people not to tangle with the book in future.All part of the insidious nature of this issue.  but we have the guardianistas queuing up to defend it.

guardianistas
I had to Google that. Could you expand on your comment please.

Aug 18, 2019 -- 7:34PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

Job done.

Well done Drippin be proud of yourself

How anyone could have the gall to show their face never mind start to comment and even preach on any subject after the horrifying views expressed by Charlie I don’t know
When someone like that starts to preach or even offer an opinion something within me starts to laugh
And jeer

Shut up Charlie

lfc very well done. Have you added anything to this thread? Have you started a new thread?

there is a creeping agenda, a song sheet to be sung and stuck to.  How long this will be an agenda and not an instruction I have no idea.
Certainly the 'shifting demographic' will take it, but the timing ???

It's like winding up a clockwork toy.

Insert the key, twist it a few times, take out the key and watch him perform.

I'm glad I've attracted loonies but also sad that you can't have a discussion without them.

So we have Drippin, lfc, moisok all on the same thread at the same time. Brilliant.

They were your words , and your repugnant views , Charlie
I suggest you be quiet for a while and reflect on that fact

It just get's better. No one of them can add to the discussion.

It must be Drippin's turn to post.

He can't reflect on anything at the moment lfc - he's simply too worked up.

Or moisok. You surely can't let lfc do all the posting. Take it in turns please.

^See what |I mean.

Well done Drippin.

Come on moisok your turn.

Your tactics don't seem to be working. Do you have a plan B?

One goes away and they all go away. I wonder why.

I thought Mesut Ozil was a German national of Turkish descent ?
One learns something new every day

It sounds like in this round of Top Trumps that vegetarianism beats halal meat.

Us omnivores are just piggy in the middle

snort snort

FGM is a cultural thing, just like Halal meat. If you said something negative about FGM you would be considered a very moral person, but say something negative about Islam and you're castigated

both FGM and Halal are inhumane in my opinion, I don't care about any religion, I live by my own moral standards

Good grief!! 

That's for the thread no bloob

*not

Halal food is a major factor in introducing the process of Islamisation and we're making it easy for them.

tens of thousand of Brits consume it every week.

kenny mann • August 18, 2019 9:20 PM BST
tens of thousand of Brits consume it every week.

More than that , there's 5 million islams on this island already

kenny mann • August 18, 2019 9:20 PM BST
tens of thousand of Brits consume it every week.

More than that , there's 5 million islams on this island already

And a few more million eating it unknowingly.
Halal products should be clearly labelled as such.

yes Reynard, I meant white inidigenous Brits though.

And a few more million eating it unknowingly.
Halal products should be clearly labelled as such.

I didn't really mean that John.

Nandos is mainly non halal, but in places like Bradford it is. Many white Brtits eat there, plus many other restaurants, and as long as the halal tastes nice, they're not concerned.

Example, about a year ago I went in Nandos Bradford just to check that it was halal, which it was.

I approached 2 white couples who turned out to be English, and said, I've heard the meat is halal here, don't think I'll eat here. One couple thanked me and said we won't be back, the other said so...

The halal notice in Nandos is very small.

Not just Bradford, Leeds, Huddersfield etc, and no doubt many other citys like Birningham, white Brits consuming halal, which is part of their plan.

I'll just have to settle for somewhat cruel treatment of animals for the food I eat and not very cruel then

Where are the animal rights activists

GOOD POINT DO WAH DIDDY

Very good point do wah

And it’s all part of the leftist liberal deception , there should be no halal slaughter in any civilised society but they are strangely quiet on this point and the police they prefer to wrap themselves up in rainbow flags and practice their twerking

white Brits consuming halal, which is part of their plan

Some of these plans these muslims make are really impressive. No joke.

The Leicester mob have taken some DNA off Richard III, they plan to reinstate the Plantagenet line, mixed with their own.

Aug 19, 2019 -- 8:07AM, Do wah Diddy wrote:

GOOD POINT DO WAH DIDDY

It was a very good point they're more interested in harrassing owners of animals that cost 20K+ a year to keep who get treat better than most humans.

And it’s all part of the leftist liberal deception , there should be no halal slaughter in any civilised society but they are strangely quiet on this point and the police they prefer to wrap themselves up in rainbow flags and practice their twerking

As is this seems quite obvious to most the reality is they're trying to normalise the eating of Halal without the unsuspecting public knowing anything about it they just see what's on their plate.

All animals should be killed humanely, we owe them that.

Surely any Halal rituals can be carried out after the animal is dead...in fact our government should insist on it...

I would not be bothered by eating Halal meat, but if the animal's death has been prolonged by the halal method of slaughter,

I would not want to eat it

The animal to be slaughtered must be from the categories that are permitted for Muslims to eat.
The animal must be alive at the time of slaughter.
The animal must be slaughtered by the use of a sharp knife. The knife must not kill due to its weight. If it kills due to the impact the meat may not be permissible.
The slaughtering must be done in one stroke without lifting the knife. The knife should not be placed and lifted when slaughtering the animal.
Slaughtering must be done by a sane adult Muslim. Animals slaughtered by a Non Muslim will not be Halal.
The name of Allah must be invoked (mentioned) at the time of slaughtering by saying: Bismillah Allahu Akbar. (In the Name of Allah; Allah is the Greatest.)
If at the time of slaughtering the name of anyone else other than Allah is invoked (i.e. animal sacrificed for him/her), then the meat becomes Haram “unlawful.”
If a Muslim forgets to invoke the name of Allah at the time of slaughtering, the meat will remain Halal. However, if he intentionally does not invoke the name of Allah, the meat becomes Haram.
The head of the animal must not be cut off during slaughtering but later after the animal is completely dead, even the knife should not go deep into the spinal cord.
Skinning or cutting any part of the animal is not allowed before the animal is completely dead.
Slaughtering must be made in the neck from the front (chest) to the back.
The slaughtering must be done manually not by a machine, as one of the conditions is the intention, which is not found in a machine.
The slaughtering should not be done on a production line where pigs are slaughtered. Any instrument used for slaughtering pigs should not be used in the Halal slaughtering.



Slaughtering must be done by a sane adult Muslim. Think they put this rule in for humour purposes

So it is actually a sacrifice

Aug 19, 2019 -- 2:12PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

Aug 19, 2019 --  8:07AM, Do wah Diddy wrote:GOOD POINT DO WAH DIDDYIt was a very good point they're more interested in harrassing owners of animals that cost 20K+ a year to keep who get treat better than most humans.And it’s all part of the leftist liberal deception , there should be no halal slaughter in any civilised society but they are strangely quiet on this point and the police they prefer to wrap themselves up in rainbow flags and practice their twerkingAs is this seems quite obvious to most the reality is they're trying to normalise the eating of Halal without the unsuspecting public knowing anything about it they just see what's on their plate.

do you make any attempt to research before posting your nonsense?

https://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/slaughter

https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2019/02/animal-welfare-advocates-ask-government-to-end-non-stun-slaughter/

I wonder if that applies to the hygiene associated too eg transportation. Has anyone witnessed the transportation of meat to grocery outlets/butchers? I have,..the stench is overpowering, sickly and horrendous. I do not think the meat has been transported in a refrigerated vehicle.

I only eat meat very occasionally except chicken nevertheless, I'd not buy any halal meat from anywhere but a supermarket or a butcher I know after what I've witnessed.

Aug 19, 2019 -- 2:26PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:

All animals should be killed humanely, we owe them that.Surely any Halal rituals can be carried out after the animal is dead...in fact our government should insist on it...

This is exactly how it is in Europe. You stun and then you do with the animal what you please.

The question is how strictly this is enforced. Jews don't stun, or else it ain't kosher. Muslims do the same. But only when they have control over the slaughter. if it says halal on a packaging, you don't know if the animal was stunned or not. Legally, it should have been stunned, in most of Europe I would say.

Halal slaughter is one of those topics where people love to whine about how barbaric this Islamic practice is but don't bother asking why the law of the land isn't enforced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeNJHw4MoT4

Does anyone know why these animals act like this?

dave those campaigns and their info is hardly front page news,if there was any REAL drive to end this barbaric practice it'd be all over the TV and social media and we all know why it isn't.

I am sure people know why it isn't enforced.  For instance there are 900 elves with their ear to the phone waiting for a naughty word to be acted on.

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Aug 19, 2019 -- 3:03PM, detraveller wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeNJHw4MoT4Does anyone know why these animals act like this?

It's called "Tonic Immobility"
Lots of animals have reactions like that.
When you scruff a cat it goes into a relaxed trance-like state.
Chickens can be made to lie still with their head flat to the ground
if you draw a line in chalk rapidly moving away from them.
Doves are popular with magicians cos of the same response.
Sharks do it if you tickle their noses - good luck practicing that one.

Chicken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZZ95L2n7o

Birds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozUjZUIJ5lg

Sharks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q3sPv9BZd0

And just for good measure cos I know you hate stupid YouTube videos:-

Plasma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCrtk-pyP0I

thanks

I Agree that was a very good point you brought up Do wah diddy

Do wah diddy that very good  point you made ,made me think yes where are the animal welfareists

Do wah diddy if you did to that to a live animal you would be put in jail even if you had washed your hands and your finger nails were clean

Laurence of Arabia knew what he was talking about when he highlighted that they don't use toilet paper

No wonder them so called toilets in their countries don't smell nice

You can't tell me them people wash their hands before they end the animals life .
I alway checked that their hands were clean before I let them come near me to steal my holiday money