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tobermory
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Police are investigating after Labour activist Owen Jones was "kicked in the head" by a group of men outside a pub. The Guardian columnist said he had been celebrating his birthday with friends when the men made a "direct beeline" for him in the early hours of Saturday.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said an attack on a journalist was "an attack on free speech and our fundamental values".

The Met said it was working to establish the "full circumstances".

Mr Jones told the BBC he had spent Friday night with his partner and some friends at the Lexington pub on Pentonville Road, Islington. The six of them left the pub at about 02:00 BST on Saturday. As they were saying goodbye to each other, a group of "three or four" men made a "direct beeline" for Mr Jones. Mr Jones claimed it was a "premeditated" move by "far right" activists.

"[They] marched over, kicked me in the back, threw me on the floor... and then kicked me in the head," he said. Mr Jones said his friends were also punched in the head as they tried to stop the "frenzied" attack on him - and that there was "no question" the men were "specifically" targeting him.

In response to the incident, Mr Corbyn tweeted: "Owen believes it was politically motivated, and we know the far right is on the march in our country. "An attack on a journalist is an attack on free speech and our fundamental values."

A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police confirmed it had spoken to witnesses and would review CCTV footage. No arrests have been made and the investigation continues.
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Report akabula August 29, 2019 5:42 PM BST
Three men, aged between 29 and 39, were arrested on "suspicion of violent disorder and assault occasioning actual bodily harm", the Met Police said.

And yet none of the 'injured' required any treatment.
Report HGS August 29, 2019 6:20 PM BST
Time will tell.
Report 1st time poster August 29, 2019 7:02 PM BST
right wing nut jobs gutted,probably decide if they going to get locked up for random attacks ,they might as well scar someone for life in the process , no fan of jones but at least he doesn't guard himself with stone thugs like man of the people farage,instigated charges for getting his suit milkshaked didn't he
someone might ask why man of the people needs security guards to shield himself from the people Laugh
Report akabula August 29, 2019 7:08 PM BST
I think you are a fan.
Report casemoney August 29, 2019 9:52 PM BST
Shocked
9-4  Right Wing Thugs/or Pished up rsoles 
3-1  The Wiggy C0ck Mob /or other Homosexuals
3-1  Chaps of the Book
4-1  Two Nigerian Gents from the USA and a Bloke called Smollet.
10   bar

ANY BETS ???
Report tobermory August 30, 2019 2:31 PM BST
Owen-

“All the far right activists spamming me claiming I faked an attack against me and my friends who defended me. So one of two things will happen. Either me and my friends will be charged with perverting the course of justice, or you’ll all be humiliated. We’ll soon find out!”
Report tobermory August 30, 2019 2:47 PM BST
Owen is spinning that imo. The doubts are not about whether someone assaulted him, but rather that there was a political motivation. So he says everyone is gonna be humiliated because the police are satisfied there was an assault.

The arrests for 'suspicion of violent disorder and assault occasioning actual bodily harm' don't seem to indicate a 'hate crime' case.
Report akabula August 30, 2019 8:38 PM BST
OJ will always make out that any attack on him, verbal or physical, is either because of his politics or is homophobic.
What he won't accept is the possibility that it is purely because of the petted lip spoiled child image he has.
Report casemoney August 30, 2019 8:47 PM BST
If the attackers have Wigs on it might throw things Grin
Report dambuster August 30, 2019 9:48 PM BST
If the attackers were from another religion, then it may take a long time to find them and find them guilty, we don't want to upset some members of the community
Report Dr Crippen August 30, 2019 11:04 PM BST
Fancy bothering the police over something as trivial as that, he only had his little botty smacked.

He sounds like a bit of a prima donna to me.
Report casemoney September 29, 2019 11:00 PM BST
Taking a bit of Time these Charges ?? Plenty off CCTV , not a dickie for weeks Shocked
Report tobermory September 30, 2019 12:04 AM BST
Plain
Report casemoney September 30, 2019 2:17 AM BST
Dickie was for  Dickie Bird (word) Just incase there is any confusion Happy
Report lybertyne September 30, 2019 12:47 PM BST
There don't appear to be any images of his injuries.  If I had the chance of a one-on-one with Owen Jones I'd rearrange his face and have him eating through a straw.
Report Ramruma October 10, 2019 6:52 PM BST
Three men charged.

Three men have been charged after Labour activist Owen Jones was assaulted outside a north London pub.

The Guardian columnist said he had been celebrating his birthday with friends at the Lexington pub, Islington, when he was attacked on 17 August.

The men from Portsmouth, London and Brighton have been charged, by post, with actual bodily harm and affray, the Metropolitan Police said.

They will appear at Highbury Corner Magistrates Court on 6 November.

The charged men are:

James Healy, 39, of Laburnum Grove, Portsmouth
Liam Tracey, 34, of Boswell Street, Camden
Charlie Ambrose, 29, of Borough Street, Brighton


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50004794
Report tobermory October 10, 2019 9:46 PM BST
hmmmm

I'd expect far right thugs would need to be rounded up by an elite police unit, not sent a letter politely asking them to come to court.

A minor, non political charge, no mention of hate crimes,no remand, this is not sounding as originally advertised.
Report Crisp77 October 10, 2019 9:55 PM BST
They always send the charges by post for a stamping incident Cry
Report moisok October 10, 2019 10:01 PM BST
It is such a disappointment that more is not being made of this. Especially the right wing thug v LGBT etc.  If we can exaggerate this - blow it out of all proportion and get dear owen into the limelight (again) it will only mean greater protection for people like me.
WE WILL BE UNTOUCHABLE - and be able to say whatever we like

BRING ON THE EXTINCTION thingy - I feel a money winner and new career coming on for ME!!
Report thegiggilo October 11, 2019 12:18 AM BST
But, but, he made it up how dare he make us look like fools,what a load of donuts..!
Report casemoney October 11, 2019 12:19 AM BST
Any pictures of the Offenders  I fully Expect to see Wigs  and Make up involved ...
Report flushgordon1 October 11, 2019 8:42 AM BST
Much flouncing about nothing.
Report saddo October 11, 2019 8:45 AM BST
He is so repellent that it's a wonder he doesn't get punched more often.
Report sageform October 11, 2019 10:53 AM BST
I had to use Wikepedia to find out who he was. Still no excuse for violence. Just tear up his articles and burn them in public.
Report 1st time poster November 6, 2019 1:43 PM GMT
another non story according to the tory right loons on here ends up with 3 going to the crown court because judge regards it as to serious for magistrates court,
andy Coulson feel the 3 mens pain, LaughLaughLaugh
Report casemoney November 6, 2019 2:18 PM GMT
Any names provided for the Guys who attacked Iron Man ??
Report 1st time poster November 6, 2019 2:21 PM GMT
yeh one from London,one from Portsmouth and one from brighton

you,d think the brighton lad would have more empethay Laugh
Report casemoney November 6, 2019 2:35 PM GMT
Well it appears to have been a Scuffle with thankfully  no Serious injuries or Hospitals involved ??

The question needs to be asked why has this ended up in Crown Court , There must a thousand Punch Ups UK Wide

on a Saturday Night ,Mostly Broken up and people sent on their way .. Shocked
Report 1st time poster November 6, 2019 2:39 PM GMT
premediatated homophobic hate crime,isnt your everyday pub punch up
Report moisok November 6, 2019 2:47 PM GMT
It is not nice to be the focus of a hate filled group of homophobic thugs. I know.
Will be an interesting case when all the 'facts' come to light.
Report casemoney November 6, 2019 3:05 PM GMT
A very dangerous Premeditated attack , Wonder how much planning was Involved to carry out this Vicious attack

Think Owen end up with a couple of small  Grazes on his back ,was it him they were after ??

Bit of Milkshaking or a Few eggs would have been the way to go ... Same crime  less time ??
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 21, 2019 7:35 PM GMT
The likable chap is trending on twitter
Report tobermory December 21, 2019 7:39 PM GMT
Guardian columnist Owen Jones has thanked people for their support after an online campaign of "pure abuse and hatred" against him.

An offensive hashtag about the journalist began trending on Twitter on Saturday morning, with people using the trend to level a tirade of abuse at him.

But Twitter users quickly began speaking out against the hashtag, with one describing it as an example of "pure abuse and hatred".

Several also asked Twitter why it had allowed such a hashtag to exist.

The alternative hashtag #SolidarityWithOwenJonesDay soon began gathering momentum as people jumped to the journalist's defence.
Report tobermory December 21, 2019 7:42 PM GMT
He then shared a tweet which called for the abuse to stop, adding: "Bless you lot.

"I might look like I've walked off the set of Home Alone, but if I can survive fascists chasing after me on the streets, I can get through a hashtag set up by alt right weirdos who need their hard drives checking."
Report tobermory December 21, 2019 7:49 PM GMT
on the incident outside the pub the latest was...

Three men have - James Healy, 39, from Portsmouth, Liam Tracey, 34, from Camden, and Charlie Ambrose, 29, from Brighton - all pleaded guilty to affray.

Healy admitted a further charge of assault occasioning actual bodily harm. He denies the attack was motivated by homophobia and will now face a trial of issue in front of a judge to decide whether that was the case.
Report 1st time poster January 16, 2020 7:48 PM GMT
one of defendents in dock when his home was searched had a photo of him doing a Nazi salute, had white supremacist badges,britan 1st,combat 18 etc,etc,
his brief says their not connected to his assault on jones Laughm
Report tobermory January 17, 2020 4:44 PM GMT
Not sure this guy is going the best route with his defence

James Healy's barrister, Matthew Radstone, said: 'He accepts he did target him, he accepts his face was crunched up, he accepts using the word f***. 'It is an assault he has pleaded to and a frenzied one at that.'

But the lawyer said prosecutors rely on the opinion of witnesses and items of memorabilia and insignia found in Healy's home, arguing there is no evidence his client was motivated by homophobia or the victim's political views. 'That memorabilia is consistent with Mr Healy being a Chelsea football supporter and part of the Chelsea football supporters' group, who express themselves with memorabilia and behaviour of the type of insignia in that manner the flags perhaps suggest,' he said.

If the judge, Recorder Anne Studd QC, finds the assault was politically motivated she could still consider it an aggravating factor, although it is not defined as such in law. The judge added that there is no jury and that she was sitting alone considering the factual basis.

'I cannot see any reason for this evidence to be erased from my mind, either the witness evidence or in relation to the items found at his home address. 'It is properly admissible for the purposes of sentence and capable of assisting the judge in determining motive. 'It will be for me to decide the weight of that material. It may be having heard the evidence that I decide [it] was motivated purely by what the incident in the public house earlier. 'The evidence of the witnesses and the finding of memorabilia in his house will enable me to reach those conclusions and any the inferences I can safely draw.

'It would be wrong to exclude those parts of the evidence.'
Report tobermory January 17, 2020 4:46 PM GMT
Owen on the witness stand today..


Mr Jones said: "I'm an unapologetic socialist, I'm an anti-racist, I'm an anti-fascist and I've consistently used my profile to advocate left-wing causes." Mr Jones has almost one million Twitter followers, 125,000 followers on Instagram and 350,000 followers on Facebook.

"What I use these platforms for is to advocate left-wing ideas and a passion and unwavering commitment to opposing racism, fascism, Islamophobia and homophobia," he told the court. "Almost every single day I am the subject of an unrelenting campaign [of abuse] by far-right sympathisers. "They've come to see me as this hate figure in their ranks."

Mr Jones said he received death threats on a daily basis, adding: "It's the combination of being left-wing, gay, anti-fascist - that's everything the far right hate."

Describing the evening of the attack, Mr Jones said: "My recollection is that I was saying goodbye to a friend and then I was on the floor completely disoriented.

"In those 10 seconds, I don't really remember what happened because I was attacked from behind, I had no sense of what was going to happen."

When asked about the claim he had knocked Mr Healy's drink, he said: "That absolutely did not happen. "If I thought I had accidentally spilled someone's drink, I would apologise profusely, I would say, 'I'm so sorry' and I would insist - whether they liked it or not - on buying them another drink."
Report 1st time poster January 17, 2020 4:52 PM GMT
sounds as thick as the man city fan caught on tv making monkey chants,saying he wasn't,
these briefs defending these loons without breaking out laughing are in the wrong game should be in hollywood
Report Crisp77 January 17, 2020 4:54 PM GMT
Not the kind of Chelsea Boots Owen wanted for his birthday Sad
Report 1st time poster January 17, 2020 6:26 PM GMT
healy found guilty of aggravated assault due to his views of people on left and homophobic views, sentenced in 3 weeks time
Report tobermory January 17, 2020 6:31 PM GMT
Anne Studd QC, the presiding judge, concluded at the end of the hearing that Jones was victim of a “wholly unprovoked assault” outside a central London pub last August because of “his LGBT and his leftwing beliefs”. The defendant, James Healy, 40, had “far-right” views, Studd added.

Healy had already pleaded guilty to assaulting Jones last August outside the Lexington pub in King’s Cross, north London, at about 2am. But he was on trial to determine whether his actions were motivated by homophobia or hostility to Jones’s leftwing political views.

Healy is one of three men who have admitted being involved in the violent incident. Healy and Liam Tracey, 34, both from Camden, north London, and Charlie Ambrose, 29, from Brighton, all pleaded guilty to affray last month. Healy also admitted a further charge of assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

The judge said that she rejected the defendant’s account of events in the early hours of 17 August in which he had claimed he had “got the hump” because Jones had bumped into him and spilled some of his drink at around 1.30am. Studying CCTV from the pub she said Healy had not appeared to remonstrate with him at the time. Additional CCTV footage taken shortly after 2am showed Healy leaving shortly after Jones, and running after him just has he was leaving the vicinity, attacking him from behind and appearing to knock him to the ground before a general skirmish ensued.

Studd said that Healy made no attempt to speak to Jones and engaged in a “brutal assault that was clearly targeted” - and that the video contradicted Healy’s claim, given in a witness statement to police, that he had acted in self defence throughout. The judge accepted Jones’s account of events, which was that when he was in the pub, he was greeted by either Healy or individuals next to him, and so identifying him as the man who went on to attack him half an hour later. “I am satisfied this was as targeted attack on Mr Jones because of who he is and his beliefs” the judge concluded.

Sentencing for all three men is due to take place next month at the earliest.
Report Dr Crippen January 17, 2020 6:36 PM GMT
I don't think Owen is doing himself any good here - a proper bloke would have simply walked away and at the most merely mentioned it in his column. 
Taking people to court is simply bringing his paper and the rest of the the far-left of whom he represents into the public eye for the wrong reasons.
Report 1st time poster January 17, 2020 6:50 PM GMT
FFS CRIPPEN you seriously don't believe a word of the shoite you,ve just written
you may as well remove assault off the charge sheet
it was a homophobic hate crime,probably 200 blokes in the pub that night he could have assaulted but singled one out, wonder why
Report Dr Crippen January 17, 2020 6:58 PM GMT
but singled one out, wonder why

Because he's a berk!
Report 1st time poster January 17, 2020 7:16 PM GMT
that will do so it was a premeditated targeted attack,which the judge agreed with
Report Dr Crippen January 17, 2020 7:24 PM GMT
If someone caught my back and scratched it with their hand I wouldn't go running to the police.

They wouldn't bother investigating it anyway, it's only because there's one law for the rich like Owen and another for decent ordinary people that it's gone to court.

He's taking advantage of his position in the public eye for the sake of the publicity.

And highlighting the difference of how people of his standing are protected by the law, and the rest of us can go and get lost.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip January 17, 2020 9:26 PM GMT
Justice done. Well done to the judge who saw through the accused’s defence that he was an indiscriminate f*cker who could have battered anyone that night. Well done to Jones who managed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was uniquely more punchable than anyone else in the pub that night. DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED? YOURE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID
Report jollyswagman January 17, 2020 10:25 PM GMT
some very bad calls on this thread but it doesnt matter this is chit chat Cry
Report casemoney January 17, 2020 10:47 PM GMT
Yes dreadful Calls  3 heavy National front Chelsea Thugs Premeditated attack,Owen Joan ends up with a slight graze on his back Laugh Who was with him Tyson Furey and Anthony Joshua Laugh
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 17, 2020 10:49 PM GMT
To be fair doc thought it was all staged a couple of months ago. To go from there to the "it's the victim's fault for making a meal of it" is quite the journey and taxing on the tiny-minded.
Report jollyswagman January 17, 2020 11:01 PM GMT
case, these heavies werent even brave enough to attack him from the front, they had to sneek up to him unseen. you called this wrong, just because he has views you dont like he doesnt deserve to be attacked. so now you are have gone from doubting it happened to laughing at its severity....
Report Dr Crippen January 17, 2020 11:08 PM GMT
Speaking of tiny-minded Porky. I'm glad to see that I'm still getting under your skin.
Report Dr Crippen January 17, 2020 11:10 PM GMT
It looks like jollyswagman has got his arse in his hand as well.

Why they feel the need to defend Owen Jones so vigorously speaks for itself.
Report casemoney January 17, 2020 11:12 PM GMT
Swag I could not give a flying about the Bloke he is an annoying tw@t it does not mean I want him attacked , But when he went on twitter 30 mins after it happened and stated he was attacked by 3/4 men and had a graze on his back ,It sounded like a load of shyte TBH , An 80 year old woman with a handbag would have done more damage ,I have nothing against Gay People , It is the Civ lib Mob he is partof that  get up my nose , Thankfully they were all put firmly in their Place in December , Let him and his Likes twitter away , No one is listening anymore ,we have heard enough shyte from them thank foook Steptoe and his mob
have been destroyed ,lord only knows where we would have ended up .
Report Dr Crippen January 17, 2020 11:14 PM GMT
Owen Jones is a big baby who craves attention.
Report blackbarn January 17, 2020 11:14 PM GMT
Crippen's prejudice has got the better of him here. He's forgotten that Owen Jones is the victim.
Report jollyswagman January 17, 2020 11:19 PM GMT
case that is a very poor attempt to defend your posts on this thread. the election and labour party are irrelevant, you were very quick to doubt jones account of what happened. you had no evidence, no facts to back up your case but you continued regardless. the outcome of the case is that, basically, what he said is correct. some 'hardmen' tw@ts who werent even brave enough to have a go at him face to face attacked him, and from behind.

he was beaten up by far right thugs, do you accept this?
Report jollyswagman January 17, 2020 11:21 PM GMT
blackbarn, crippen is a low grade troll, no more no less. when you realise this it is easy to just ignore anything he says.

fyi, he cannot even count to four.
Report casemoney January 17, 2020 11:26 PM GMT
I could not give a Flying who attacked him , if they are Far Right so be it ,as you stated Tw@ts regardless  ,I actually though it was a gay on gay attack ,So I was wrong, Cest La Vie , No damage done Move on, I am sure the Perps will be sentenced
Accordingly  ...
Report casemoney January 17, 2020 11:32 PM GMT
Perhaps the Team of D1cks involved could be moved on to the Sex cases that have been going on Nationwide , they seem to have done a good Job on this case ,But hang About "Joans" is a Gay  agenda Luvvie ,we cannot have anything Happening to them ?

Young white working class Girls are a Fair Target , it seems , certainly decades of non investigation there ...

I suggest we set up a Met team to investigate Nationwide ....
Report jollyswagman January 17, 2020 11:35 PM GMT
what made you think it was gay on gay, as you put it, when there was no such evidence?

let's face it case, his twatability was enough for you.

maybe you should have just followed the evidence, which in this case led to convictions.

at least you are prepared to defend your position, daft as it is, i dont see any of the other cognoscenti even trying....
Report akabula January 17, 2020 11:36 PM GMT
Didn't realise Jones had so many fans on here.
Report blackbarn January 17, 2020 11:38 PM GMT
Always on the side of the victim, once proven, Aka. You?
Report jollyswagman January 17, 2020 11:41 PM GMT
ffs an attack on him is of no relevance to the other cases you mention, it isnt his fault other cases havent been investigated.

a poor attempt at deflection.

as too from akabula, to no surprise.
Report casemoney January 17, 2020 11:43 PM GMT
He gad a scratch on his back Blackbarn ,You or I , a fine and bound over  at a Magistrates , "Joans"  How much is all this Costing the Tax payer ??
People have the absolute Shyte kicked out them kicking out time  Most friday nights For what ever reason , Not many of the cases end up in crown Court Laugh
Report casemoney January 17, 2020 11:46 PM GMT
Lets hope your Tax Contribution is Going towards the Case Jolly ,it would certainly add to your Delight ...
Report blackbarn January 17, 2020 11:52 PM GMT
casemoney - I cannot believe that you are still posting on this thread in this vein on this subject. I read it all very carefully before posting.

Have you read your previous postings on this subject. I'd be embarrassed, but whatever...........
Report jollyswagman January 17, 2020 11:56 PM GMT
i have zero delight in forumites jumping to conclusions and then refusing to back down when their conclusions are proven to be wrong. on this thread your comments are those of someone with 'delight' not mine, and your comments have been found to be 100% wrong.

a judge concluded that he was beaten up because of who he is, namely his left wing and lgbt views. you were wrong, it was a wholly unprovoked assault carried out by  man with extreme views. that you cannot just accept this says something about you but absolutely nothing about me. attempts to link this case to other, completely unrelated cases, just show how desperate you are.
Report casemoney January 17, 2020 11:56 PM GMT
Could you answer my Question , as to How hundreds of people are attacked , Post PUB/CLUB weekly , and most of the cases do not end up in criminal proceedings , people who have had their backed scratched in a scuffle would certainly be among those Laugh
Report jollyswagman January 17, 2020 11:59 PM GMT
your question is just a pathetic attempt to avoid the subject of the thread, you were keen to express doubt in the immediate aftermath of the unprovoked attack.

.
Report casemoney January 18, 2020 12:00 AM GMT
You answered it " left wing and lgbt views " so if you do not hold them views its OK to be attacked for what ever reason ?

Because that is what Happens ,some poor fookers get the shyte kicked out of them for no reason , Thats ok is it ?
Report casemoney January 18, 2020 12:07 AM GMT
The old cards are Played and the full Attention of the law is required , All seems a little Biased to me ,of course I may be wrong , it would not be first time on this thread Grin
Report jollyswagman January 18, 2020 12:09 AM GMT
this is desperate stuff case, you are now in a terrible sate of denial, attributing views to me which i have not stated. left wing and lgbt views are what the judge said, fairly obviously i havent said it is ok to attack people who do not hold such views.

basically the thread is about a man being attacked because he is a 'leftie and a gay'. at the start of the thread did you doubt if the attack happened or if it was motivated by these factors? obviously the answer is yes. and how did the court case go? well, erm, the judge found that the attack was motivated by these factors so you were 100% wrong.
Report blackbarn January 18, 2020 12:11 AM GMT
casemoney - before I answer your question to the extent of my ability.  Have you read all your previous posts on this thread on this subject? and do you stand by your comments. I am happy to take retractions on the silliest bits ahead of replying if it helps.
Report blackbarn January 18, 2020 12:14 AM GMT
I will refrain whilst jollyswagman has the floor.
Report casemoney January 18, 2020 12:23 AM GMT
I have no Notion to read back through the Thread perhaps you cab Copy and paste them all for me so as I can quickly Read through them ..

The question I asked has been answered by Jolly , the fact is that a Gay Luvvie Ended up with scratches on his back after
a late night Post Pub scuffle ,Houses have been raided LaughThe full force of the Law has come into play .

Other Gay people suffer attacks alot worse than Mr Joans , HOMOPHOBIC ATTACKS , many  go unreported , or they do not get investigated ... WHY ??? and if you doubt what I am saying do not ,some shocking statistics Sad
Report casemoney January 18, 2020 12:30 AM GMT
In answer to Jolly , yes I thought it was a Load of old Cobblers , and read it wrong .
Report jollyswagman January 18, 2020 12:34 AM GMT
case i like you but that is just deflection, you were keen to doubt it was a homophobic attack, maybe you even doubted there was an attack. the fact that other homophobic attacks dont get investigated is irrelevant to this thread.

jones was attacked because of who and what he is, he didnt deserve it. attempts to deny or minimise this are just wrong.



thank you, i have just got your last post as i was writing this one Happy
Report casemoney January 18, 2020 12:47 AM GMT
Its an awful shame that some  deaths of gay men are not investigated the Same as the Joans scratches ATTACK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Port

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ireland

Sad

Men  Missing, found dead on the street ,nothing done ,not even investigated , WHY ??

What is so special about our Friend Owen ?? and a few scratches ??
Report tobermory January 18, 2020 12:52 AM GMT
tbh I doubted Owen. But it appears this Healy guy is basically the identikit far right thug.

Though Case is not necessarily wrong in thinking it might be 'pink on pink'.

I always assume Combat 18 types are repressed gays, unless strong evidence to the contrary. Attacking a gay guy is not evidence to the contrary, rather a 'he doth protest too much' attempt to prove manliness. The leaders of these sort of groups usually come out of the closet eventually.

Far Right + Gay goes back at least as far as Ernst Rohm.
Report jollyswagman January 18, 2020 12:53 AM GMT
port was ringing up the old bill not long after he had killed them, a terrible failure of the met to stop him earlier than when he was caught.

however, i am back at the ffs comment, the thread is about a particular person being bashed up for no reason other than his being a leftie and gay, something you were keen to minimise/deny.

all cases should be investigated, if other cases are not investigated that is not jones fault, more deflection case Cry
Report tobermory January 18, 2020 12:56 AM GMT
I saw a documentary about the Stephen Port case. Absolutely mindblowing. Recommended viewing for anyone who thinks that Met detectives are the smart guys who can solve stuff that Portuguese cops can't.

The case was basically solved  by the relatives of the victims Crazy
Report jollyswagman January 18, 2020 1:00 AM GMT
but your comments were fairly balanced tobermory unlike case's.

however, you are now losing me, as far as i am aware there is zero evidence of it being pink on pink, the judge found it to be case of a homophobic / political attack. unless you have evidence of the attacker being a repressed gay your comments are just guesswork unlike the views of the judge....

the port case was astounding, him ringing 999 after 'finding' the bodies not far from where he lived.
Report tobermory January 18, 2020 1:11 AM GMT
I mean these ultra far right characters often turn out to be gay. Attacking another gay is often a way of 'proving themselves'.

Nicky Crane was the ultimate far right skinhead 'hero' but was secretly gay...........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25142557

^
Interesting read if you have 10 minutes.

Martin Webster, a National Front leader, another one.
Report akabula January 18, 2020 3:17 AM GMT
blackbarn
Always on the side of the victim, once proven, Aka. You?


Why have you singled me out to ask this question?
If, as I suppose it is in response to my post I spoke of 'fans' and nothing else.

Jones always looking to play the victim with any attacks whether physical or verbal immediately blamed on homophobia.
Most people don't like him because he comes across as a spoilt child whenever he is losing an argument.
Report akabula January 18, 2020 3:26 AM GMT
There have been other 'high profile' assaults on individuals which have never got to court.
Tommy Robinson is a case in point and he was assaulted in front of the police.
Both cases seemed politically motivated assaults but neither was seriously hurt.
Why did one go to court and not the other? Both victims.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet January 18, 2020 6:32 AM GMT
When proven wrong, resort to whataboutery.
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2020 10:02 AM GMT
jollyswagman
17 Jan 20 23:21

blackbarn, crippen is a low grade troll, no more no less. when you realise this it is easy to just ignore anything he says.

fyi, he cannot even count to four.


I did say that jollyswigger had got his arse in his hand last night. It's a shame he can't exercise a bit of self control when he sees red.
Report 1st time poster January 18, 2020 11:02 AM GMT
i,m your average joe,60 now ,done the football casuals thing,drinking clubs,gigs etc,done the casual racism thing,voted to leave the EU,was on a 2 week shutdown over xmas in cabin with 6 lads ive known over the years all over 45,toconfirm what paul mason  labour campaigner said about the stuff he heard knocking at doors you couldn't print or repeat, after 2/3 days I could no longer sit in the cabin with them 10 hours of pure filth, overt racism ,you couldn't change the subject every thing went back to anti immigrant,anti muslim rhetoric, tommy robinson is a national hero even how they had to get their kids to vote Brexit,party,tory,hard right wing is now mainstream genie wont go back in the bottle, one of them disgusted because he was called to school because his 9 yr old son told someone your a smelly paki go home
Report 1st time poster January 18, 2020 11:05 AM GMT
and the big difference nowadays is that 5 yrs ago I,d have had my say,said I disagreed with a lot of what they were saying,but not today best to keep quiet and sit outside and let them spew it out ,their not interested in listening ,discussing the subjects
Report Dr Crippen January 18, 2020 11:25 AM GMT
Sounds like your mates are fed up with hearing about certain child grooming gangs getting away with it 1tp, while the authorities turn a blind eye because of who they are.
Report moisok January 18, 2020 12:44 PM GMT
It is interesting which cases the police and cps pursue rigorously and certain other diaspora appear to be ignored.
Report Crisp77 January 18, 2020 12:46 PM GMT
It bad that when you get beaten up that there are 5 or 6 reasons why it could have happened.
Report casemoney January 18, 2020 1:12 PM GMT
Yes my exact reason for bringing up other Cases , why so much Time and Effort by the Police ,because some geezer has his Back scratched in a scuffle ?

As for Port quite unbelieveable ,two of the bodies  found on different days in a grave yard by the same woman walking her dog Shocked

Another bloke dead outside the Killers block of flats Plain

These must have been different type of Gays to Mr Joans ??
Report Ramruma January 18, 2020 3:16 PM GMT
@casemoney --  why so much Time and Effort by the Police ,because some geezer has his Back scratched in a scuffle ?

What time and effort? Watching cctv to confirm what OJ said happened did happen?
Report Ramruma January 18, 2020 3:19 PM GMT
@casemoney is right about the Barking murders though, as are others about the northern girls abused en masse, but that has nothing to do with this case.
Report casemoney January 18, 2020 3:55 PM GMT
Houses were raided as well Ram , little bit more than CCTV  involved , how often do the participants in an after Pub Fight have their houses raided ?? Was Ben Stokes  house raided ??

Joans has pulled every card he could ...
Report casemoney January 18, 2020 3:56 PM GMT
When the Injury involves a Grazed back Laugh
Report akabula January 18, 2020 6:46 PM GMT
Yes you are Richie as you constantly prove on here..
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