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By:
Charlie
When: 15 Aug 19 16:30
I did O Levels 1968 and would say they were tough.
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Aug 19 16:31
wasn't going then
By:
detraveller
When: 15 Aug 19 16:32
yes im aware of different boards I would say the cambridge board exams would be available for way back in the 60s or 70s.
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Aug 19 16:34
If you consider A Levels to be a joke the equivalent BTec 'vocational qualifications' are worse. You would have to not turn up for most of the course not to pass. Even then there are ways to pass.
By:
detraveller
When: 15 Aug 19 16:38
Cambridge 2002:https://pmt.physicsandmathstutor.com/download/Maths/A-level/Past-Papers/CIE/Paper-1/June 2002 QP - P1 CIE Maths A-level.pdf

Cambridge 2017:https://pmt.physicsandmathstutor.com/download/Maths/A-level/Past-Papers/CIE/Paper-1/June%202002%20QP%20-%20P1%20CIE%20Maths%20A-level.pdf

Doesn't seem to be a big difference
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Aug 19 16:43
Not really in a position to judge but do you have the corresponding pass rates and grade boundaries?
By:
detraveller
When: 15 Aug 19 16:45

Aug 15, 2019 -- 4:43PM, Charlie wrote:


Not really in a position to judge but do you have the corresponding pass rates and grade boundaries?


No and that's the whole point. They don't give out raw scores, because after they have evaluated all the papers, they sit down and decide where the average lies, which scores should be assigned which grades etc. They do this to ensure the results are comparable every year.

By:
detraveller
When: 15 Aug 19 16:45
So there's no point in saying my exam was tougher than yours etc...
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Aug 19 16:49
That's not true dt. Exam results have been inflated for years now that's why the number of students achieving A grades, and so on, had been going up. It's nothing to do with students getting better it's to do with institutions wanting better grades as they get more money.
By:
detraveller
When: 15 Aug 19 17:01
I am not saying students are getting better. I know universities in UK have increased unconditional admission offers, especially since Theresa May cracked down on them in 2012, forcing a lot of high paying foreign students out of the country. They need money so they'll not leave any places vacant in a classroom.

All I am saying is just because the raw percentages were leaked this time does not necessarily mean that back when you were giving these exams, your raw percentages were any better. People conveniently ignore the fact that they don't had out raw percentages yet when they are leaked this year people sound so alarmed despite the fact that they don't have anything to compare them with.
By:
detraveller
When: 15 Aug 19 17:03
I have to say though that the british system of education has to be the easiest in the world to crack. They even hand out examiner reports and detailed mark schemes. If you are good, and study enough past exams, you can easily predict what knowledge the examiner wants to test in a quesiton. You can literally predict the flow of the paper.
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 15 Aug 19 17:11
I got an A grade in 'A'level maths in 1984 and although I don't know exactly what I scored but it must have been over 70% I would have thought.
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Aug 19 17:18
dt
I've forgot the correct terminology from teacher training. As you've pointed out one is percentile based and one is percentage based. From what I remember it used to be percentage based i.e. you needed, say, 40% to pass for a D Grade, 50% for a C grade and so on which was regardless of the number of people passing. It was then changed to percentile based so that an equal number of people passed at each grade each year (as in a bell curve). Which was changed to more students pass at higher grades and now changed to purely percentile grades so it's difficult to fail.
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Aug 19 17:34

Aug 15, 2019 -- 5:03PM, detraveller wrote:


I have to say though that the british system of education has to be the easiest in the world to crack. They even hand out examiner reports and detailed mark schemes. If you are good, and study enough past exams, you can easily predict what knowledge the examiner wants to test in a quesiton. You can literally predict the flow of the paper.


That's something else that's changed. Obviously there's a curriculum for each course. It used to be that questions were based on any part of the curriculum. As years passed it became more of a 'teaching to test' as in teachers were told to concentrate on what was likely to be in an exam and ignore parts of the curriculum. Better exam results meant standards of education were improving. Apart from the fact that they weren't which nobody could mention.

By:
raspberrybottom
When: 15 Aug 19 18:11
I was under the impression that 70 and above was an "A" (not sure where the A* came in),

60-69 was a "B" (and still very respectable),

50-59 was a "C" and 40-49 was a "D".

30-39 was an "E" and 29 or below was "ungraded".

It's one thing making the exams "easier" (which is bad enough because it seems the whole system becomes devalued)

but actually making the pass marks lower seems a bit daft.

There are already loads of young adults out there with useless degrees (let alone "A" levels)

as employers aren't so impressed as they used to be by the word "degree" (because practically everyone's got one!) Plain
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Aug 19 18:28
rb
What qualification was that and when?
By:
Coachbuster
When: 15 Aug 19 19:16

Aug 15, 2019 -- 3:46PM, detraveller wrote:


Aug 15, 2019 --  3:31PM, Charlie wrote:dtThe leaked figures are percentages not percentiles. Scoring 14% to pass any qualification is a joke.Yes that's what im saying as well.But when OP compares it to him needing 80% for A in his times is wrong imo. The OPs 81% for an A on his result card is a percentile mark not a percentage mark.The guy that say got 14% in maths and passed this year will not have 14% written on his scorecard. it will have his percentile mark, which I guess would be about 40% for an E grade.


but the standards will be just the same whatever level you set the bar .....   the highest grade will simply enable that candidate to go to Uni  much as it did before

By:
Just Checking
When: 15 Aug 19 19:44
C4 news covering the results. Inevitably as it's C4 news, it's just another story about "diversity". Of the 100 or so faces in their story, I think only 2 who were white were a teacher and the interviewer. So a typical C4 news school visit. You might say "I've never seen so many BAME people in one place" but C4 news wouldn't like that, not that they are hypocrites or anything.
By:
Charlie
When: 15 Aug 19 20:22
Cb
but the standards will be just the same whatever level you set the bar .....   the highest grade will simply enable that candidate to go to Uni  much as it did before

That's not true because there are far more people going to uni now than before. Getting a place at a uni used to mean something now it's the norm.
By:
Coachbuster
When: 15 Aug 19 20:50

Aug 15, 2019 -- 8:22PM, Charlie wrote:


Cbbut the standards will be just the same whatever level you set the bar .....   the highest grade will simply enable that candidate to go to Uni  much as it did beforeThat's not true because there are far more people going to uni now than before. Getting a place at a uni used to mean something now it's the norm.


that much is true ...but it's good that more folk get the chance , if thats what they want to do .
In the 80s ,most of us  were  fed to some  'opportunities' programme  ...i  got out of that Laugh

By:
EvgenyKissin
When: 15 Aug 19 22:04
Diane Abbott read History at Cambridge.
By:
snowynoon
When: 15 Aug 19 22:09
About university entry ,when i was at that age ,around 1978,it was very,very, difficult to achieve the required grades to get to University,it was only the really clever kids who had any chance ,then they decided somewhere along the line that everyone should have
a chance to go ,i cant see how that benefits the country myself .
By:
EvgenyKissin
When: 15 Aug 19 22:27
Sid Waddell graduated from Cambridge in the 1960s.
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 15 Aug 19 22:32
Lots of punts there.
By:
themightymac
When: 15 Aug 19 22:38
Guy got an A but when asked what percentage he achieved replied, "Don`t know, I can`t fathom percentages". Crazy
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 15 Aug 19 22:39
He was in the top 105th fraction of a percentile.
By:
Capt__F
When: 15 Aug 19 22:43
Diane Abbott read History at Cambridge.

her lips moved
By:
themightymac
When: 15 Aug 19 22:43
PC Madness strikes again. Why don`t they just give everybody a pass and then no one`s self esteem will be hurt.
By:
Capt__F
When: 15 Aug 19 22:44
grade A 84 pretty decent

0 for me at A level 82Sad
By:
macarony
When: 15 Aug 19 23:15
How much respect is a British A leve A grade in maths now going to comand?
If you are good at maths then go else where for your grade
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 15 Aug 19 23:20
i wuda been beaten up by my teacher if i had scored 14% in any exam ShockedShockedCryCry
By:
macarony
When: 15 Aug 19 23:25
You got at least 5% fit getting your name and date correct
By:
HGS
When: 16 Aug 19 17:23
Weren't these the new tougher exams this year?
By:
Coachbuster
When: 16 Aug 19 17:24

Aug 15, 2019 -- 10:38PM, themightymac wrote:


Guy got an A but when asked what percentage he achieved replied, "Don`t know, I can`t fathom percentages".


bless him

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