Nora Quoirin - police scale back search

Strange case, doubt it will have a happy ending.

good evening Mr Bula; i don't see how it can. Scaling back could mean concentrated search nearby?

Got to feel for her parents. Be hoping for the best but deep down will know there is little chance of her being alive.

yes, unlike someone on here who think the father looks "shifty" Disgraceful

from The Mirror:

"Police in Malaysia have started to scale back the search for missing British teenager Nora Quoirin and have "no credible leads" on where she could be.

The search will now focus on steep areas, shrubs and rocks as well as around the family's accommodation as police do not believe the girl could have gone far".

That is a disgraceful comment.

I can't see she has decided to climb out the Window and go for a walk in the Middle of the Night

OP -- According to her family she wouldn't go wandering off alone

Trouble is that if Nora did wander off alone, she'd get lost almost immediately. She has special needs, does not speak the language, the family is on holiday rather than at home, and it is more-or-less in the middle of a jungle.

Things don't add up imo

"The search for London girl Nora Quoirin, 15, was beginning today, one week after she disappeared from a Malaysian jungle resort.

However police leading the search have expressed fears for her safety.
Negeri Sembilan police chief Deputy Commissioner Datuk Mohamad Mat Yusop said: "So far, we have no credible leads on where she is but we will continue with the search. We are accepting information from all parties and our investigation is exploring all angles."

Mr Mohamad said there was no evidence to indicate that Nora had been abducted, the local Star publication reported".

"Deputy Commissioner Datuk Mohamad Mat Yusop said this will allow the searchers to concentrate on a more focused area. Mr Mohamad said there was no evidence that Nora had been abducted but a separate criminal investigation is taking place alongside the search".

"Nora’s parents described how their daughter has limited verbal communication, meaning she cannot make or receive phone calls independently or write more than a few words at a time, and cannot grasp how to manage money. ‘She is not like other teenagers. She is not independent and does not go anywhere alone,’ they said in a statement released by the Lucie Blackman Trust. ‘Nora likes to walk with her family, but her balance is limited and she struggles with coordination. ‘She has been to Asia, and many European countries before, and has never wandered off or got lost.’"

a true mystery

Any good golf courses in Malaysia?

Our police getting fed up with the one in Portugal.

i'm surprised The Met haven't commented actually. Then again, the whole of social media is very quiet (for once) about this as well

Aug 10, 2019 -- 11:25PM, Baphornet wrote:

good evening Mr Bula; i don't see how it can. Scaling back could mean concentrated search nearby?

I always find it interesting when people judge other countries, cultures based on the standards they experience in their own countries.

Scaling back could mean anything. My guess is it means 'we are a developing country, our police is underfunded, we usually don't give a feck about disappearances and kidnappings, and we are certainly not going to waste our resources finding a foreigner'

I would also guess the ordinary police forces involved on the ground would have talked amongst themselves about how this girl is getting the special treatment because she's white and how the police would probably not even have registered a case if it was a local girl.

Just my guess. But I doubt the malaysians are going to waste a lot of time on this, unless there's some funding from the UK govt.

Detectives have searched the homes of staff working on the resort and have interviewed the taxi driver who picked up the family from Kuala Lumpur Airport on Sunday.

Investigators from Malaysia’s Bukit Aman – the country’s equivalent of the FBI – are investigating known paedophiles and other criminals in the resort.

On Friday elite commandos joined the jungle hunt for the schoolgirl as concerned cops have drafted in the VAT 69 special forces in their search and rescue effort.

It comes after cops said they believe Nora may still be alive after finding “her footprints” in the jungle.

Emergency teams say they are now focusing their search for the vulnerable youngster on isolated "hilly areas" as she could be hiding behind huge rocks.


Looking bleak ....

Thermal-imaging choppers have joined the search for Nora......

looks like you've done a pretty good job of judging a country there yourself, detraveller

Quite right Bap. But i've tried to judge them according to standards I expect from a developing country.

& i didn't?

Surprised no one has googled the mum and noticed she is co-owner of a tech company that has offices in London /NY/Singapore ,wondering if this is a factor ? The child’s French grand mother  statement saying French high level pressure has been applied and the search would now be on s diff level explains why the search is so big imo ,the childs grandfather is a Mayor in France ,also child is travelling on an Irish passport .Childs mum is an accomplished public speaker and would explain her doing the talking and father giving moral support at presser . The family had just arrived at the resort after an 18 hour flight into a -7 hr time zone . The sleeping arrangements and “cottage” layout are not clear but open window was in a hall rather than a bedroom ,wonder who booked and paid for this holiday and if mums buisiness was my used . Think if she wandered off they would have found her , drowned on resort and been covered up by who ever or been kidnapped  which Is not unheard of and site is only 40 km from KL ,if she has been kidnapped it won’t be a random event and could be a well planned job ,perhaps the police know this and are ever mindful of how potential negotiations need to go . Which could be compromised by such high media attention .

Puzzled by the sketchy info on “open wedged window “and it’s reported no locks on doors on resort ,couple and three children on holiday of a lifetime but given likely wealth of family perhaps not that big a thing .Info on Childs disability is also sketchy and no mention of medication or special needs ,real info is sparse and all very sketchy .

The teenager's family said she was born with holoprosencephaly, a disorder which affects brain development, meaning that she "struggles with co-ordination".

Her family has said Nora is "not independent and does not go anywhere alone".

Very concerning because of her special needs...I have no idea what happened myself

none of us do, UR that's why it's a mystery - for now

ok bap

Wondering.. Any wild bears, Monkeys, Tigers local?

Someone or thing has led this child away... imo.

"The search for London girl Nora Quoirin, 15, was beginning today, one week after she disappeared from a Malaysian jungle resort."


Pretty sure that's a misquote

Sad story.  If she's still alive she must be awfully frightened.

good posts by breadnbutter; certainly some things there i, & i suspect many others didn't know

did she not travel on Irish passport? and Irish police liaison is with the parents

Poor girl. Hope she's found soon.

Aug 11, 2019 -- 12:32PM, Baphornet wrote:

& i didn't?

My observation was in general and not necessarily aimed at you.

My initial thinking was that the police were already doing too much for someone not so important. So when they said they were scaling back the search my first reaction was they've given up, but feeding the family an official story so they don't get into any trouble.

If bnb's posts are true though, then clearly there's a lot of money to be made looking for this girl.

from Jackie Fox - RTE:

Gardaí and British police support Nóra Quoirin searchOfficers from the UK's National Crime Agency, Scotland Yard and An Garda Síochána are supporting Malaysian authorities in the search for Nóra Quoirin.

"The 15-year-old vanished more than a week ago from a rainforest resort about 70km south of Malaysia's capital, Kuala Lumpur.

A spokeswoman for the NCA said: "The National Crime Agency, the Met Police and the Irish police are working together to help and support the Malaysian authorities relating to Nóra Quoirin's disappearance."

With hundreds of people, including an elite police force, out daily looking for any trace of Nóra, there is still no indication of what happened to her.

Malaysia's Malay Mail newspaper said a total of 348 personnel were deployed in the search operation, the largest team so far.

On Saturday, a garda liaison officer arrived in Malaysia to assist police with their investigation and to help the Department of Foreign Affairs as it provides consular assistance to Nóra’s family.

Police are still treating this as a missing persons case even though the family think she was abducted."

A £10,000 reward has been offered to help find a vulnerable teenager who went missing in Malaysia, after the family raised more than £100,000.

Some 350 people are taking part in the search for 15-year-old Nora Quoirin, who disappeared from her room at the Dusan resort on 4 August.

As every day goes by the chance of a happy outcome recedes ... a horrible nightmare for the fanily

A body has been found in the search for missing London teenager Nora Quoirin in Malaysia, according to reports.

https://news.sky.com/story/nora-quoirin-body-found-in-search-for-missing-lon...

A spokesman for the Lucie Blackman Trust which is handling media enquiries for Nora's family said he was aware of reports that a body had been found in the search, adding that the trust was urgently seeking clarification.

According to PA, the LBT said it was "likely" to that of Nora.

harrowing news

Very sad,i hope she didn't suffer,R I P.

Poor poor girl

“Body found in area previously searched heavily by rescue personnel “  the shaman brought in by cops was a bit too prophetic imo ,also his stuff about the “genie” needing some form of payment followed the day later by a reward being offered could be seen as some type of n commencing .Searching troops were not carrying the guns in case they got attacked by a giant centipede imo . Recently the authorities shot thar  way into a KL City property and killed a couple of kidnappers and released an Indian man ,in another case a child was abducted from a posh part of KL and returned on payment of a ransom (against the advice of cops), kidnapping carries the death pen.This story still has a bit to run imo but sadly for the family it’s a disaster.

ID confirmed

the body was reported to be "intact" when found; i'm not getting into that just to say - how, if in a jungle area for 10 days?

It is so sad, sad r.i.p.

It never looked overly optimistic, but I wish it had have been, but no

Malasian police Press conference are calling it a crime scene... Poor girl was found naked...

...I hope they catch whoever abducted her...wont bring her back,,but needs catching

Found by “the waterfall “ not a waterfall might indicate one of the main attractions in the area ,trip advisor mentions it and its a fair hike along what is the main hiking route in the area . Cops must of been thinking the family planned to go there and might well have primed the kids for the adventure ,the area around the trail must of been well combeb numerous times .Trip advisor says it’s a doable walk but hard going in the rainy season with proper footwear a must .

Fact she was found nude, would indicate to me less chance of finding DNA... Very much doubt this young girl has walked 1.2 miles naked to die in a hidden place..... This is Murder.

That's just awful news, that poor kid. Absolutely heartbreaking.

horrible news .. poor girl

Keep an eye on the mother.

why?

Nonsense...

Go on Holiday , and family Destroyed RIP

Hannah Ellis-Petersen in Seremban, Malaysia
Wed 14 Aug 2019 15.34 BST

A postmortem of Nora Quoirin, the 15-year-old girl who went missing in the Malaysian jungle, has yet to determine a definitive cause of death and will continue on Thursday, say police.

The body of the teenager, from London, was discovered by a team of local hikers on Tuesday afternoon. She had been missing for 10 days.

Nora’s body was found unclothed down a steep, inaccessible ravine near a stream, just over a mile from the resort where she had been staying with her family, and was winched by helicopter to a hospital, according to an official.

Police said the area had already been searched by rescue teams days earlier.

Nora’s Irish and French mother and father, Meabh and Sebastien Quoirin, identified her body on Tuesday night. The autopsy was carried out on Wednesday by a pathologist from Kuala Lumpur general hospital, a local hospital doctor and two experts from the department of chemistry.

Speaking outside the morgue at Tuanku Ja’afar hospital, the Negeri Sembilan deputy police chief, Che Zakaria Othman, said on Wednesday: “Today the postmortem started at 11:45am. The four-man team are still carrying out their work so the police cannot tell the criminal investigation division (CID) the results yet. There is nothing more we can say for the moment.”

It is understood the Malaysian attorney general, Tommy Thomas, has stepped in to oversee the case and has requested test samples from the postmortem.

Nora was born with holoprosencephaly, a neurological disorder, which limited her speech and coordination and made her “very vulnerable”, according to her parents. During the search, her family said she must have been abducted as she “never goes anywhere by herself”, but police have so far treated the case as a missing person, while not ruling out a “criminal element” in the teenager’s disappearance.

' No foul play '

Struggle to understand why she would have left the holiday home of her own volition.
And what happened to her clothes ?

the local authorities probably lack the confidence and more importantly the will to investigate this properly

*competence not confidence

Missing ten days.
Found dead, statement said she died two days ago due to lack of food.

Died after only eight days without food?

On red button..A post Morton revealed she died of internal bleeding probably caused by hunger and stress

Cannot understand why search did not find her...unless she was frightened and hid from search

Or perhaps someone was holding her

A tragedy anyway r.i.p.

My understanding was you could go a surprisingly long time without food as long as you had water.
Internal bleeding due to hunger and stress? Never heard of that.

i think most of us would not accept that PM report; & the circs that surround her death. Up to the family now what to do next

"The cause of death was upper gastrointestinal bleeding due to duodenal ulcer, complicated with perforation."

Peritonitis could certainly be fatal quite quickly without emergency treatment - a very sad and painful outcome.  Hard to draw a conclusion on what actually happened

A Quoirin family lawyer has advised 'caution' around the results of the post-mortem into the death of 15-year-old Nora.

In results that were announced on Thursday morning, police found there was no evidence of foul play in the death of the Irish teenager.

The results found that she died from intestinal bleeding, most likely due to starvation and stress and that there were no signs of sexual assault.

Her body was discovered two days ago - 10 days after she went missing - close to a waterfall about 1.6 miles from the jungle resort of Dusun, where she had been on holiday with her French and Irish parents, sister Innes (12) and brother Maurice (9).

Speaking to the RTE radio programme Today with Miriam O'Callaghan, the French lawyer Charles Morell said the Quoirin family is satisfied with the work of the police.

However, he believes people should be "cautious" by the first interpretation of the postmortem results.

He said no avenue of what happened to Nora has been "excluded", including a criminal investigation.

He added that it is too early to determine what happened to Nora and that the family want to get more information from toxicology reports.

Mr Morell said the Quoirin family still "cannot understand" how Nora could leave the cottage they were staying in by herself.

Speaking to the Irish Times on Wednesday, the French grandfather of Nora Quoirin has said he believes "someone put" the teenager’s body in the place where she was found in Malaysia. 

Sylvain Quoirin said he believes the circumstances surrounding Nora’s death are a criminal matter.

"She wasn’t there yet [during previous searches]. Someone put her there, to get rid of her," Mr Quoirin said.

"Can you imagine her walking 2.5km, naked and barefoot, over rocks, in the middle of the night?" Mr Quoirin asked. "For me, that’s absurd."

Why didn't they put up a drone with thermal camera or even use a sniffer dog ?

I think you are probably right there bap

I think it is more likely to be a criminal matter

We need more information....a second pm?

Maybe the Malayan Police do not have them

Dogs have very good sense of smell, nothing can beat them at sniffing

eyeball

i would have thought a girl with Nora's disadvantages would not survive wandering in the jungle for a week. lack of clothes - maybe she stripped off in a delerious state? parents seem keen to push abduction - like the McCanns desperate to acquit themselves of any responsibility.

I'm sure I heard on the tv that drones had been used.

"Can you imagine her walking 2.5km, naked and barefoot, over rocks, in the middle of the night?" Mr Quoirin asked. "For me, that’s absurd."

How is this absurd? She was disabled. That's exactly what a person struggling with coordination would do. Not saying that that is what happened but the lawyer is full of shet if he thinks thats absurd.

From the Guardian;

Drones and helicopters have been deployed to search the dense forest in southern Negeri Sembilan state. A recording of her mother's voice is also being played over loudspeakers in an attempt to find the teenager. In a statement, her family, who believe Nora was abducted, said she was “not like other teenagers”.

This is just plain horrible. I have no idea of the circumstances but anyone who has had daughters will know what it is like when you have lone responsibility for youngsters  - like in shopping malls etc etc.   Forget jungles (ps I have been there way back)
Even now I don't trust mine to cross the road safely.   And they are all growded up with responsible adult type jobs and left the nest.
Much harder with a young girl with her conditions.   Very sad day.

i would have thought a girl with Nora's disadvantages would not survive wandering in the jungle for a week. lack of clothes - maybe she stripped off in a delerious state? parents seem keen to push abduction - like the McCanns desperate to acquit themselves of any responsibility. A T

I would need some proof of lack of parental responsibility A T to believe that, at the moment

The McCanns I have long given up on them, whether they were murderers or just woefully negligent I don't know????????

Despite many summers spent in Portugal neither do the British Police,  we have gone off subject a bit

Perhaps it is difficult to see far in the jumgle?

I wish the Malayan police had got in a sniffer dog.....perhaps they could not in time, oh well

A tragic outcome , What temp is at Night time over there ? Why would she climb out of a window naked in the Middle of the night ?  If the girl was that Vulnerable her parents would have known and taken precautions , was she known for heading off in the middle of the night ??

Very tragic and disturbing chain of events... cant imagine what the parents must be going through... RIP.


80 - 20 Foul play imo. 


Wondering if anybody's making claim or inquiring if they maybe entitled to any reward money for discovering Nora??

I wish the Malayan police had got in a sniffer dog

They did UBLE. They were used whilst the Mothers voice was being played on the loudspeakers.

"The family of a teenager who died in Malaysia after disappearing on a family holiday said they hope to have "more answers to our many questions".

Nora Quoirin's body was found beside a stream on Tuesday about 1.6 miles (2.5km) from her accommodation.

A post-mortem examination revealed the 15-year-old died from internal bleeding probably caused by hunger and stress.

Her family said the test results gave "some information" but she died in "extremely complex circumstances".

"We are still struggling to understand the events of the last 10 days," they added in a statement"

detraveller    15 Aug 19 17:10 
"Can you imagine her walking 2.5km, naked and barefoot, over rocks, in the middle of the night?" Mr Quoirin asked. "For me, that’s absurd."

How is this absurd? She was disabled. That's exactly what a person struggling with coordination would do. Not saying that that is what happened but the lawyer is full of shet if he thinks thats absurd.



Thought it was her grandfather stating this, not the lawyer ?

Yes that's the grandfather. My mistake.

Shouldnt take too long to find the girls lost clothing.. Should it.

I feel so sad for this poor sweet girl. Whatever she went through she must have been terrified.

Dreadfl MD , but I don't believe a word of the official story.

Malaysian authorities would not be on my most trustworthy list:

16% of Malaysians trust their politicians
44% trust their police
23% trust their mainstream media