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Is it worth it
If all you can eat is that Vegan muck
Enjoying our food is supposed to be one of the pros of life.,
If all you can eat is that Vegan muck
Enjoying our food is supposed to be one of the pros of life.,
Well lads it depends on what type of Vegan diet you eat there are plenty misconceptions and general cluelessness,one things for sure a correctly supplemented Low fat Plant based diet is the healthiest way of eating to avoid all chronic illness and live healthier for longer.
My way of Vegan is one most people would like and be able to adapt to what they like very easily.
Normal day Orange juice/Coffee,any fruit,exercise,flavoured Protein blended with fruit,Jacket potatoes with Bean Chilli,more fruit,any packet rice with peas/Beetroot,fruit,porridge or cornflakes with Almond milk and fruit.
Any filtered water Coffee or fruit juice any time easy peasy,healthy and tasty + suppplements vary on activity and cycles and occasionally add Chia/flax/Hemp seeds to porridge or smoothies.
Lots of misconceptions as I said can adjust volumes of food depending on what I'm doing can take weight any way at any time.
My way of Vegan is one most people would like and be able to adapt to what they like very easily.
Normal day Orange juice/Coffee,any fruit,exercise,flavoured Protein blended with fruit,Jacket potatoes with Bean Chilli,more fruit,any packet rice with peas/Beetroot,fruit,porridge or cornflakes with Almond milk and fruit.
Any filtered water Coffee or fruit juice any time easy peasy,healthy and tasty + suppplements vary on activity and cycles and occasionally add Chia/flax/Hemp seeds to porridge or smoothies.
Lots of misconceptions as I said can adjust volumes of food depending on what I'm doing can take weight any way at any time.
Nathan Pritikin is worth listening too absolutely outstanding knowledge and understanding explains things easily for anyone to understand,have checked plenty of what he talks about all studies he quotes are backed up in peer reviewed papers online.
Unfortunately he developed Cancer from exposure to radiation in the 50s and ended up taking his own life due to the suffering but was found to have cleared his arteries after having heart disease earlier in life.
Others have said there is no doubt his diet and lifestyle kept him alive for longer than he should have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOj4rzSkqok
Pritikin mentions life expectancy on this video.
Unfortunately he developed Cancer from exposure to radiation in the 50s and ended up taking his own life due to the suffering but was found to have cleared his arteries after having heart disease earlier in life.
Others have said there is no doubt his diet and lifestyle kept him alive for longer than he should have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOj4rzSkqok
Pritikin mentions life expectancy on this video.
I have only known one vegan who sadly died aged 23.
Was originally concerned about eating too much fruit due to studies saying excess fructose gets turned to body fat which I've since found to be false when I came across the skinniest people I've seen online who are Raw Fruitarians,they eat nothing but raw fruit and some extremists don't drink extra water.
They were putting away 4-5000 calories per day from fruit and their wasn't a picking on them so I had no issue adding more to my diet and dropping some veg.
Not sure what else the study subjects ate alongside the excess fructose they probably ate more fat and protein which will make a huge difference,if you live completely off fruit and starch any excess carbs are burned by heat after refilling liver and muscle glycogen and won't be stored as fat.
They were putting away 4-5000 calories per day from fruit and their wasn't a picking on them so I had no issue adding more to my diet and dropping some veg.
Not sure what else the study subjects ate alongside the excess fructose they probably ate more fat and protein which will make a huge difference,if you live completely off fruit and starch any excess carbs are burned by heat after refilling liver and muscle glycogen and won't be stored as fat.
A woman vegan was adamant that I was at school with her and it took half an hour to convince that I had never met herbivore.
Not bad the first one worked well because the screen refreshed automatically as I read the first line.
It`s better told in a pub Denzel as someone always jumps in, looking rather upset and asks, "That is very sad. What happened to them"?
The fear of refined sugars is misplaced when on a low fat plant based diet as evidenced by Walter Kempner in the late 1930s.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/2013/12/31/walter-kempner-md-founder-of-the-rice-diet/
If you're exercising especially endurance events like cycling,running and swimming drinking sugar (glucose/dextrose is best) pre and post workouts has huge effects on performance recovery and progression and will not make you fat if you are on a diet of around 80% carbs 10% protein and 10% fat calorie wise,more carbs the better.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/2013/12/31/walter-kempner-md-founder-of-the-rice-diet/
If you're exercising especially endurance events like cycling,running and swimming drinking sugar (glucose/dextrose is best) pre and post workouts has huge effects on performance recovery and progression and will not make you fat if you are on a diet of around 80% carbs 10% protein and 10% fat calorie wise,more carbs the better.
Aye they would if you'd spelled 'herbivore' as 'herbefore' I probably would've asked a question.
Easy healthy way of life thanks to Dr Crippen on here got me old mother back in better health last year after her 2nd hip op and other health issues,she usually eats no meat/dairy (barring what's in her tea) low fat 5 or 6 days per week.
Every Sunday Beef dinner and what ever pudding but the rest of the time she's stuck it out and her health has benefitted,doesn't take any pain medications now and is far more active than she's been for many years.
She's got a rare incurable autoimmune disease which the symptoms have improved also so after seeing the improvements has stuck it and only eats what she likes.
Every Sunday Beef dinner and what ever pudding but the rest of the time she's stuck it out and her health has benefitted,doesn't take any pain medications now and is far more active than she's been for many years.
She's got a rare incurable autoimmune disease which the symptoms have improved also so after seeing the improvements has stuck it and only eats what she likes.
Of course on the flip side my dad thinks it's total bolox and I talk shyte even though at one stage last year I'd dropped my weight over 4 stone but he's an ignorant rsehole.
On the other hand he may be right Denzil, didn’t your aunt live to 108 ?
I'm not sure I'll ever go vegan but the health benefits of it only seem to be questioned by those with vested interests elsewhere or relying on tired stereotypes.
I know plenty of wrestlers are vegan and I assume you'd see an increasing amount across sport too.
I know plenty of wrestlers are vegan and I assume you'd see an increasing amount across sport too.
When I am driving up and down the motorways and A roads especially up here in the North of England and Scotland, I can't help noticing how empty most farmers fields are some completely other with an handful of livestock.
I aways think there most be a better way of farming or a better more productive use for this land, especially with the massive advances in agricultural technology. Just seems a waste to me for an hand full of sheep
I aways think there most be a better way of farming or a better more productive use for this land, especially with the massive advances in agricultural technology. Just seems a waste to me for an hand full of sheep
genetics surely are the big decider on how long you live ...vegans on a healthy diet might manage a couple more years on average . Vegans maybe smoke and drink less too ...i don't know
nothing wrong is vegan food (what i've tried is quite good) .... if it's prepared by someone with some food knowledge ...obviously some areas of society aren't going to appreciate the food anyway ,as their taste buds have been dulled by too much junk sadly .
nothing wrong is vegan food (what i've tried is quite good) .... if it's prepared by someone with some food knowledge ...obviously some areas of society aren't going to appreciate the food anyway ,as their taste buds have been dulled by too much junk sadly .
Aug 7, 2019 -- 9:16AM, macarony wrote:
When I am driving up and down the motorways and A roads especially up here in the North of England and Scotland, I can't help noticing how empty most farmers fields are some completely other with an handful of livestock.I aways think there most be a better way of farming or a better more productive use for this land, especially with the massive advances in agricultural technology. Just seems a waste to me for an hand full of sheep
sheep are good lawnmowers
I don’t want to live to be 100.
Many vegans (perhaps a majority) choose to be so for ethical reasons; the health benefits are just a consequential bonus.
Many vegans (perhaps a majority) choose to be so for ethical reasons; the health benefits are just a consequential bonus.
The Daily Mail publishes a scaremongering anti-vegan or anti-vegetarian article every month or so, always by the same three or four writers.
This ice cream, not a moustachioed 80s private eye.
Aug 7, 2019 -- 7:27AM, lfc1971 wrote:
On the other hand he may be right Denzil, didn’t your aunt live to 108 ?
Great great aunt she was my grandads auntie and her age is way out of line from the rest usually got t0 60s and 70s,her long life was chalked down increased immunity due to surviving death from Spanish Flu.
Strangely lfc1971 her husband died at 47 and at least 1 of his 2 brothers (could be both can't be certain without asking) drowned in the Tyne aged around 11ish definitely a bit strange but true.
Coachbuster • August 7, 2019 1:53 PM BST
genetics surely are the big decider on how long you live ...vegans on a healthy diet might manage a couple more years on average . Vegans maybe smoke and drink less too ...i don't know
If done properly you'll live healthier for longer which is what most people want instead of developing lots of unnecessary chronic illnesses in middle age,genes will play a part of course the thing is you can sully good genes with poor food and lifestyle.
As soon as you get onto the medication carousel there aint many who can get off one thing leads to another and you're fcuked basically,it's noticeable that people are getting sicker younger the meds help this process along.
genetics surely are the big decider on how long you live ...vegans on a healthy diet might manage a couple more years on average . Vegans maybe smoke and drink less too ...i don't know
If done properly you'll live healthier for longer which is what most people want instead of developing lots of unnecessary chronic illnesses in middle age,genes will play a part of course the thing is you can sully good genes with poor food and lifestyle.
As soon as you get onto the medication carousel there aint many who can get off one thing leads to another and you're fcuked basically,it's noticeable that people are getting sicker younger the meds help this process along.
yep ...folk who die later get health problems on average later so you sort of stay younger later ...rather than just ,as most folk think,extended years when youre fooked
There's a distinct difference between vegan diets and the starch based diets responsible for all the major health claims.
Dr C is right I tried to say it in my first post on the thread he's done it in far less words.
STUDYFORM should watch the video link I posted at 2:27AM as Pritikin tells of his 100% success rate with Psoriasis patents with the worst patient they had taking 4 months for total clearance which was longer than the rest,though it's probable he'll classify Pritikin as a Youtube charlatan.
Unlike Hannibal Lecter who was giving serious thought to eating Pazzi’s wife, I’m thinking of moving to Nevada to be a Las Vegan vegan.
She's an unhealthy one smokes like a chimney and she's extremely rough when she aint done up.
An excellent informative interview with Dr Klaper starts at 0:49.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8YlCOCEUsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8YlCOCEUsk
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