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So HGS the democratic thing to do would be to vote them out at the earliest convenience! We voted them in. That is how it works. We vote them in. We will be voting for a new Parliament pretty soon imho. It might make the impasse worse. Troubling and equally exciting times ahead
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Anyway,
I thought Brussels makes our laws and some of you me included voted for Parliament to become Sovereign again? It looks like it is! |
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Maybe. Personally, I have found the failure to uphold Brexit very frustrating, but in saying that, if any sort of action could get this sorted, I would go along with a 2nd referendum. Probably the best hope in getting it over the line should Boris not manage to.
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Aman who once conspired to have a journalist (who was investigating him!)beaten up and who burned £50 notes in front of homeless people,this is your new P.M.,ain"t Democracy a blast?
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That was to the 16.44 post
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Afternoon Terry
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Hi there HGS
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Will he be the shortest serving PM since the 19th century?
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I am concerned about a second referendum. What if Remain wins?
Shirley then it is best out of 3? Why should Brexiters accept it? If there was a second referendum and Leave won then that would be a better result for our democracy although maybe not for our country. I do believe a General Election might be the best form of referendum that will have to be accepted by all sides if a decisive result is reached. This might prove difficult to achieve though and make us even more divided. It is all a bit of a mess. |
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Another referendum wouldn't be remain vs leave. It would be remain vs this option of leave.
A ref will only happen after a GE anyway. |
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The journalist (Stuart Collier of the News of the World) was not investigating Boris. Boris had nothing to do with any investigation.
Collier WAS investigating a fraudster who had been at school with Boris. The fraudster (Darius Guppy) wanted the journalist's address to have the frighteners put on him. Boris didn't even know the journalist, never mind his address, but said he'd do what he could. In the end he did nothing (which is all he could have done in the circumstances), and Guppy went down for five years. Which might be the fate awaiting terry mccann, if any libel lawyer reads his 16:52 post. |
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Boris is a wally. But any wally that is opposed by Major, Blair and Brown is alright by me.
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Did the journalist Boris Johnson give the address to his old Etonian pal, the convicted fraudster Darius Guppy?
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Can only speak for myself, but I truly think Leave would win again. Can only see this happening if a general election was called and another referendum being part of a manifesto for the party with the majority. Not ideal and would be far from happy, but have really had enough of all of this going nowhere. I certainly would not want a best out of 3. It is all a mess as you state, because a general election could leave some not knowing how to vote. We will stop brexit, (Lib Dems, SNP, Greens and maybe Labour), we will have a referendum (maybe Tories and maybe Labour), we will uphold brexit (Brexit Party and maybe Tories). This I fear could stop Brexit without a clear mandate. Just wish it had been upheld and we could vote people in on other important issues that keep being neglected.
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The whole point of the story is that Johnson did NOT give Guppy the journalist's address. He didn't know it.
Whisperingdeath could be joining terry mccann in the dock if he's not careful. |
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Why would I be in the dock?
I asked a question. Now I will ask another. Did he promise to get the address for Dari? |
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a recording of the infamous bozo/guppy phone call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MUwBEJRwk |
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n88, that would not be the referendum I would want. In or out as before. The EU have to be open to renegotiation with no deal being on the table. The failure to include this as an option gave the EU a very unfair advantage imo. (Not their fault I know). I'm sure we could get better and if not, so be it.
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The whole point of the story is not that Johnson did not give Guppy the address
Why would that be the story? Silver spooned old Etonian fraudster ask's his Bullingdon Boy friend to get address of investigative journalist's address so he can have him beaten up! That is the story! and further to that the Bullingdon Boy friend goes on possibly to become the Prime Minister. |
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a referendum will be fraught with how it is worded. As you said should not be leave or remain as we have already voted but deal or no deal!
Even if we vote deal what is the deal? I have sympathy with people who want to leave but at the same token people who want to remain have a legitimate right to fight it and the best way for them to stop it is through voting in a remain Parliament. |
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Whisperingdeath, you made a statement that Johnson gave the address to the journalist. Read your post.
I really think posters should be careful here. These forums turn up on Google searches. There's no hiding behind a username, if lawyers come calling. When the story first came to light, the angle was the fact that Johnson was a journalist himself at the time, yet proved to be too useless to find out Collier's address. If people really wanted to get at Boris over this affair, they ought to examine the glowing description of Guppy which Boris had filed in an earlier story about his old schoolfriend. |
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I did not say Johnson gave him the address.
Firstly I asked if he did. Now I am asking if Johnson asked people to find it for him? |
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people are often judged by the company they keep!
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The man might be our next Prime Minister
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Corbyn should show some leadership and call a motion straight away.
The country needs this sorted out quickly. Let the country decide! |
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Fair enough. What you posted is just incomprehensible.
Whisperingdeath 23 Jul 19 17:26 Joined: 25 Dec 11 | Topic/replies: 23,762 | Blogger: Whisperingdeath's blog Did the journalist Boris Johnson give the address to his old Etonian pal, the convicted fraudster Darius Guppy? |
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One interesting point about that phone conversation is that Boris claims he'll be able to find out Collier's address from his phone number. How did he intend to do that?
We'll never know unfortunately, because he never did. |
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He's had long enough to show leadership imo
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what part of the question did you not comprehend?
If you didn't comprehend it why did you suggest I could be joining Terry McCann in the dock? For what? That is half the problem. Not enough people asking questions and the other half of the problem is people like Doris and Chump lying when asked questions! |
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As I stated 2 years ago, the powers that be will not let Brexit happen. Democracy is finished.
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Doris said he was concerned that if he made enquiries and the bloke got beaten up badly it would come back on him. He did not seem too bothered about a fellow journalist getting beaten up for doing his job, just that it might come back on him
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mac people could vote for the Brexit Party in a General Election. If they win a majority they could push it through.
You might be surprised. I voted leave and I voted Brexit in the Euro Elections. |
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Did the journalist Boris Johnson give the address to his old Etonian pal, the convicted fraudster Darius Guppy?
The only bit of that which makes sense is that Boris Johnson did give out the address (which he didn't). The rest of it is gobbledegook. |
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what part of did do you not understand?
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I am not from Bongo Bongoland.
I believe did is a word! |
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Ah! Hang on. Do you mean "Did Boris Johnson, a journalist at the time, give the address to his old Etonian pal, Darius Guppy?"
In that case, I apologize, and the answer's still no! |
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"One interesting point about that phone conversation is that Boris claims he'll be able to find out Collier's address from his phone number."
Digitised phone books can be reverse looked up, and have been around for decades? |
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 No need. I value the opinion of anyone who at least tries to make a case. You are right though people should be careful what they write on here and should not make patently false statements or claim facts when they do not know the truth. No harm, no foul. I don't believe he gave the address but think he may or was ready to ask people to find it. |
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Really, Just Checking? Where do you get hold of those? (Asking for a friend.) (Not Boris.)
I would have thought you needed access to the police computer for a reverse look-up. Any search via BT would have left a trace, which Boris didn't want to leave. Oh well. We'll never know, as he evidently either thought better of it once he'd put the phone down, or simply couldn't be bothered. |
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if he said he would get it is that conspiracy or does he actually have to give it for it to be part of a conspiracy? i imagine its the latter.
the one thing we know for certain about the clown is that he is a serial liar who will say what he thinks whoever he is talking to wants to hear so it is entirely possible he would tell guppy he was on the case but have no such intention. |