Abortion - BBC2 - Victoria Derbyshire

Heidi Allen

Imam (2nd right)

Pro-life obsessive (on left)

Abortion surgeon ( on right)

Confusing sentence ??

Meaning there are likely people alive who think abortion should be decriminalised that would've been aborted otherwise.

We've got the anti-abortion extremists back standing near the Marie Stopes clinic in Ealing, they have been legally made to stand over 100 metres away after new law was introduced.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/07/anti-abortion-protests-ban-ealing-marie-stopes-clinic-london

In a lot - not all by any means ... the women do not want the baby so termination is the answer
What do the anti-abortionists want ... should abortion become illegal will they take all of the babies themselves as part of their family ... this will include those disabled; mentally deficient etc and look after them throughout their early lives or contribute towards their upkeep until they are adults if they want them to have the opportunity of a fully and meaningful life ...
Surely the choice has to be with those who are pregnant

Of course there's going to be circumstances that might mean abortion is right

Like rape for instance, but if a woman consents and the bloke doesn't put something on the end of it well that's tough

Plenty of young women get drunk and then willingly have sex, leopard

Young women up and down the country now act like men when going on "the lash", short miniskirts etc, giving the men the come on, willingly having one night stands

If they are that stupid they don't deserve any sympathy

If the woman has had her drink spiked and the scum date rapes her then its a totally different story of course

If she refuses to look after her/him she's arrested and imprisoned, she takes responsibility for her actions in my opinion

She went out and got drunk and didn't take proper precaution and therefor is now responsible for that baby, and if you can find the father he's forced into paying money for its upbringing as well

Leopard

As I said above a lot of young women go out with the intention of having sex

Its time women were taught to love themselves and respect themselves to be honest

Peer pressure?

Is that the argument?

Women need to be stronger then, and if the man starts forcing himself on her then other men should sort him out

Sonta the alternative is forcing women to go through with the pregnancy.
I can understand all the objections but it must be the womens decision.

^ Idiot !

CHORTLE at the stock, knee-jerk reaction of all lefties to unwelcome facts and truth; ABUSE! ABUSE! ABUSE!

Troll is he/it, best ignore him/it then.

Typical nasty lefties. Shower abuse on anyone who has an opposing view to theirs.
No wonder the forum is on its knees.

Clearly some wilfully uninformed types on here, so please forgive me the indulgence of re-posting a previous reply, in a second attempt at elucidating, educating and enlightening the poor lefties as to the meaning of the word `fascist`;



Aaah, The Big Lie! (Well, one half of it!)
In an amazing example of evil in action, lefties have managed to convince the world that the Nazis were right wing, that two of mankind`s blackest stains were carried out by right-wingers. UNTRUE!!! Don`t believe me? Of course you don`t, you`ve been taken in by The Big Lie! So, let`s look at the evidence, shall we? When reading this evidence, open minds would be preferable...

Hitler`s Nazi party had a 25-point manifesto; most of it is fairly generic, but here are the relevant clauses;


4 Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

Our first nod to anti-semitism, a recurring theme with lefties

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6 The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen. We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favour of the party without regard to character and fitness.

Another favourite of lefties, State control, aka Socialism/Communism



7 We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
9 All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

More examples of State control, aka Socialism/Communism


10 The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11 That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12 Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13 We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14 We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15 We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16 We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17 We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18 We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.


All pure anti-Capitalism, aka Socialism/Communism

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20 In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning.

Oh, this one`s a humdinger! Full State Control of all cultural pursuits, and full-on `Love The State` brainwashing in schools! AKA Socialism/Communism


21 The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centres, by prohibiting juvenile labour, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics

Nationalised health and workforce, aka Socialism/Communism



23 We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.

Another leftie beauty, with full State Control of all media, aka no free speech, also aka Socialism/Communism


24 We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle:
COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

More anti-semitism! Religion`s ok, but only if it agrees with us'. The best bit, though, is the `COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD`, which is the very slogan of leftieism!!! Also, the capitals are THEIR`S, not mine, underlining how leftieism really was at the very heart of their beliefs. Let`s not forget of course that `Nazi` is an abbreviation of `National SOCIALIST`, something lefties have managed to gloss over as part of The Big Lie


25 In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

And closing out with more Socialist/Commie ideals



As we can see, the Nazis were pure lefties, and pulling off this half of The Big Lie is perhaps leftieism`s finest achievement. It`s NOT true, yet it goes unchallenged every day.
The other half of `The Big Lie? Well, that`s how lefties have convinced the world that both Slavery and the KKK were right-wing things; also NOT TRUE but that`s tomorrow`s lesson. Or you could check it out for yourself, discover the real truth.

I have had some stuff out of Indians that could have been abortions ,now you mention it.
But they called it chicken.

I believe if woman want to be responsible for their body's contraception is available in almost every shop ,garage etc ,where as 30 years ago it was chemists.
Rape etc being exceptions.