The real Peterborough results

Jun 16, 2019 -- 4:36PM, elisjohn wrote:

the betting on here was corrupt , as well

I think it's fairer to say that the favourite flip flopped many times during the campaign, as it should in a very close contest.

No doubt opinion polls being so wrong have provided betting opportunities.

Jun 16, 2019 -- 5:16PM, Injera wrote:

No doubt opinion polls being so wrong have provided betting opportunities.

Regarding opinion polls on the results Donny suggested earlier-

Peterborough- no opinion polls but one excellent site (electoral calculus) had Labour ahead.

Clinton-Trump- Clinton always just in front but not by a great deal.

Remain-Leave- Too close to call in opinion polls with perhaps remain slightly ahead by a whisker.

Jun 16, 2019 -- 5:16PM, Injera wrote:

No doubt opinion polls being so wrong have provided betting opportunities.

all the experts seem to have known and suspected it was gonna be f*xed all along but hardly anyone decided to put their money on it to take advantage

some closed polls had trump ahead, based on intent to vote combined
with voting intention.

our friend ron russian highlited these, and they were proved correct..

it made sense that the motivation to vote for obama may not be replicated
to vote for hilary, and many polls overlooked that.

Polling includes media predictions and support. It all affects perception and confidence behind a candidate.

This from Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election

500 hundred US newspapers and magazines endorsed Clinton.
28 endorsed Trump.

Not only was Trump a victory against career politicians, it was also a win versus the print media. Quite staggering when you think about it.

And of course the print media are simply publishing what their agenda is, they are best completely ignored from a betting viewpoint.

correct

Re Brexit, look who supported Remain:

PM
Chancellor
Leader of her Maj's Oppo
Leader of Lib Dems
Snp (50 odd Mps)
Plaid wotsit
Greenos
IMF
BBC and numerous other media
Merkel etc
Archbishop of Canterbury!!
Obama

The British public won't be lectured to...It seems in politics, backing the underdog pays well.

lectured to by farage and yaxley lennon?

the BoE canuck

all of the current Cabinet still standing

Not only was Trump a victory against career politicians, it was also a win versus the print media. Quite staggering when you think about it.


print media didn't win but they didn't really lose here of course, because Trump is a huge money maker for them

Had a look at the Daily Newspaper list;

You had *20* of that very long list endorse Romney and then endorse right-wing again (including some weirdo papers who decided to endorse Libertarian). One might see that as liberal bias or you could just as easily see it as many in charge don't believe their power will be challenged by a Hillary-led presidency. Biden will probably rack up all the endorsements if he wins but this list is gonna be far more split if Bernie did for example

The Pope

aaronh

Bozo

Beth Rigby
Fatboy

aaronh - wrong thread but...when do you think the Biden train will be derailed?

Must be soon!

when he hits 90, that can't be far off

Jun 16, 2019 -- 6:23PM, Injera wrote:

aaronh - wrong thread but...when do you think the Biden train will be derailed?Must be soon!

I may be biased, probably the biggest Biden hater in all the Trump thread

realistically, I'm not sure it does. I think his status as the front runner and the one considered most likely to beat Trump is going to drill many into the mindset of "We must vote Trump to beat this guy at all costs".

Ideally, he gets exposed as being out of touch in the debates in a couple of weeks. It's a shame that Warren is stranded in the other one and doesn't get to have a go at him but hopefully the other contenders (Bernie, Kamala, Pete B) get to strike some blows. There is so much that should be damaging to him that should see him lose a lot of support from the more left types and those who prioritise social issues. There's also all that creepy **** he does, which should be called out.

Of course, Biden is going to cure cancer if he wins so you have to keep that in mind

So about 30% of the vote was reported as being by postal votes ???

Interesting

Time to buy shares in Royal Mail before the Brexit referendum and general election

Nah crisp,they just stuff the boxes at home and drop them off at the count on the night in most constituencies !

Jun 19, 2019 -- 8:54AM, John.W.Henry. wrote:

So about 30% of the vote was reported as being by postal votes ??? Interesting

What's interesting about it?

Because the average is 18%.

very interesting

Interesting in what way?

Barry davies

that it is 80% above the average.

What difference does it make?

If you a member of betting exchange then its only right to challenge or question something that is abnormal.

There is nothing abnormal. What was the postal vote at the 2017 General election in the constituency?

Maybe that was abnormal too.

The percentage of postal votes in a given constituency are usually in the same ball park each election. However, this percentage varies enormously from one constituency to another. The constituency may be rural, it might have a high percentage of elderly voters etc. Traditionally, postal votes favour Conservative voters as they tend to be older or live in more rural constituencies.

Is the postal vote percentage in this constituency "80% above the average" of what it normally is?

^ that’s neither here nor there

Peterborough rural??

Give it up, pp.

Who said that?

Errm, I think you will find that I was giving rough examples of why there are large fluctuations in postal vote percentages throughout the UK. I am not suggesting Peterborough is particularly rural in any way.

you just said it was rural

that's good but it's not right

say what ye seee

I certainly did not. I said...

"However, this percentage varies enormously from one constituency to another. The constituency may be rural, it might have a high percentage of elderly voters etc. Traditionally, postal votes favour Conservative voters as they tend to be older or live in more rural constituencies."

Roy walker knows

The problem is not in rural areas , but the inner cities

inner circle

ew

bad losers blame others

why not have another vote until you get the result you desire?

If postal votes traditionally favour elderly, Conservative voters, it would be interesting, would it not, if the postal votes of the recent Peterborough by-election favoured Labour voters of all ages? Did they?

Also, did the postal votes display a statistically remarkable bias towards voters of a particular ethnicity? Again, I would find this interesting.

Furthermore, given past incidents of fraudulent voting patterns involving multiple constituents sharing exactly the same name, I would be interested if this was a concern in the ongoing investigations.

I’ll admit that I am quite surprised to learn that postal votes favour elderly, Conservative voters. The elderly, Conservative voters I know are not only resolute in their convictions, they’re also a damned sight more hardy in their determination to make it to the polling station come rain or shine than most youngsters.

How many people use postal votes?

The proportion of voters using postal votes has increased over the last three general elections. Different parts of the UK have different rates of postal voting: at the 2015 general election, Wales had the highest proportion of voters using postal votes (17.7%), while England had the lowest (16.7%) (except for Northern Ireland, where postal voting is not available on demand).

The proportion of postal voters also differs among English regions: at the 2015 general election, it ranged from 13.4% in the West Midlands to 26% in the North East. The highest proportion of postal voters was found in the Houghton and Sunderland South constituency (43.3%); the lowest in Birmingham Perry Bar (7.4%)

Jun 20, 2019 -- 12:51AM, Torquemada wrote:

I’ll admit that I am quite surprised to learn that postal votes favour elderly, Conservative voters. The elderly, Conservative voters I know are not only resolute in their convictions, they’re also a damned sight more hardy in their determination to make it to the polling station come rain or shine than most youngsters.

How is old people using postal votes more in any way surprising???

I think torque just explained that if you read your post again.

All opinion polls (pre Brexit Party!) always have support for the Conservative party higher as it goes up the age scales. Apparently the average age of members that will vote in the upcoming leadership election is around seventy. Sadly, simple facts of life are as we get older, we are less healthy and mobile. However, elderly folks are much more likely to be guaranteed to vote. Put the two together and that explains why postal votes favour Conservatives in general, coupled with the more rural the constituency,the more conservative it is likely to be.

Since so many conservatives were refusing to canvass or even vote tory and had transferred to the  Brexit party due to their commitment to Brexit one might have thought the postal votes would have supported Brexit party instead of the larger impact on Labour using that logic pp ? Maybe the ethnic support swung it for Labour then.

Thanks for that little bit of wisdom politics pauper

I didn’t know that

Of course a poastal vote doesn’t favour any party its merely a means of voting ....if used lawfully

Jun 21, 2019 -- 6:06PM, treetop wrote:

Since so many conservatives were refusing to canvass or even vote tory and had transferred to the

My comments on postal votes were a generalisation, nothing particularly connected with Peterborough.

sone areas are more prone to voting malpractice  , so generalisations are neither here nor there

The proportion of postal voters also differs among English regions: at the 2015 general election, it ranged from 13.4% in the West Midlands to 26% in the North East. The highest proportion of postal voters was found in the Houghton and Sunderland South constituency (43.3%); the lowest in Birmingham Perry Bar (7.4%)

I mean of course I have no clue about the individual constituencies or the actual figures of certain groups in either but if the experts on here were correct, these numbers look a bit odd

Very odd I don't know anyone from Sunderland who can read.

East Midlands 16.8
Eastern 15.4
London 14.8
North East 26.0
North West 18.1
South East 16.0
South West 17.1
West Midlands 13.4
Yorkshire & The Humber 18.0

Houghton & Sunderland South* 43.3 Epping Forest 9.7
Sunderland Central* 41.1 Stoke On Trent Central 9.6
Newcastle Upon Tyne North* 41.0 York Central* 9.6
Washington & Sunderland West* 40.4 Edmonton 9.6
Newcastle Upon Tyne Central* 36.1 Hull West & Hessle* 9.4
Blaydon* 35.8 West Bromwich East 9.2
Stevenage* 33.9 Hull East* 9.1
Jarrow* 33.1 Oxford East 8.8
South Shields* 33.1 Birmingham Yardley 8.8
Altrincham & Sale West* 30.8 Weaver Vale* 8.8
Gateshead* 30.7 Wolverhampton South East 8.7
Don Valley* 30.4 Birmingham Selly Oak 8.3
Newcastle Upon Tyne East* 30.1 Hull North* 8.3
Rushcliffe* 29.6 Birmingham Hodge Hill 8.2
Blackpool North & Cleveleys* 29.5 Birmingham Erdington 8.1
Telford* 29.2 Bury St. Edmunds 8.1
Blyth Valley* 29.1 Sherwood* 8.0
The Wrekin* 29.1 Birmingham Ladywood 7.6
Chorley* 28.6 Halton* 7.4
Doncaster Central* 27.5 Birmingham Perry Barr 7.4

Too much effort to format properly from http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/191861/Ply... but there's the top 20/bottom 20 side by side. if we can learn anything from it

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/191861/Plymouth-UKPGE-electoral-data-report-final-WEB.pdf

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left list is

Labour 14
Conservative 6

right list is
Labour 16
Conservative 4

if I read everything correctly, conclusive stuff

w/ 2017 MPs. even though data is for 2015

Jun 21, 2019 -- 9:21PM, aaronh wrote:

left list isLabour 14Conservative 6right list isLabour 16Conservative 4if I read everything correctly, conclusive stuff

What do you think is conclusive?

nothing

Labour machine very active up here,they worry about their voters not getting out due to the cold weather so help their supporters to complete the forms.

As all parties do.

Visiting sheltered housing complexes, nursing homes etc is part of the election process for all major parties.

Well aware of that pp, campaigned a few times myself in the past.I identify with the fella that audited councils who told me in 30 years he  found voter fraud mostly in high majority areas when the party assumed it could do what it wanted. He said if he looked at the north east he would find fraud but also in the south east equally.He was adamant that the marginals were usually run better.

What are saying treetop that is only Labour that do voter fraud ?

a lot of the labour vote in working class and poorer areas do not have transport unlike the majority of the spiv fans , thats why the labour teams on the ground work hard to get their vote out

In years gone by, on election day, the Conservative Party always hoped for a very poor day weather wise as their voters were normally financially better off and could afford a car to get to the polling station.

twizzle22    07 Jun 19 20:41 
Facts spouting " snake oil salesman" jibe which he uses on every occasion..Not an original thought in his entire noggin.



The truth doesn't have to be ' original ' . A fact is a fact.
Weren't you taught  anything at school ?

BANG TO RIGHTS: Proof That Labour Are LYING About The Peterborough By-Election


THE CITY of Peterborough – a dull, grey, bewilderingly worn-down English mock-metropolis, sinking in parts into the drained Fens of Cambridgeshire.

It is worn-down for a many number of reasons; unprecedented, perhaps unmanageable levels of immigration, the second-highest birthrate in the United Kingdom, the second-fastest growing population, an often wasteful City Council with amateurish ideas; all and more have forced the once quaint and quiet demi-city into rapidly and blindly growing into something that perhaps it was never intended to become and that, realistically, with things as they are, it can only ever hope to emulate.

Like other places of its ilk – glorified towns that narrowly scraped through the criteria required to pass off as official cities – the cramped city also suffers unknowingly from a detrimental confusion over its own identity.

For all intents and purposes, the unintentional multicultural experiment that is Peterborough – a developing city that do date has tried and failed to promote successful integration – is, in a nutshell, confused about its future and overwhelmed by its present circumstance. And it is, under these conditions, that various ‘darker sides’ to city life have been able to flourish unchecked.

The date is the 8th of June, 2017. Election day.

In a baffling decision to which the true reasons are perhaps still known only to her, Prime Minister Theresa May has called a snap election and it seems since then, up until this moment, has done everything in her power to lose it.

There is only an hour left to vote.

Outside a central Peterborough polling station, a street lamp flickers above a group of intimidating-looking men of Pakistani heritage – red rosettes pinned to jackets.

A 4×4 draws slowly down the road ahead of them, trundling along in almost curb-crawling fashion towards the polling station before coming to a smooth halt by the curb opposite.

One of the Labour droogs raises his hand to acknowledge the driver and gives a cocky smile. His name is Tariq Mahmood, whom just earlier was pointed-out by an elderly resident (a Labour voter whom the group had mistaken as a Tory) for allegedly intimidating her and hurling verbal abuse when she had asked him why he was standing there.

Suddenly, out of nowhere, swathes of young Brits, but mainly Eastern Europeans – some of whom would later go on to state to me that they had been bullied or exploited, badgered or bought – are ushered into the car one by one by the smiling, enthusiastic, almost giddy rabble of Labour campaigners, many of whom had just hours earlier attempted to assault a Tory activist before driving around the city pelting anyone wearing the Tory colours with eggs.

The voters – many of whom don’t appear to even understand what it is they’ve come to vote for in the first place – each spend just a few moments in the vehicle with the driver and a Labour rep. They are then taken out and shown the way into the polling station to cast their votes.

They do so in their droves.

Among them, two young Polish girls laugh to each other at the clear absurdity of it all – coaxed on and reassured by Tariq; the ribbon on his rosette waiving in the cool evening air as he walks them half way up the path and sends them on in.

EXCLUSIVE BANG TO RIGHTS: Proof That Labour Are LYING About The Peterborough By-Election
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THE CITY of Peterborough – a dull, grey, bewilderingly worn-down English mock-metropolis, sinking in parts into the drained Fens of Cambridgeshire.

It is worn-down for a many number of reasons; unprecedented, perhaps unmanageable levels of immigration, the second-highest birthrate in the United Kingdom, the second-fastest growing population, an often wasteful City Council with amateurish ideas; all and more have forced the once quaint and quiet demi-city into rapidly and blindly growing into something that perhaps it was never intended to become and that, realistically, with things as they are, it can only ever hope to emulate.

Like other places of its ilk – glorified towns that narrowly scraped through the criteria required to pass off as official cities – the cramped city also suffers unknowingly from a detrimental confusion over its own identity.


The area of Millfield in central Peterborough.

For all intents and purposes, the unintentional multicultural experiment that is Peterborough – a developing city that do date has tried and failed to promote successful integration – is, in a nutshell, confused about its future and overwhelmed by its present circumstance. And it is, under these conditions, that various ‘darker sides’ to city life have been able to flourish unchecked.

The date is the 8th of June, 2017. Election day.

In a baffling decision to which the true reasons are perhaps still known only to her, Prime Minister Theresa May has called a snap election and it seems since then, up until this moment, has done everything in her power to lose it.

There is only an hour left to vote.

Outside a central Peterborough polling station, a street lamp flickers above a group of intimidating-looking men of Pakistani heritage – red rosettes pinned to jackets.

A 4×4 draws slowly down the road ahead of them, trundling along in almost curb-crawling fashion towards the polling station before coming to a smooth halt by the curb opposite.

One of the Labour droogs raises his hand to acknowledge the driver and gives a cocky smile. His name is Tariq Mahmood, whom just earlier was pointed-out by an elderly resident (a Labour voter whom the group had mistaken as a Tory) for allegedly intimidating her and hurling verbal abuse when she had asked him why he was standing there.

Suddenly, out of nowhere, swathes of young Brits, but mainly Eastern Europeans – some of whom would later go on to state to me that they had been bullied or exploited, badgered or bought – are ushered into the car one by one by the smiling, enthusiastic, almost giddy rabble of Labour campaigners, many of whom had just hours earlier attempted to assault a Tory activist before driving around the city pelting anyone wearing the Tory colours with eggs.

The voters – many of whom don’t appear to even understand what it is they’ve come to vote for in the first place – each spend just a few moments in the vehicle with the driver and a Labour rep. They are then taken out and shown the way into the polling station to cast their votes.

They do so in their droves.

Among them, two young Polish girls laugh to each other at the clear absurdity of it all – coaxed on and reassured by Tariq; the ribbon on his rosette waiving in the cool evening air as he walks them half way up the path and sends them on in.



Already that day, reports have been made to me by concerned residents that ‘they are buying the vote again’. By ‘they’, they mean the local Labour Party.

I stand there with others, watching the only too familiar scene as I call the police on my mobile phone. A few minutes into the call however, and the usual response/disinterested excuse is given: “We’re too busy at the moment. We’ll log it down. We’ll try to see if an officer can stop by, but I can’t promise anything”.

I hang up and watch, unable to stop it from happening, as once again another election is ‘allegedly’ fiddled by the same small group of cretins who have ‘allegedly’ been fiddling them for years. Vote-riggers, some call them. Democracy-deniers. ‘Ballot burglars’.

The count room that night has the usual electricity flying through the air, although this time with a greater intensity than felt at previous elections.

Then, just a few hours after the votes are counted, long-serving Tory MP and staunch Brexiteer Stewart Jackson is surprisingly unseated by under 700 votes, to the vile eruption of around a hundred young Labour rosette-wearing young men of Pakistani origin, and to wild chants of ‘Tory scum’ and ‘f*ck off back home to London you c*nt’. Among them, as always, is Tariq Mahmood – the ‘pleasant’ bald, goatee-sporting Labourite. He joins in with the uncontrollable gloating, turning his iPhone on himself and giving a cheeky smile and a wink.

The candidate he campaigned for, took endless photos with on the election trail, and who will eventually go on to become the first British MP to wear a police tag in the house of commons and the first to be booted-out by her constituents following a conviction for perverting the course of justice, has just won on a wave of suspicious votes, with over 13,000 postal votes being issued in that single election alone – a figure outdoing the national average by a long-shot.

Leaving the podium following her acceptance speech, she heads over to her central campaign team and thanks them, pausing for a moment to take a celebratory selfie with our dear friend, Tariq Mahmood.

Skip forward two years – past the widely publicized downfall of a politician who (in true Hillary Clinton style) chose to blame a random Russian for her speeding offence rather than just fessing up, taking the points, and carrying on as MP – and we arrive on the night of the 6th June, 2019.

Squeeze past the hundreds of members of the large Pakistani community (99% of them donned in red), and you’d have been ready (if the bookies were anything to go by) to watch the election of The Brexit Party’s Mike Greene.

But then, just as before, the leary mob erupt into vicious roars and cheers as Labour’s Lisa Forbes is surprisingly voted in by (as with Onasanya) a suspicious majority of under 700 votes to her name.

The following day she makes a visit to one of her campaign members, having herself snapped with a big smile beside one of her crucial campaigners; you guessed it; Tariq Mahmood.

But why is that so important? What is it about this Tariq Mahmood character that is worth a mention? And why is it that he seems to be the favourite choice for the past two successful Labour Parliamentary candidates to indulge in a joyous kodak moment?

As Politicalite exclusively reported, Tariq Mahmood isn’t just your average campaigner.

In 2008, Tariq Mahmood, now 51, was convicted alongside fellow Labour members Maqbool Hussein and former Peterborough Mayor Mohammed Choudhary for forgery over a devious scheme to fabricate votes for the Peterborough City Council election of June 2004.

The four-month case that saw Mahmood (a Labour Party Secretary) sentenced to a 15-month porridge stint cost the taxpayer a whopping £850,000.

“They were able to get hold of postal votes and proxy votes which belonged to voters in the Central Ward,” Prosecuting QC Anthony Leonard said. “They arranged for postal votes and ballot papers to be sent not to the voter but to addresses which each defendant was connected”.

Despite his proven lust for vote-rigging and disregard for British democracy (or perhaps because of it), Mahmood was quickly snapped up by the local Labour Party to “help” win the Parliamentary seat for Labour in 2017, in which Fiona Onasanya went on to beat popular incumbent Tory MP and (as I’ve mentioned) staunch Brexiteer Stewart Jackson by a mere 607 votes.

Mahmood was also found to have made extremist remarks on Facebook during the election campaign in which he alleged that Theresa May had been behind recent terrorist attacks, leaving many residents furious. He also called Sajid Javid a ‘coconut’ for having a Christian wife – a derogatory terms meaning ‘brown outside but white inside’ – sparking fury, gaining national attention, and even being condemned by Sajid himself inside the House of Commons.

“When are they ever going to get that man to f*ck off?” One angry local resident asked following the shocking result, that once again saw the national average for postal votes issued trounced (with over 10,000 sent out to voters, and curiously exactly 400 rejected during the count – we are supposed to believe due to the ‘fact’ that almost 400 residents suddenly developed amnesia and forgot their own dates of birth or signatures, for the votes were rejected due to not matching the details held on record). “He makes a complete mockery of democracy and the right to vote. It’s been the D-Day anniversary today – when soldiers died to protect our right to vote in a free country. Labour letting a criminal like him walk around opposing democracy is a p*ss take”.

As Politicalite began its investigation into the involvement of Tariq Mahmood, further allegations were made by two separate members of the Pakistani community. The two individuals – both of whom go against the local trend among his community by voting Conservative – claimed that local Mosque officials had not only told their congregations who to vote for, but had also ‘personally completed’ the postal votes of many local Muslim residents.

Within days, endless more accounts and dubious facts began to emerge.

During the election campaign, Jeremy Corbyn had visited the Peterborough constituency to campaign for Lisa Forbes. Their main focus fell on squeezing-out what has been nicknamed the ‘Muslim vote’, by visiting predominantly Pakistani areas of the city and schmoozing with local Imams.

Yet after the result was announced, and foul play called, Comrade Corbyn was forced to quickly distance himself from one of the fellow comrades he had spent most of his time around that day – Tariq Mahmood.

As social media joined the public outcry with calls of foul play – predominantly over the Labour Party’s suspicious hiring of a convicted fraudster on Forbes’ campaign, but also over the ridiculous number of postal votes both issued and rejected – so too did the local Labour team begin to distance themselves from the man whom the local Labourites call ‘Brother Tariq’.

‘He didn’t campaign with us whatsoever’ said a party official. ‘Tariq wasn’t at the count’ said others – a claim that eventually became the official party line.

But, luckily for us, ‘brother Tariq’ isn’t exactly the brightest of brothers. Nor, for a man with his reputation, is he the most discreet.

In fact, it seems that good old Tariq’s ego consistently gets the better of him – much to his own detriment.

For you see, he loves a good selfie does our Mahmood; snapping away throughout the campaigns he heavily engages in and unwittingly providing almost a step-by-step pixelated footprint of his activities and involvement in, well, just about everything; attending campaign rallies in his red rosette, sitting outside polling stations on the tellers seat for Labour, posing with Corbyn, showing him around local shops and businesses and introducing him to voters, standing shoulder-to-shoulder, hip-to-hip with his close chums, former and current local Labour leaders Mohammed Jamil and Shaz Nawaz.

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https://www.politicalite.com/exclusive/bang-to-rights-proof-that-labour-are-lying-about-the-peterborough-by-election/

Interesting what happens now?

Not really interesting-I thought that ramble was going to provide some sort of proof?

Yea it is interesting also interesting that Policalite is relatively new far right populist pro brexit , pro trump website that claims to speak for the forgotten people of Britain, it cousin across the Atlantic is Breitbart

Politicalite the latest on right wing grifters.

Brexit Party and Tories really wanna play a game where they are going to exclude many old voters  from voting?

Good luck to them

The Brexit party is to launch a formal legal challenge against the result of this month’s Peterborough byelection, where it was narrowly beaten by Labour, claiming that allegations of corruption connected to postal votes need to be investigated.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/24/brexit-party-peterborough-byelection-postal-vote

Did they come out and say properly it was the muslims yet?

Was it the muslims?

That is what they say. Should just come out with it rather than dogwhistling

Nothing to do with Muslims, it's about voter fraud.

Jun 24, 2019 -- 5:20PM, bigmo wrote:

Nothing to do with Muslims, it's about voter fraud.

Indeed,some find it difficult to judge equally proven time and time again on these forums using race/religion card as a distraction.

Jun 24, 2019 -- 5:20PM, bigmo wrote:

Nothing to do with Muslims, it's about voter fraud.

Said how long after you posted that wall of text

aaronh why are you touchy about muslims being judged like everyone else?

If the main protagonist in that piece was called David Smith you wouldn't have questioned it.

If the main protagonist was called David Smith, it wouldn't be full of dog whistle or be on a website like Politicalite

Jun 24, 2019 -- 5:51PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

aaronh why are you touchy about muslims being judged like everyone else?

I was just asking for them to be clear in what they meant instead of hinting at something

If the main protagonist was called David Smith, it wouldn't be full of dog whistle or be on a website like Politicalite

Well, bl00dy should be. It's not about race or colour,it's about Labour manipulating votes to win unfairly.

Let's keep hate out of it.

aaronh you were hoping for some kind of Islamaphobic slip up from a poster poor stuff,the reality is most people are honest enough to judge like for like and you struggle with this fact.
When you've only got race/religion as your argument you basically haven't got one when chatting to honest people.

Bigmo,you could ravish their daughters,kidnap their wives and shoot their kids (it happens in London) and the clowns would screech it was all right wing stitch up and you couldn't believe the media ! Waste of time bothering with the cultists.

anx,read my post again and you would,with a modicum of intelligence,understand I was saying it happened on the other side of the fence to Labour in the south east.Thats why I praise marginals as they watch each other closely and a hint of scandal can backfire.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48743742

I am not sure exactly what the Brexit Party can prove, if anything.

A man has been arrested in Brussels for preparing an attack on the US Ambassador to Belgium. No description or name given.....not required, really.


And it's Mormons!

Only kidding it's a roper.