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01 Jun 19
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It won't be long before the channel looks like the M25 with the gridlock that these migrant boats will cause .THERE WILL HAVE TO CHARGE A CONGESTION TAX BEFORE VERY LONG
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There's even bill boards with Manchester welcomes all
The bloke who brings them, probably goes back to pick up some more, probably for a charge
Where is Francis Drake when we need him, probably playing bowls again
Where is Francis Drake when we need him, probably playing bowls again
This is also true there's a African old lady who rings a bell all day walking around Piccadilly shouting God loves you .I only noticed her 2 weeks ago. This week whereas there with 3 singers I don't know if they were her friends or relatives .
That's the bad news but the good news is that they had no bells and they had big big smiles on their faces and were dancing as they sang .
That's the bad news but the good news is that they had no bells and they had big big smiles on their faces and were dancing as they sang .
This is also true there's a African old lady who rings a bell all day walking around Piccadilly shouting God loves you .I only noticed her 2 weeks ago. This week whereas there with 3 singers I don't know if they were her friends or relatives .
That's the bad news but the good news is that they had no bells and they had big big smiles on their faces and were dancing as they sang .
That's the bad news but the good news is that they had no bells and they had big big smiles on their faces and were dancing as they sang .
This is also true there's a African old lady who rings a bell all day walking around Piccadilly shouting God loves you .I only noticed her 2 weeks ago. This week whereas there with 3 singers I don't know if they were her friends or relatives .
That's the bad news but the good news is that they had no bells and they had big big smiles on their faces and were dancing as they sang .
That's the bad news but the good news is that they had no bells and they had big big smiles on their faces and were dancing as they sang .
We've got the mozenbique stringed orchestra playing outside primark
I saw a lot more boats than that when I went on holiday last year to the Isle of Wight.
We've got the Serengeti drum ensombalie playing some of their favourite tunes and encouraging the public to request any numbers they like
The Algerian accordian players can be seen out side Debenhams but if you want to see them come quick because I'm sure they will move if Debenhams closes down
We've got the mongoleese sitar quartet ..whose relations sells kebabs as well as pirate cassettes of star wars and Titanic and toy story just to mentions few
We've got the Kenyan tuba players outside McDonald's who welcome all ages to put money in their fez
We've got the Tunisian spoon players .who do a wonderful performance of when the red red robin comes Bob Bob bobbin along
We've got the Tunisian spoon players .who do a wonderful performance of when the red red robin comes Bob Bob bobbin along
I thought it was quite funny today ... they were showing the fans in Madrid on the news. I noticed walking around with them was a lucky lucky man trying to flog the crappiest red hats you've ever seen.
I bet he had the P1ss ripped out of him
I bet he had the P1ss ripped out of him
I also thought we had the Egyptian rope climbing flute player out side signet the jewellers but found out he was a burgler with mental
Problems trying to climb his way in
Problems trying to climb his way in
I also thought we had the Egyptian rope climbing flute player out side signet the jewellers but found out he was a burgler with mental
Problems trying to climb his way in
Problems trying to climb his way in
The Pakistani harp players of longsight can be seen in exchange square playing favourite tunes from bollywood musicals most days(they choose to play for the more affluent crowds who have proper shopping bags than them who carry carrier bags for life)
Then there's the Sudanese violin players who stand in Piccadilly gardens near the fountains playing Hollywood love themes
They have a huge following albeit most are those who've had too much to drink and lie on the grass and drink while they appreciate their music and sing along
They have a huge following albeit most are those who've had too much to drink and lie on the grass and drink while they appreciate their music and sing along
The Gambian bag pipe players have a big following also (mainly women) .most don't come to listen to their music their just there hoping the wind gets up so they can see what's up the Gambian kilts. They play outside boots the chemist .I could go on all day but I won't
Them Lib-Tards will get them the vote before the next referendum
on where should the English move to as London is not English anymore
on where should the English move to as London is not English anymore
Global Warming + Encourage Great Whites to breed in the channel, and stick up warning signs and roll "Jaws" on big screens on French beaches.
Why see GW as all bad, in some ways it's an opportunity!
Why see GW as all bad, in some ways it's an opportunity!
You will have to 'get with it' They don't call it Global Warming anymore. Climate Change is the buzz word
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:09PM, detraveller wrote:
What is the source of this information diddy?
I wish some people would get with it.
Don't know how to do a search - I ask you!
Don't know how to do a search - I ask you!
As word gets around about whats on offer here more and more will come .it's obvious .i go to Manchester city center every Friday and the numbers entering are mind-blowing .I didn't need to read about the 13 boats of the Kent coast.im surprised the mail even reported it .it's an ARMY of fit young Muslim men .this is what we're up against if there's any trouble .and as these numbers increase dramatically day after day .then later all those here will want lots of their family and friends to follow .
All these living in these nice areas where it hasn't affected them much yet are in for a rude awakening when they find out it will affect them when the hard-line Muslims come in and demand the laws of the Koran are fulfilled .
The laws of the Koran must be followed by all not just them that live in the inner cities BUT ALL .WHen the become the majority the hard line followers will demand that the Islamic way of life and Sharia law is implemented and enforced
All these living in these nice areas where it hasn't affected them much yet are in for a rude awakening when they find out it will affect them when the hard-line Muslims come in and demand the laws of the Koran are fulfilled .
The laws of the Koran must be followed by all not just them that live in the inner cities BUT ALL .WHen the become the majority the hard line followers will demand that the Islamic way of life and Sharia law is implemented and enforced
The avalanche hasn't happened yet .you may think it has but it's just a drop in the ocean of what's going to happen .I see enough in Manchester with my eyes to see that this surge is getting bigger and bigger each day
A pal of mine phoned his doctors to make an appointment and was told there were none available as they were fully booked.
That is what we've come to through over population.
That is what we've come to through over population.
It's a joke same at my doctor's .
They say TheVE got a pain in their back and they think it's typhoid or malaria and they get an appointment within hours they play the system
They say TheVE got a pain in their back and they think it's typhoid or malaria and they get an appointment within hours they play the system
* The "No it isn't" was in response to the untrue claim that over population is responsible for the lack of Doctor's appointments.
Incredible SF to say that overpopulation has nothing to do with not being able to get a doctors appointment.
Go to the maternity wards and see who fill the beds .go to the doctors in the inner cities and see the patients origins. Too many people using the services on offer .those who paid into the system didn't pay for half the world to use our services .we paid for ourselves and families and like minded people
We didn't pay for money to be spent on interpreters and economic migrants .we pay for own medical insurance when we visit other countries
There's lots of causes like you say but THE MAIN REASON IS MILLIONS OF NON PAYING ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS CLOGGING UP AND USING THE N H S .WHICH WE HAVE PAID FOR
We didn't pay for money to be spent on interpreters and economic migrants .we pay for own medical insurance when we visit other countries
There's lots of causes like you say but THE MAIN REASON IS MILLIONS OF NON PAYING ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS CLOGGING UP AND USING THE N H S .WHICH WE HAVE PAID FOR
If there's one billion pounds put aside for cancer treatment and there's 60million people instead of 56 million people then there's less to spend per head
If you paid for something and then was told that you would have to share it with an economic immigrant you would soon have something to say .
Just because it's the n h s people don't think they own it they think the government owns it and pays for it WE THE PEOPLE WHOS PAID FOR IT OWN IT ..
AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD WE LET THIS JEWEL IN THE CROWN BE USED AND DESTROYED BY AN INFLUX OF ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS WHO THINK ITS THEIR RIGHT TO USE AND ABUSE OUR SYSTEM
If you paid for something and then was told that you would have to share it with an economic immigrant you would soon have something to say .
Just because it's the n h s people don't think they own it they think the government owns it and pays for it WE THE PEOPLE WHOS PAID FOR IT OWN IT ..
AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD WE LET THIS JEWEL IN THE CROWN BE USED AND DESTROYED BY AN INFLUX OF ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS WHO THINK ITS THEIR RIGHT TO USE AND ABUSE OUR SYSTEM
Overcrowding will be a huge problem as it`s not a large city. Not good.
It's long been an International Health Service, funded by nationals but free to anyone who wants to abuse it.
If we got rid of thr nhs and got a reduction in our tax to buy health insurance would be a better way that way they only get paid for the work they do and half the worlds low lifes would not be making their way here
When I asked for source I meant who is confirming the number of boats or migrants. Anyhow, it seems its the border force that quoted that number.
Do you people ever wonder how these people can make it to the shore undetected? Do you believe it when the news says a certain amount of migrants made it to the shore undetected? Do you know what it means when the news says the border patrol 'rescued' a certain number of migrant boats?
Do you people ever wonder how these people can make it to the shore undetected? Do you believe it when the news says a certain amount of migrants made it to the shore undetected? Do you know what it means when the news says the border patrol 'rescued' a certain number of migrant boats?
Can the rescuers not take them back to france, negating the trip in the first place? Bringing them where they want to go obviously just encourages them.
(Same goes for Libya).
(Same goes for Libya).
There aren't any rescuers here. There are only people in the sea tasked to ensure these people get to their destination safely.
The same thing happened in 2016. The Italian Navy kept 'rescuing' migrants.
The govt feeds you information. You start whining. There might have been a single boat. There might have been a hundred boats. There may have been thousands of boats already this year. But all of a sudden out of nowhere people are concerned about 13 boats. Why? Because that's what the media just fed them.
Germany took a million migrants. That number could have been three million or five million. But people were only told about the one million. So people only complain about the one million. That is the nature of the general public. They only criticize the govt on the information the govt feeds them.
What has been more bothering to me however is that no one ever bothers to ask the authorities why or even how this is happening. How is it even possible that these boats make it to the shore undetected? In 2016, while the libyan boats were entering Europe every day, there was a news item about Russia smuggling oil and weapons through EU waters. No one ever bothered to inquire how we can detect that but not migrant ships. All people worried about was why are there only young men among the refugees, why do they have iphones in their hands etc etc. The same is happening now in the UK, and people still can't see past the africans they see in the paddy shop(not targeted at the person who posted that above).
The same thing happened in 2016. The Italian Navy kept 'rescuing' migrants.
The govt feeds you information. You start whining. There might have been a single boat. There might have been a hundred boats. There may have been thousands of boats already this year. But all of a sudden out of nowhere people are concerned about 13 boats. Why? Because that's what the media just fed them.
Germany took a million migrants. That number could have been three million or five million. But people were only told about the one million. So people only complain about the one million. That is the nature of the general public. They only criticize the govt on the information the govt feeds them.
What has been more bothering to me however is that no one ever bothers to ask the authorities why or even how this is happening. How is it even possible that these boats make it to the shore undetected? In 2016, while the libyan boats were entering Europe every day, there was a news item about Russia smuggling oil and weapons through EU waters. No one ever bothered to inquire how we can detect that but not migrant ships. All people worried about was why are there only young men among the refugees, why do they have iphones in their hands etc etc. The same is happening now in the UK, and people still can't see past the africans they see in the paddy shop(not targeted at the person who posted that above).
Jun 2, 2019 -- 10:40PM, Just Checking wrote:
Can the rescuers not take them back to france, negating the trip in the first place? Bringing them where they want to go obviously just encourages them. (Same goes for Libya).
The short answer is, if the purpose was to send them back, there wouldn't be a 'rescue' in the first place.
It's pretty much like patrolling a shop looking for shoplifters and if you catch them, you take them to the front of the shop and help put the items they wanted in their pockets and pat them on the arse and send them on their way. Giving people exactly what they want is not exactly going to to disincentivise them.
In the case of migrants, its not a case of shoplifting but a case of them not being allowed in the shop in the first place. The fact that they are in your shop should be questioned, not that they are stealing. That might well be their national sport.
People can enter a shop for no reason. Maybe even just to enjoy the heating for a few minutes because its too cold outside. But people cannot enter national territory for no reason, especially when they don't even have the right documents. The fact that they are being allowed to enter should be questioned, not their behavior afterwards.
If you whine all day about people not allowed in your shop stealing your stuff, but you never ask the guard at the door why he's letting them in, then you are the perfect example of how the public behaves. You criticize what you see and what directly affects you(your goods being stolen), without asking the person supposed to protect you why he isn't doing his job.
People can enter a shop for no reason. Maybe even just to enjoy the heating for a few minutes because its too cold outside. But people cannot enter national territory for no reason, especially when they don't even have the right documents. The fact that they are being allowed to enter should be questioned, not their behavior afterwards.
If you whine all day about people not allowed in your shop stealing your stuff, but you never ask the guard at the door why he's letting them in, then you are the perfect example of how the public behaves. You criticize what you see and what directly affects you(your goods being stolen), without asking the person supposed to protect you why he isn't doing his job.
Anyhow, we all know how it ends. At some point people stop complaining because they're given something new to complain about.
The International Financing of Engineered Migration ...
https://youtu.be/RkTxyHqkTi4
https://youtu.be/RkTxyHqkTi4
If I had written, "there's none so blind etc..." you'd have accused me of abusive language or somesuch, akabula.
Anyway:
https://fullfact.org/health/how-much-does-uk-recover-health-costs-eu/
Less than a 0.7% impact on the NHS budget.
Also a 10% increase on population (talking about "origins" of patients, is plain wrong, btw) isn't as harmful as the 60+% cuts to the NHS in living memory, but you're so busy being political, that the media line and a few like-minded mates is paramount.
No-one ever mentions that 362,000 hospital beds in 1979 is down to 160,000 hospital beds in 2018. This isn't the problem is it?
So it's "right back at ya" with the not seeing stuff comment.
Anyway:
https://fullfact.org/health/how-much-does-uk-recover-health-costs-eu/
Less than a 0.7% impact on the NHS budget.
Also a 10% increase on population (talking about "origins" of patients, is plain wrong, btw) isn't as harmful as the 60+% cuts to the NHS in living memory, but you're so busy being political, that the media line and a few like-minded mates is paramount.
No-one ever mentions that 362,000 hospital beds in 1979 is down to 160,000 hospital beds in 2018. This isn't the problem is it?
So it's "right back at ya" with the not seeing stuff comment.
So this cut in hospital beds accounts for the delay in getting a doctors appointment which was the original point? 
We cannot let them drown if we can save them, that is inhumane
Detaining them and then returning them to their original country seems the best idea to me?
They can plead for asylum, but must have a good case.
We can try returning them to France but doubt they would accept them, and they would probably try to reach us again anyway.
Detaining them and then returning them to their original country seems the best idea to me?
They can plead for asylum, but must have a good case.
We can try returning them to France but doubt they would accept them, and they would probably try to reach us again anyway.
France has zero interest in taking back anyone. Just like Britain has zero interest in taking back anyone that leaves for France.
true detravellerA lot of these people have already risked their lives getting across the Mediterranean.
They come from countries destabilised by war, and with no hope for the future.
But we cannot allow unlimited immigration, it is placing too much strain on our own infrastructure.
It may be cruel, but so is life, survival of the fittest, our governments first responsibility is to the
people who already live and work in this country.
akabula.
The MASSIVE ongoing cuts, year after year, of which the hospital beds is just one thing that's easiest to find.
And as I wrote, but most of which you chose to ignore:
It's what we've come to after 60% of hospital beds have been scrapped in 40 years, and nearly all the country's cottage hospitals have been closed or sold off, and ambulance stations have been closed, ambulances run by private companies, and huge amounts of the NHS land has been sold to private enterprise, and GP's have become triage operatives, walk-in centres virtually all closed and fortunes lost to "Trusts" and their managers. A&E's decimated (literally), billions squandered on failed computer systems and so many other government driven problems. All cuts year on year for 40 years.
and the resulting extra pressure which has subsequently been foisted upon GPs. Or do you think that those who can't get to hospitals easily don't go to the doctor instead?
Doctors aren't blaming the problems on population, THEY blame it on government. I'd rather believe doctors than the Mail.
The Mail/Govt/NHS managers, are all happy to blame immigrants, population, pensioners, smoking, anything that keeps them in money and work.
The MASSIVE ongoing cuts, year after year, of which the hospital beds is just one thing that's easiest to find.
And as I wrote, but most of which you chose to ignore:
It's what we've come to after 60% of hospital beds have been scrapped in 40 years, and nearly all the country's cottage hospitals have been closed or sold off, and ambulance stations have been closed, ambulances run by private companies, and huge amounts of the NHS land has been sold to private enterprise, and GP's have become triage operatives, walk-in centres virtually all closed and fortunes lost to "Trusts" and their managers. A&E's decimated (literally), billions squandered on failed computer systems and so many other government driven problems. All cuts year on year for 40 years.
and the resulting extra pressure which has subsequently been foisted upon GPs. Or do you think that those who can't get to hospitals easily don't go to the doctor instead?
Doctors aren't blaming the problems on population, THEY blame it on government. I'd rather believe doctors than the Mail.
The Mail/Govt/NHS managers, are all happy to blame immigrants, population, pensioners, smoking, anything that keeps them in money and work.
Given that then isn't it stupid not to have controls on immigration?
In years gone by immigrants coming to this country were motivated by work.
ie they could improve their living standards here whilst contributing.
Nowadays they are motivated in the main by benefits and contribute nothing.
In years gone by immigrants coming to this country were motivated by work.
ie they could improve their living standards here whilst contributing.
Nowadays they are motivated in the main by benefits and contribute nothing.
Nowadays they are motivated in the main by benefits and contribute nothing
Where do you get this information? Is it factual?
I have no desire to see mas immigration, but I won't blame it on all our problems.
Perhaps there would be fewer refugees if our government stopped selling arms to the regimes that make them refugees in the first place!
Where do you get this information? Is it factual?
I have no desire to see mas immigration, but I won't blame it on all our problems.
Perhaps there would be fewer refugees if our government stopped selling arms to the regimes that make them refugees in the first place!
The BMA must take some blame for the lack of doctors, twice in recent years they advised the government to reduce the number of training places. One of the reasons was to avoid over supply, believe it or not.
Look at the migrants we took in at the height of the crisis.
Over 100 went to the Isle of Bute. How many job vacancies are there on Bute?
None with plenty of locals having to work away.
All went straight on benefits with private housing bought to house them despite the waiting list for locals.
This was multiplied thousands of times throughout the UK.
We should only be taking people who have jobs to go to and will contribute immediately.
Australia and Canada used this criteria when they started the assisted passage scheme in the 50s/60s and still do.
Over 100 went to the Isle of Bute. How many job vacancies are there on Bute?
None with plenty of locals having to work away.
All went straight on benefits with private housing bought to house them despite the waiting list for locals.
This was multiplied thousands of times throughout the UK.
We should only be taking people who have jobs to go to and will contribute immediately.
Australia and Canada used this criteria when they started the assisted passage scheme in the 50s/60s and still do.
Again, mostly not true, not accurate. But headlines sell papers, sell advertising.
https://fullfact.org/economy/one-born-every-minute-how-many-migrants-arrive-uk-and-how-many-children-do-they-have/
https://fullfact.org/online/pensioners-refugees-illegal-immigrants/
https://fullfact.org/economy/one-born-every-minute-how-many-migrants-arrive-uk-and-how-many-children-do-they-have/
https://fullfact.org/online/pensioners-refugees-illegal-immigrants/
The ones they tell you about are the ones they sometimes tell you about .I bet there's 50times the amount that they don't catch
These figs mean absolutely nothing they say there's 100 drunk drivers caught as Xmas etc but there's probably 5000 who TheVE not stopped
There comeing in from every where .the somalian parachute club has had all its parachutes stolen
There's record numbers comeing in every single day sir any inner city and open your eyes
These figs mean absolutely nothing they say there's 100 drunk drivers caught as Xmas etc but there's probably 5000 who TheVE not stopped
There comeing in from every where .the somalian parachute club has had all its parachutes stolen
There's record numbers comeing in every single day sir any inner city and open your eyes
9- 10 are crocodile and zulu men and women wood statute sellers
For years and years and years when I used to go abroad they were every where saying they wish they could get to England well now the government's invited them all
And they used to hang outside the gates of all inclusive hotels asking you if they could be your guide . Lots are working now in London
Showing you where Birmingham palace is and the bungalows of parliament and little Ben
And maple arch .and the tower of londonstan and madam tusauds wwx works .and the bank of Englishmen .and the London Palladium bingo hall
For years and years and years when I used to go abroad they were every where saying they wish they could get to England well now the government's invited them all
And they used to hang outside the gates of all inclusive hotels asking you if they could be your guide . Lots are working now in London
Showing you where Birmingham palace is and the bungalows of parliament and little Ben
And maple arch .and the tower of londonstan and madam tusauds wwx works .and the bank of Englishmen .and the London Palladium bingo hall
9- 10 are crocodile and zulu men and women wood statute sellers
For years and years and years when I used to go abroad they were every where saying they wish they could get to England well now the government's invited them all
And they used to hang outside the gates of all inclusive hotels asking you if they could be your guide . Lots are working now in London
Showing you where Birmingham palace is and the bungalows of parliament and little Ben
And maple arch .and the tower of londonstan and madam tusauds wwx works .and the bank of Englishmen .and the London Palladium bingo hall
For years and years and years when I used to go abroad they were every where saying they wish they could get to England well now the government's invited them all
And they used to hang outside the gates of all inclusive hotels asking you if they could be your guide . Lots are working now in London
Showing you where Birmingham palace is and the bungalows of parliament and little Ben
And maple arch .and the tower of londonstan and madam tusauds wwx works .and the bank of Englishmen .and the London Palladium bingo hall
There comeing in from every where .the somalian parachute club has had all its parachutes stolen 
You mean they are now parachuting in now do wah
If we look at individual countries, people tend to migrate to the places which are most prosperous ie the cities
What is happening now, is we live in a world where people from poorer countries migrate to the richer countries, the same principle.
The effect of this is the more prosperous countries will become much more mixed race.
You mean they are now parachuting in now do wah
If we look at individual countries, people tend to migrate to the places which are most prosperous ie the cities
What is happening now, is we live in a world where people from poorer countries migrate to the richer countries, the same principle.
The effect of this is the more prosperous countries will become much more mixed race.
@Studyform
Akabula is right. The biggest motivation for these people is free money, except the few deserving that do indeed flee war. I know this because I talked to hundreds of them during their registration in Germany. At that time people were on about how the muslims are invading Europe because it says so in the koran or how koran tells them to breed their way to dominance etc etc. There were even posters here like moisok who were posting verses from the koran and whenever i'd tell them that these people aren't motivated by religion but by free money they'd call me a muslim apoligist. No one then was willing to believe that the govt is importing them. That's why it was so easy to do it back then.
There is also a mafia that controls these routes. This mafia is backed by politicians of the areas these immigrants come through. Everyone pays a fee. In 2016, Pakistani refugees told me it only took 15 days to move from Pakistan to Germany. In 2017 there was an incident in Iran(or maybe border with Pakistan) where about two dozen people were found dead in a container. The families of these people told the media that they had given money to human smugglers to arrange the journey to Europe. At that time the money was equal to about 800 euros. This is how low the fees had become because every smuggler knew they had control of the territory till Greece and after that Germany wasn't leaving anyone unattended anyways.
Akabula is right. The biggest motivation for these people is free money, except the few deserving that do indeed flee war. I know this because I talked to hundreds of them during their registration in Germany. At that time people were on about how the muslims are invading Europe because it says so in the koran or how koran tells them to breed their way to dominance etc etc. There were even posters here like moisok who were posting verses from the koran and whenever i'd tell them that these people aren't motivated by religion but by free money they'd call me a muslim apoligist. No one then was willing to believe that the govt is importing them. That's why it was so easy to do it back then.
There is also a mafia that controls these routes. This mafia is backed by politicians of the areas these immigrants come through. Everyone pays a fee. In 2016, Pakistani refugees told me it only took 15 days to move from Pakistan to Germany. In 2017 there was an incident in Iran(or maybe border with Pakistan) where about two dozen people were found dead in a container. The families of these people told the media that they had given money to human smugglers to arrange the journey to Europe. At that time the money was equal to about 800 euros. This is how low the fees had become because every smuggler knew they had control of the territory till Greece and after that Germany wasn't leaving anyone unattended anyways.
People used to go to Calais and fill their boot with cheap cigs and booze and smuggle them in .now they've found out it's more profitable to fill their boot with immigrants .especially thin ones
Akabula is right. The biggest motivation for these people is free money, except the few deserving that do indeed flee war.
is anybody in our society any different detravellar, I doubt it
Still it is our country. but we must fight to protect it, so who wants it most
Nothing is given is Ruiz showed Anthony Joshua on Saturday night, yes we have to fight to defend ourselves or we are lost
is anybody in our society any different detravellar, I doubt it
Still it is our country. but we must fight to protect it, so who wants it most
Nothing is given is Ruiz showed Anthony Joshua on Saturday night, yes we have to fight to defend ourselves or we are lost
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