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Those Hoping for a 2nd referendum
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There will be huge consequences if you take either of those options so doing the one you think is best for the country would be a better idea.
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I think we leave Europe and become the chief middle man between USA and China, our New best friends.
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Indeed there would be significant consequences, there are also consequences of continuing to drift aimlessly as we presently are.
I do not pretend to have all, or any, of the definitive answers, and nobody has a solution that will satisfy all. So what is best for the country? I would suggest that leaving the EU without knowing what your are leaving to do is not in the best interest of the country. |
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the queens been bit once by mrs mays lies about a stable government
a new tory leader telling the queen they can form a government around a no deal scenario ,where 2,3 tory mp,s against it blows the government apart is for the birds, imo |
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alun2005 25 May 19 14:47
I can't wait to see the UK Voter Turnout statistics. In particular the number of votes cast for politicians OTHER than UKIP and the Brexit Party representatives. EVERY Remainer would surely have voted against UKIP/Brexit Party, given their much-stated and oft-repeated (Pretendy) LOVE of the European Union. Right? 65% |
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Pause and reflect.
If you want to have a subsequent referendum, then you can. If you want to have a general election, then you can. But first, take away the ticking clock that has paralysed the function of government and get back to doing some governing. A subsequent referendum would be another cointoss (if it was a pure In / Out vote), satisfying noboldy or gerrymandered to give an obviously flawed result in the case of any other options. A General Election has appeal. The flaw is that, as with last time, it wouldn't be all about Brexit but, paradoxically that is also it's strength. It would force parties to articulate not only their stance on Brexit but on their vision of the country after Brexit or (I'm guessing in the case of Lib Dems or Smallchange UK if they are still going next week) Unilaterally remaining in the EU. That would be very interesting. It would force Brexit to become a grown-up party rather than a vehicle for protest and it would force the Lib Dems to say a) how they think Britain's future in the EU would go after we've caused all this trouble - our rebate? Our adherance to the £? Our Schengen opt out? and b) the effect of cancelling democracy for 17.4 million eople on social cohesion and law and order? It would also force Labour and Conservatives to p1$$ or get off the pot |
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I think leave would win by more
The fact the remain lot are applying some ridiculous logic that clearly doesn't exist tells me they are petrified, watching the BBC entertain that last night was cringe worthy all the other parties combined are now a super duper coalition remain party? you can't distinguish between a "remainer" voting for tories and someone who is voting for them because they are their lifelong party, some will never betray the party they have voted for all their life, they are to loyal at that point But let the remain lot have their little illogical argument Brexit Party is sending loads of MEPs, but the fact still remains we shouldn't be there ffs |
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The remain voters had more reason to vote this time round ,the leave voters had more reason to vote in 2016 so would think it comes in around maybe 54-46 remain this time so remainers get a 2nd ref and win 52-48.AH the Scots now demand another ref would not be abl to refuse this now and they vote to leave the UK,calls now for another ref on the EU as it now 55-45 leave vote.
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its not rocket science leavers don't want a 2nd reff and the tory,s don't want a GE, and theres a simple reason for both, but both leavers and torys will tell you its undemocratic to find out the simple reason
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If there was another vote leave would win absolutely guaranteed
 There's no way remain win now and its actually them that don't want the vote again, in case people haven't noticed its a bunch of remainers running the damn show down there in westwinster |
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if you take the view as people keep telling us labour brexiteer voters left the party in droves that gives Brexit supporting parties 40% at best on yesterdays vote 12% less than the reff ,take those out who don't want to leave without a deal its probably sub 35% and that's with a one policy Brexit party with a simple one party one policy message
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One thing that strikes me as odd increasingly so at every election these days, is big halls filled with people sitting at trestle tables counting thousands of bits of paper by hand.
Why on earth, in this day and age, can't voting be done online? Not only would this allow far more people to vote easily without having to traipse to a local polling station (not to mention the tens of thousands that aren't at home on election day, and don't organise themselves enough to get a postal or proxy vote), but also results could be declared pretty much instantly as soon as polls close. Just issue each registered voter with a one-time code that they use to record their vote. Will cut down on some of the multiple frauds we've seen in certain constituencies. Surely it's the way forward. Or hasn't the last twenty years happened to the political decision makers? |
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dear god don't advocate for everything to go online. the technology really isn't there yet.
the internet is still in its infancy |
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This is what i think would happen
As i said above 2016 it was in the leavers interest to come out and vote(remainers thought it was a no brainer) this time round it was in the remainers interest to come out and vote and as yougov came out and said at this election the heavy leave areas of the country did not vote same as remainers last time And look at Scotland if they do for any reason get independence leave would win comfortably |
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The only thing that is clear in this almighty mess, is that there is not a simple solution, no matter how much certain individuals wish to tell you that there is.
A second referendum would create untold devise debate, the process of attempting to arrive at the question to be put to the electorate would be carnage. We would see more of the same one eyed behaviours that plight UK political discussion, various parties arguing their case, unwilling or unable to acknowledge the merits of alternatives. After that process, you would be guaranteed to have dissatisfaction with any result that it produced. As for a general election, it is difficult to imagine that it wouldn't result in a hung parliament. Anyway, I was digging around last week, researching the results of past general elections, when memories of James Goldsmith's Referendum party were reignited. I'd forgotten all about him, picked up 2.6% of the popular vote way back in 1997 when Tony Blair swept to power in a landslide 177 majority victory for Labour. A bit of trivia for you regarding Jimmy courtesy of Wikipedia: He received his formal education at Millfield, and Eton College, which he left early in 1949 at the age of 16, after winning a horse racing bet of £10 on a three-horsed accumulator Lewes, winning £8,000 (equivalent to about £262,000 in March 2017).[7] With his winnings he decided that he should leave Eton immediately; in a speech at his boarding house he declared that, "a man of my means should not remain a schoolboy!" |
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2 myths put out daily by leavers heard francois,baker continue the myth in last 24hrs
1,eu agreed a Canada style free trade deal not a shred of evidence to prove this and eu always insisted any deal follows agreement on a withdrawl bill, and only thing agreed in commons malthouse agreement might have been agreed between tory,s but laughed out of court by eu and just a smokescreen used by may and whips to keep illusion of agreement in commons going, for eu,s benefit |