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21 May 19
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Main Story: Jamie Oliver's overpriced and small portioned pasta cafes might fold. The horror. Long story.
Second Story: British Steel might well fold, 1000s of industrial jobs, total of 25,000 jobs including supply chain apparently endangered. Shorter story.
It this perhaps due to the fact a large reason they are in cashflow trouble is apparently due to having to stump up a huge carbon emissions bill to the BBCs love the EU (that we were supposed to have left) and the always reasonable EU withholding any carbon credits in the meantime?
Second Story: British Steel might well fold, 1000s of industrial jobs, total of 25,000 jobs including supply chain apparently endangered. Shorter story.
It this perhaps due to the fact a large reason they are in cashflow trouble is apparently due to having to stump up a huge carbon emissions bill to the BBCs love the EU (that we were supposed to have left) and the always reasonable EU withholding any carbon credits in the meantime?
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Which shows The BBC controllers have more in common with Jamie Oliver than they have with 25,000 industrial workers.
The BBC must consider Jamie Oliver is more important. I suppose they never get free lunches or go to free parties with industrial workers. And who knows what else? They see industrial workers as only being there to fund the license fee. And if they don't fund it someone else will. The BBC as strong supporters of the EU will always play down the EU's role in BS's demise. This is a fair example of how BBC misspend money taken from taxpayers, and further evidence that they need to be taken down a peg or two. |
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one in admin, t'other not in admin
which to cover first? |
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Sadly, we live in a celebrity obsessed world. Your average punter is more interested in Jamie Oliver than British Steel.
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Newsnight opened tonight with,’2 iconic British industries are in jeopardy tonight,British steel & Jamie Oliver’s restaurant chain,then asked why more weight was given to the loss of manufacturing jobs than hospitality jobs.interesting.
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BBC is lost cause now.
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The BBC also have a clear political agenda which is disturbing for a publicly funded service.
Many say it should be broken up and sold off. But who would buy it when it's so overstaffed and wasteful? Probably better to keep cutting it back, then eventually close it down. |
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The BBC has received funding from the EU
£2.3million in funding came from the European Union in three years, from the EU Framework Programme for Research and Development projects. The money has been used for things like ultra-high definition filming and 3D broadcasting. Worth bearing in mind when considering the impartiality of the BBC re its Brexit coverage |
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Whilst not an insignificant sum, the BBC collected £3.7 billion in licence fees in 2013/14 plus a further £1.3 billion of commercial income from other sources. To imagine that an infrastructure of pro EU bias has been put in place as a result of the receipt of a £2.3 million grant is somewhat fanciful.
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british steel now headline news having gone bust
jamie wrapping fish and chips |
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British steel wants a paltry £30m from the Govt. I've listened to a number of news reports on this.
Not one journalist has asked the question: 'Why won't banks lend them £30m?' |
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It is. Banks won't lend if they think the borrower will default! Yet the media and the local MP seem to expect the Govt to step in.
We could always price Chinese steel out of the market, but then that would be Trumpesque and deeply unpopular with his haters. |
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Then it's a very simple question to answer.
Btw, the government should bail them out |
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It's not £30 million though is it?
That's the amount needed to bail them out now, then further £s to bail them out in future. Which will be more likely due to the fact they know the government will continue bailing them out. With massive amounts of steel needed for HS2, makes you wonder what's going wrong. |
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aaronh so so do you think we should keep enter a tariff war with Chinese steel?
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government could have bought their steel for rebuilding of parliament
instead chose brazilian stuff...ls it better to keep brazilians in jobs than british workers? |
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Globalism says yes.
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The rules say yes.
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Presumably, even if we wanted to, we can't put higher tariffs on Chinese steel while we are in the EU.
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Renovation of the Big Ben clock tower - one of Britain’s most iconic landmarks - is being carried out using steel from Germany, Brazil and the United Arab Emirates.
A Parliamentary question about the conservation of the Elizabeth Tower which houses the bell known as Big Ben revealed that the huge steel scaffolding around the building uses foreign steel. MP Stephen Kinnock, whose Aberavon constituency is home to Tata’s giant Port Talbot steel plant, questioned the House of Commons Commission about the project which is expected to cost £61m and see the famous bell silenced for four years. |
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MP Stephen Kinnock, whose Aberavon constituency is home to Tata’s giant Port Talbot steel plant, questioned the House of Commons Commission about the project which is expected to cost £61m and see the famous bell silenced for four years.
Is that Big Ben or Stephen Kinnock you're talking about? |
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I was wondering how much steel would be needed to repair an old building made of stone and the answer is, it's to do with Stephen Kinnock, a prize p1llock who makes his loser of a a father look competent.
Hey Donny, thanks to the internet we can all read the rest of that article. Why did you omit this bit from the EXACT story you copy/pasted from: http://vectornews.eu/news/business/53445-big-ben-refurbishment-delivers-blow-to-british-steel-industry.html "A Parliamentary spokesman said: "The origin of the majority of the steel on the scaffolding of the Elizabeth Tower is British and all the steelwork structures have been assembled in the UK. However, due to the quantity and size of the components required, it has been necessary to source some steel from overseas suppliers.” Could put less of an anti-tory "spin" on it I guess? |
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If we had left the EU by now, UK could have given preferential tax relief on energy which was,apparently a big factor in failure to continue with an outstanding energy bill of some size to pay.They might also have been able to negotiate a separate trade deal with China to reduce imports or charge tariffs to prevent dumping steel bound for USA until Trump acted.They could also have given preferential access to UK markets for our own steelmaking such as MOD ships,etc. But no,our MP's want to stay in the EU and protect financial jobs in London.And they wonder why UK voted to Leave !
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all the scaffolding has been assembled in the uk
spin ....very much so where else would scaffolding around a london tower be assembled? seriously [:crazy: |
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how come the germans manage to buy german steel if they
have same restrictions as us, and dont leave eu. seems as if others manage where we spin it to blame eu what will get the blame when we leave, which of course we have yet to do. |
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Steel companies: indispensable for the economy
Germany is the largest steel producer in the EU and the seventh largest in the world. As a basic industry, the steel sector is of particular importance for the value-creation chains, and is the backbone of Germany’s economy. Europe’s leading steel location Germany, with annual production of almost 43 million tonnes of crude steel in 2014, is the world’s seventh-largest steel producer and the largest in the European Union (EU 28). Germany is responsible for 2,6 per cent of world production, or a quarter of crude steel production in the EU. With 17.2 billion euros, the steel industry in Germany is responsible for about 30 per cent of the value creation achieved by the European steel industry. About two-thirds of steel in Germany is produced in integrated steel mills (blast furnace, steelworks and rolling mill), the remaining third via the electric steel route. The manufacture of hot-rolled finished products totalled 36.5 m. tonnes in 2014. Most were flat products (65 per cent), with long products making up the remaining 35 per cent. Stainless and alloyed steels make up over 50 per cent of total production and thus have a higher status here than is internationally usual (approx. 30 per cent). North Rhine-Westphalia is the German state that produces the most steel – about 40 per cent. Steel is the backbone of the German economy Anteil am Stahlbedarf_D_englisch As a basic industry, the steel sector is particularly important for the value-creation chains in Germany. The numerous innovations implemented by this industry and its close interrelations with other industrial sectors contributes towards the success of, for example, the car industry or machine construction. The steel sector supplies about one-fifth of the input purchases for machine construction and 12 per cent of those for the automotive industry. Other important customer sectors include electrical engineering, the building sector as well as steel and metal processing. With about 3.5 million employees, the steel-intensive sectors account for two out of every three jobs in the processing industry. The steel industry is also an important customer for numerous supplier sectors. This is due to its high input intensities: the steel industry is responsible for an annual transport volume of about 145 m. tonnes. Then there are the long production chains and the comprehensive range in production, as well as the associated services involved – from pig iron production to the rolled steel product. Studies on economic significance show that every euro of additional value creation in the steel industry in Germany generates a further 1.7 euros of value creation in upstream sectors. It has also been empirically proved that each job in the steel industry is connected with five to six further jobs in the supplier industries. https://en.stahl-online.de/index.php/topics/economics/steel-industry-in-germany/ |
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What will get the blame?
The unions of course. |
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Donnny can't help himself, when he's caught out cherry picking an article to push his agenda, he then cherry picks from the damning piece he omitted, that stated:
"The origin of the majority of the steel on the scaffolding of the Elizabeth Tower is British .. due to the quantity and size of the components required, it has been necessary to source some steel from overseas suppliers." I'd be surprised anyway if the government directly bought the steel, surely it's subccontracted to a specialist scaffolding company? Maybe that's a bit too real world and how the construction industry works for Donny.. |
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And indeed, the scaffolding was sub contracted to PHD Modular Access who no doubt had a pile of the stuff already and will use what they've bought on subsequent jobs, and this was I presume sub contacted by McAlpine.
That this virtual non story is such a big issue and considered "damning" of the Tories by some .. says a lot about lefties and their experience of "business".. |