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Turns out not only is he a complete fantasist, as I thought at the time, he is also a paedo himself !
The Met must be the dumbest police force on the planet. Purely from the drivel this guy dreamt up - all easy to see through and in many instances easy to quickly disprove - they launched Operation Midland which cost £2M !
Northumbria Police carried out the investigation into 'Nick'
The Met must be the dumbest police force on the planet. Purely from the drivel this guy dreamt up - all easy to see through and in many instances easy to quickly disprove - they launched Operation Midland which cost £2M !
Northumbria Police carried out the investigation into 'Nick'
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A man accused of making up a Westminster VIP paedophile ring is himself a "committed and manipulative paedophile", a court has heard. Newcastle Crown Court was told that Carl Beech, 51, from Gloucester, used a secret app on his phone to hide his interest in young boys, tried to frame someone else, and only later admitted to a series of charges.
During the afternoon session, the court was told that Beech admitted making and possessing indecent images of children and voyeurism at a previous hearing. Tony Badenoch QC, prosecuting, said: "These child sex offences were committed whilst he was speaking to investigating police officers." He added: "The evidence demonstrates that Carl Beech is a committed and manipulative paedophile, capable of deceit to investigators and limitless manipulation when required."
Jurors also heard that Beech craved attention and wanted to become an international speaker on "survivors". He told police in 2016 that powerful men had abused and murdered children in the 1970s, the court heard. But prosecutors say that he made it all up and even created an encrypted email address, telling police there was another victim, who officers gave the pseudonym Fred.
Mr Badenoch said Beech spent around 20 hours with police over his allegations and he "therefore had an audience". "He also spent many hours with Metropolitan Police officers attending the 'scenes of the crimes'," Mr Badenoch added. "It extended to appearances on mainstream TV as a shadowy figure using the pseudonym 'Nick'. "So here he was telling the world of these dreadful crimes whilst at the same time pretending to be 'Fred' to the investigating officers."Why Carl Beech did that is something only he really knows. "Others have said that he craves attention." The prosecutor added: "He appears to have intended to become a speaker on the international circuit on the subject of survivors."
Beech, a former nurse and father-of-one, had written 150 pages of his memoirs and a document called Too Many Secrets. He denies 12 counts of perverting the course of justice and one of fraud - relating to a payment in 2013 of £22,000 for criminal injuries. According to Mr Badenoch, this money was used as a deposit on a Ford Mustang convertible.
The prosecutor also alleged that Beech's ex-wife Dawn had never been told of the abuse allegations, despite them being married for more than 20 years. He said: "They had been together since he was in his very early 20s until he was around 44... He was just 20 and if he is to be believed, he was at that stage still carrying the physical and mental scars of sadistic torture."
The paedophile ring was alleged to have included senior politicians and military officers and the court heard that Beech had searched online for information on his "abusers". The court was also told Beech had searched online for locations he would later cite as abuse venues, such as the Carlton Club and Dolphin Square.
During the afternoon session, the court was told that Beech admitted making and possessing indecent images of children and voyeurism at a previous hearing. Tony Badenoch QC, prosecuting, said: "These child sex offences were committed whilst he was speaking to investigating police officers." He added: "The evidence demonstrates that Carl Beech is a committed and manipulative paedophile, capable of deceit to investigators and limitless manipulation when required."
Jurors also heard that Beech craved attention and wanted to become an international speaker on "survivors". He told police in 2016 that powerful men had abused and murdered children in the 1970s, the court heard. But prosecutors say that he made it all up and even created an encrypted email address, telling police there was another victim, who officers gave the pseudonym Fred.
Mr Badenoch said Beech spent around 20 hours with police over his allegations and he "therefore had an audience". "He also spent many hours with Metropolitan Police officers attending the 'scenes of the crimes'," Mr Badenoch added. "It extended to appearances on mainstream TV as a shadowy figure using the pseudonym 'Nick'. "So here he was telling the world of these dreadful crimes whilst at the same time pretending to be 'Fred' to the investigating officers."Why Carl Beech did that is something only he really knows. "Others have said that he craves attention." The prosecutor added: "He appears to have intended to become a speaker on the international circuit on the subject of survivors."
Beech, a former nurse and father-of-one, had written 150 pages of his memoirs and a document called Too Many Secrets. He denies 12 counts of perverting the course of justice and one of fraud - relating to a payment in 2013 of £22,000 for criminal injuries. According to Mr Badenoch, this money was used as a deposit on a Ford Mustang convertible.
The prosecutor also alleged that Beech's ex-wife Dawn had never been told of the abuse allegations, despite them being married for more than 20 years. He said: "They had been together since he was in his very early 20s until he was around 44... He was just 20 and if he is to be believed, he was at that stage still carrying the physical and mental scars of sadistic torture."
The paedophile ring was alleged to have included senior politicians and military officers and the court heard that Beech had searched online for information on his "abusers". The court was also told Beech had searched online for locations he would later cite as abuse venues, such as the Carlton Club and Dolphin Square.
He claimed that he was first sexually abused by his stepfather, Major Ray Beech, when he was seven years old and went on to allege abuse by a group of public figures, including from politics and the military. Among those he accused was former Conservative prime minister Sir Edward Heath, ex-Tory home secretary Lord Brittan, former head of the armed forces Lord Bramall and former Conservative MP Harvey Proctor.
The jury was told Mr Beech picked his "targets" after browsing the internet.
Detectives investigated Mr Beech's claims until 2016 when they asked another police force - Northumbria - to investigate the accuser himself. Northumbria Police found his story to be "totally unfounded, hopelessly compromised and irredeemably contradicted", the court heard. Prosecutor Tony Badenoch QC told the jury: "It is quite impossible to conceive of allegations of a worse kind to be made." He said "immeasurable distress" had been caused to those accused and those close to them - and they had suffered "obvious reputational damage". Mr Proctor has spoken freely in public to defend himself against the allegation that "he is a sadistic child killer and that he committed other serious sexual offences", the court heard. Jurors were told that, as an entirely innocent man, Mr Proctor was "still enraged". Both Mr Proctor and Lord Bramall had their homes searched as a result of the allegations. Lord Bramall's wife died during the police inquiry - codenamed Operation Midland - and Lord Brittan died while under investigation.
Mr Beech claimed the abuse happened after school, when he was picked up by a driver and taken to "parties" where there were 10 to 15 men and around seven or eight boys. Mr Beech "claimed that he was the victim of much of the abuse and he was a direct witness to the killing of three young boys", the court was told. Mr Beech told police that he witnessed Mr Proctor killing a boy. Jurors heard how Mr Beech alleged that at an army location, the former head of MI5, Michael Hanley, and the former head of MI6, Maurice Oldfield, subjected him to torture. Mr Beech claimed he had spiders tipped on him, electric shocks and darts thrown at him. The prosecutor said Mr Beech had described to police "the most horrific sexual and physical abuse", but that his medical records did not substantiate the claims.
The court was played a video interview Mr Beech had given to the Met Police in November 2014, during which he cried as he described details of the first alleged murder. He claimed a schoolmate called "Scott" was deliberately run over in Kingston-upon-Thames in 1979. The court heard Northumbria Police concluded "there is no supporting evidence whatsoever" to support Mr Beech's account about Scott. Prosecutor Mr Badenoch told jurors: "There was no such homicide. No missing boy."
Mr Beech also claimed that one of the boys he witnessed being murdered was Martin Allen, a 15-year-old boy who went missing in London in 1979 and has not been seen since, jurors heard. Martin Allen's brother Kevin was contacted by Scotland Yard in 2014 and told his brother may have been linked to a VIP paedophile ring. Mr Badenoch said: "The source of that false hope to Kevin Allen, 35 years after his brother went missing, was ultimately the false allegations of this defendant, Carl Beech."
And jurors were also told that Mr Beech had claimed he had a lifelong fear of water and could not swim, because aspects of the alleged abuse involved being held underwater and thrown in a pool. But, the prosecutor said, police found photographs and videos of him swimming all over the world over several decades, ranging from with children at theme parks, to honeymoon snorkelling for shells, and at a pool with flippers, mask and snorkel. It was "an adult lifetime of swimming memories", Mr Badenoch said.
He first contacted Wiltshire Police in 2012 with allegations of abuse by his stepfather as well as Jimmy Savile. Between 2014 and 2016 he made further allegations to the Met Police, with a list of alleged abusers. In 2016, when that investigation ended with no further action, police began investigating Mr Beech himself. Police searched Mr Beech's Gloucester home in November 2016 and seized several electronic devices. During their investigation, a number of Mr Beech's claims "were found to be provably false", the court heard. "He had lied about the content of these allegations, taken active steps to embellish a false story, and then cover his tracks when challenged," Mr Badenoch said.
When questioned by police about this, he "fled the country and lived overseas as a fugitive" before being located in Sweden. The jury also heard that Mr Beech's former teachers had said he had good attendance - contrary to his claims of being taken out of lessons to be abused.
The jury was told Mr Beech picked his "targets" after browsing the internet.
Detectives investigated Mr Beech's claims until 2016 when they asked another police force - Northumbria - to investigate the accuser himself. Northumbria Police found his story to be "totally unfounded, hopelessly compromised and irredeemably contradicted", the court heard. Prosecutor Tony Badenoch QC told the jury: "It is quite impossible to conceive of allegations of a worse kind to be made." He said "immeasurable distress" had been caused to those accused and those close to them - and they had suffered "obvious reputational damage". Mr Proctor has spoken freely in public to defend himself against the allegation that "he is a sadistic child killer and that he committed other serious sexual offences", the court heard. Jurors were told that, as an entirely innocent man, Mr Proctor was "still enraged". Both Mr Proctor and Lord Bramall had their homes searched as a result of the allegations. Lord Bramall's wife died during the police inquiry - codenamed Operation Midland - and Lord Brittan died while under investigation.
Mr Beech claimed the abuse happened after school, when he was picked up by a driver and taken to "parties" where there were 10 to 15 men and around seven or eight boys. Mr Beech "claimed that he was the victim of much of the abuse and he was a direct witness to the killing of three young boys", the court was told. Mr Beech told police that he witnessed Mr Proctor killing a boy. Jurors heard how Mr Beech alleged that at an army location, the former head of MI5, Michael Hanley, and the former head of MI6, Maurice Oldfield, subjected him to torture. Mr Beech claimed he had spiders tipped on him, electric shocks and darts thrown at him. The prosecutor said Mr Beech had described to police "the most horrific sexual and physical abuse", but that his medical records did not substantiate the claims.
The court was played a video interview Mr Beech had given to the Met Police in November 2014, during which he cried as he described details of the first alleged murder. He claimed a schoolmate called "Scott" was deliberately run over in Kingston-upon-Thames in 1979. The court heard Northumbria Police concluded "there is no supporting evidence whatsoever" to support Mr Beech's account about Scott. Prosecutor Mr Badenoch told jurors: "There was no such homicide. No missing boy."
Mr Beech also claimed that one of the boys he witnessed being murdered was Martin Allen, a 15-year-old boy who went missing in London in 1979 and has not been seen since, jurors heard. Martin Allen's brother Kevin was contacted by Scotland Yard in 2014 and told his brother may have been linked to a VIP paedophile ring. Mr Badenoch said: "The source of that false hope to Kevin Allen, 35 years after his brother went missing, was ultimately the false allegations of this defendant, Carl Beech."
And jurors were also told that Mr Beech had claimed he had a lifelong fear of water and could not swim, because aspects of the alleged abuse involved being held underwater and thrown in a pool. But, the prosecutor said, police found photographs and videos of him swimming all over the world over several decades, ranging from with children at theme parks, to honeymoon snorkelling for shells, and at a pool with flippers, mask and snorkel. It was "an adult lifetime of swimming memories", Mr Badenoch said.
He first contacted Wiltshire Police in 2012 with allegations of abuse by his stepfather as well as Jimmy Savile. Between 2014 and 2016 he made further allegations to the Met Police, with a list of alleged abusers. In 2016, when that investigation ended with no further action, police began investigating Mr Beech himself. Police searched Mr Beech's Gloucester home in November 2016 and seized several electronic devices. During their investigation, a number of Mr Beech's claims "were found to be provably false", the court heard. "He had lied about the content of these allegations, taken active steps to embellish a false story, and then cover his tracks when challenged," Mr Badenoch said.
When questioned by police about this, he "fled the country and lived overseas as a fugitive" before being located in Sweden. The jury also heard that Mr Beech's former teachers had said he had good attendance - contrary to his claims of being taken out of lessons to be abused.
The court heard how the Met Police spent £2m on their investigation into Mr Beech's claims and described them publicly as "credible and true". 
The police have been trigger happy due to public pressure following allegations that the likes of saville and smith got away without trial under the noses of everybody, you can hardly blame them for trying.
The fact this guy is an alleged pedo himself actually increases the likelihood that he himself was nonced, as its a degenerate contagion passed from one generation to the other.
The fact this guy is an alleged pedo himself actually increases the likelihood that he himself was nonced, as its a degenerate contagion passed from one generation to the other.
police should investigate claims, but should know about these fantasists
no wonder police want access to peoples phones
that would have stopped this witch hunt at source.
no wonder police want access to peoples phones
that would have stopped this witch hunt at source.
Agree donny after all if you aint got nothing to hide you've nowt to worry about social media accounts the same imo.
"Witch hunt"
But of course the truth will never come out because....?
But of course the truth will never come out because....?
oh that's a surprise - terry ignoring all posted info and sticking with the conspiracy theory.
Yet again a troll shows up to defend the official yarn,there is a big,big clue there for all to see, but don't worry dave the truth could never come out, hows about that then! Got any kids dave, no I didn't think so.
Bollocks dave and you know it, a little question mex couldn't or wouldn't answer concerning 9/11.
How did WTC7 come down,pancake effect,just like the other two,and why did the BBC reporting live in New York,say that WTC7 had come down a full 20 minutes or so before it did? Ionly ask you because you of course stick to the official report which has more holes in it than Fort William FC defence--over to you dave
How did WTC7 come down,pancake effect,just like the other two,and why did the BBC reporting live in New York,say that WTC7 had come down a full 20 minutes or so before it did? Ionly ask you because you of course stick to the official report which has more holes in it than Fort William FC defence--over to you dave
Freemasons investigating Freemasons, was only ever going to be 1 outcome.
I block twonky - can't remember why but the fact that you agree with him is a big clue I suppose. Did twonky answer your bizarre and completely off topic question?
The only reason I agree with the guy is because he is 100 per cent correct, btw who the f uck you are to block anybody, in a decent world the likes of you wouldn't even be here,bloody parasite.
dave,would you like to attempt to answer the question on 9/11?
terry swears and insults me then asks me to answer a completely off topic question I know sfa about? Is there a more idiotic person on the internet?
But dave you have always keep to the official line,as you say you know sfa, "is there a more idiotic person on the internet",yes I think you win that one.
Anyway I thought calling you a bloody parasite was tame dave,a bit touchy these days,its only an opinion
Nick's claims were always absurd (and believed by some forumites) but it is mildly concerning that TPB are using the man's own conviction as a diversionary tactic.
TBH the Police are at fault HTF was this Geezer not investigated properly , Ram why would people not Believe something was Going on ??
The general public would believe there was some kind of Substance in the Accusations . Not some Pedo nutter Sending himself emails. the Bloke is a complete Wrong un , HTF have they gone round raiding peoples houses without a shred of Evidence its
insane
The general public would believe there was some kind of Substance in the Accusations . Not some Pedo nutter Sending himself emails. the Bloke is a complete Wrong un , HTF have they gone round raiding peoples houses without a shred of Evidence its
insane
found guilty on all counts.
it seems the jury didnt take long to make their decision, i wonder if there were any members of the ccda on said jury
the haircuts were a bit of give away.
it seems the jury didnt take long to make their decision, i wonder if there were any members of the ccda on said jury
the haircuts were a bit of give away.
Appalling but I do believe there was shocking child abuse at the heart of the Establishment. Just because this man has been condemned as a fantasist it doesn't mean terrible things did not happen. This has set the real investigation back a long way if it has not killed it.
Young boys in care were abused and the perpetrators of these crimes walk amongst us. There is little to be pleased about today.
Young boys in care were abused and the perpetrators of these crimes walk amongst us. There is little to be pleased about today.
The lynch mentality seems to have prevailed within the CPS and Met, ready to believe the worst about the establishment figures.
Also was given a Position with the NSPCC
Tom Watson giving his full backing ,sounds about right ,Was he not shouting and roaring about it all in Da House ?
Tom Watson giving his full backing ,sounds about right ,Was he not shouting and roaring about it all in Da House ?
This "Nick" guy is an evil piece of work.
He is a convicted peadophile so caused great pain a suffering to the children he abused. If that is not enough he caused pain & distress to innocent men so he could get money & attention.
His crimes were over many years - what a nasty guy.
I notice must of the forum agree this man is dangerous.
Shame Terry decided to stick up for this nasty guy.
Has Tom Watson resigned yet?
He is a convicted peadophile so caused great pain a suffering to the children he abused. If that is not enough he caused pain & distress to innocent men so he could get money & attention.
His crimes were over many years - what a nasty guy.
I notice must of the forum agree this man is dangerous.
Shame Terry decided to stick up for this nasty guy.
Has Tom Watson resigned yet?
Tom Watson said in a statement:
“I met the man I knew as ‘Nick’ once, on 8 July 2014, two years after I had raised my question in Parliament. “During that meeting Nick said very little and did not name any of his alleged abusers. “I reassured Nick that the police had made clear that all allegations of historic sex abuse would be taken seriously and treated sensitively.
“That is what the police had asked me to do, and it was the process I followed with all those who claimed to be survivors of historic child sex abuse. “It was not my role to judge whether victims’ stories were true.
“I encouraged every person that came to me to take their story to the police and that is what I did with Nick. “I hope this trial, and the case of one person, does not prevent survivors of child sexual abuse coming forward and reporting their experiences to the police.”
“As a public figure of responsibility I felt it was my duty to respond to the claims that had been made to me. “To stand aside when there was a possibility that children were at risk of sexual abuse was not an option.”
“I met the man I knew as ‘Nick’ once, on 8 July 2014, two years after I had raised my question in Parliament. “During that meeting Nick said very little and did not name any of his alleged abusers. “I reassured Nick that the police had made clear that all allegations of historic sex abuse would be taken seriously and treated sensitively.
“That is what the police had asked me to do, and it was the process I followed with all those who claimed to be survivors of historic child sex abuse. “It was not my role to judge whether victims’ stories were true.
“I encouraged every person that came to me to take their story to the police and that is what I did with Nick. “I hope this trial, and the case of one person, does not prevent survivors of child sexual abuse coming forward and reporting their experiences to the police.”
“As a public figure of responsibility I felt it was my duty to respond to the claims that had been made to me. “To stand aside when there was a possibility that children were at risk of sexual abuse was not an option.”
Surely he should have noticed a hole in one of his stories
Watson has gained a reputation as a campaigning MP on sexual abuse after making explosive claims of a paedophile ring in parliament in 2013. Last month, he apologised to the widow of Brittan for causing distress after facing criticism from a senior officer and Conservative MPs for his role in a 40-year-old rape allegation.
If all this was Based on Info from Nick ?
Mr Watson needs to walk ,his position has become untenable
If all this was Based on Info from Nick ?
Mr Watson needs to walk ,his position has become untenable
The Elm Guest House list was part of this whole fantasy. It was written by Chris Fay who seems about as credible as 'Nick'.
In fairness to Watson,he was raising a sensitive issue that many people suspected about the establishment and the police had suggested the claims were credible. We had already seen how Cyril Smith and Thorpe had the establishment rallying around to obstruct investigations so maybe he isn't 100% at fault.
Absolutely true treetop,
People are looking to settle scores. The Police must shoulder a large part of the blame by pronouncing it as credible. They should have kept quiet and done the investigation.
My question is how come they did not see through his lies earlier? Shirley they must have questioned his account and looked at evidence?
I would say this too. There are fears of paedo rings at the highest levels of the establishment not just in this country but others too. Famous people have been protected in the past so Watson was right to bring it to the attention of the police. The knives are out for Watson atm and this is their opportunity to get him. I am no longer a Watson fan but to do him for this will stop real victims coming forward and the guilty as usual will escape scott free!
People are looking to settle scores. The Police must shoulder a large part of the blame by pronouncing it as credible. They should have kept quiet and done the investigation.
My question is how come they did not see through his lies earlier? Shirley they must have questioned his account and looked at evidence?
I would say this too. There are fears of paedo rings at the highest levels of the establishment not just in this country but others too. Famous people have been protected in the past so Watson was right to bring it to the attention of the police. The knives are out for Watson atm and this is their opportunity to get him. I am no longer a Watson fan but to do him for this will stop real victims coming forward and the guilty as usual will escape scott free!
the most cursory investigation of his claims anyone with any sense would have seen they were a pack of lies after 5 minutes
Has it served the Establishment to make this case so high profile though? (By failing to deal with very quickly).
It's very convenient for them to have a fake whistleblower.
As WD says, this could set the investigation back years. Will others be less likely to come forward for fear of not being believed?
It's very convenient for them to have a fake whistleblower.
As WD says, this could set the investigation back years. Will others be less likely to come forward for fear of not being believed?
no one seriously thinks that watson would have been so quick to give these claims so much prominence if he hadn't named a number of former senior tories ? it was purely political opportunism. he certainly wouldn't have been so keen if a load of old labour faces had been in the frame
And bang on cue, the bbc showed the film Spotlight on Sunday night.
Watson WTF ??
He expressed further "regret" when shown a tweet from February 2015 in which he had stated: "I think I have made my position on Leon Brittan perfectly clear. I believe the people who say he raped them."
He expressed further "regret" when shown a tweet from February 2015 in which he had stated: "I think I have made my position on Leon Brittan perfectly clear. I believe the people who say he raped them."
Is it time for a closer reexamination of some of the celebrity paedo cases? Maybe they were all guilty but one or two of the individual convictions seem to have been nodded through on the "pattern of behaviour" or even "no smoke without fire" theories.
Eg that one of Rolf's where there was no evidence he was ever at the theatre or town in question, and does kissing a young girl up the arm mean anything more than a light-hearted game based on kissing her hand (kissing hands has gone out of fashion in recent decades)?
Maybe they were all at it. I did not follow the cases very closely. But maybe the papers, police and, yes, the public got caught up in a sort of collective hysteria that is of a piece with believing the Nick allegations and raiding Cliff's house with helicopters overhead.
Eg that one of Rolf's where there was no evidence he was ever at the theatre or town in question, and does kissing a young girl up the arm mean anything more than a light-hearted game based on kissing her hand (kissing hands has gone out of fashion in recent decades)?
Maybe they were all at it. I did not follow the cases very closely. But maybe the papers, police and, yes, the public got caught up in a sort of collective hysteria that is of a piece with believing the Nick allegations and raiding Cliff's house with helicopters overhead.
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