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Typical biased BBC.
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and they seemingly have as little policy position as the Brexit Party
Farage makes easy, cheap journalism. So he gets too much coverage/credence.
Even though he's just about the most self-serving, lying toad of them all.
Even though he's just about the most self-serving, lying toad of them all.
Neither Chnage UK or the Brexit party are lobbying for power, one is a brexit party the other is a Remain party and as soon as Brexit is over one way or another, both will disintergrate very quickly.
Terry
I think government is so scared of losing their job (gravy train), that they don't want to get on the wrong side of the press, and therefore allow Farage the fuel he needs to be heard.
Has anyone every asked Farage WHY he wants Britain to have its own sovereignty, self-rule (not that we don't rule ourselves anyway) and all the other stuff he bangs on about?
Or, which laws precisely, the EU have come up with that affect us to a point where we're losing out?
I've never heard those questions being asked.
He's a would be tinpot dictator with a big mouth and a load of people gathering rhetoric, he appeals to the basest of instincts.
Yet, he lives (some of the time) in France, German wife, wages off the EU, who he keeps fighting to work for every 5 years, takes bundles from US (we're all paying his wages) takes serious expenses, gets involved in other countries' politics.
For all this, what does Farage actually do?
I'll tell you. He gets people arguing, where they wouldn't have before and where there was no need to argue.
He survives because he's a media dream.
I think government is so scared of losing their job (gravy train), that they don't want to get on the wrong side of the press, and therefore allow Farage the fuel he needs to be heard.
Has anyone every asked Farage WHY he wants Britain to have its own sovereignty, self-rule (not that we don't rule ourselves anyway) and all the other stuff he bangs on about?
Or, which laws precisely, the EU have come up with that affect us to a point where we're losing out?
I've never heard those questions being asked.
He's a would be tinpot dictator with a big mouth and a load of people gathering rhetoric, he appeals to the basest of instincts.
Yet, he lives (some of the time) in France, German wife, wages off the EU, who he keeps fighting to work for every 5 years, takes bundles from US (we're all paying his wages) takes serious expenses, gets involved in other countries' politics.
For all this, what does Farage actually do?
I'll tell you. He gets people arguing, where they wouldn't have before and where there was no need to argue.
He survives because he's a media dream.
But we don't rule ourselves Study,you know that,but yes I agree with his all self,self,self and that's one of the reasons Brexit hasn't moved on an inch in over 1,000 days.
Marr missed a real opportunity to really get to grips with what The Brexit Party stands for, beyond a protest vote a week on Thursday.
Instead he spent the opening several questions trying to pin Farage down on whether he said no deal was better than a bad deal (Farage answered this and grew weary of the several variants of it) and ended upasking him really weak stuff about whether foreign patients with HIV should be treated on the NHS.
Marr made it 'The Nigel Farage Show' rather than any deep enquiry into what the Brexit Pary stood for, who their candidates were and if, as farage claims, this was all about returning Britain to democracy, how Brexi Party would do this, beyond the rhetoric (get rid of the House of Lords? The Monarchy? Introduce proportional representation? What?)
Instead he spent the opening several questions trying to pin Farage down on whether he said no deal was better than a bad deal (Farage answered this and grew weary of the several variants of it) and ended upasking him really weak stuff about whether foreign patients with HIV should be treated on the NHS.
Marr made it 'The Nigel Farage Show' rather than any deep enquiry into what the Brexit Pary stood for, who their candidates were and if, as farage claims, this was all about returning Britain to democracy, how Brexi Party would do this, beyond the rhetoric (get rid of the House of Lords? The Monarchy? Introduce proportional representation? What?)
The reason, imo, terry, it hasn't moved, is that Farage caused a wave, a weak PM (Cameron) rode it. Farage got all happy and notorious. Current weak politicians (May) can't handle the fallout.
Farage doesn't actually know any more than anyone else what to do next, or what happens that will be so radical after we leave.
He has never had policies or plans and merely travels to wherever the spotlight is brightest.
He's loving still being in the limelight.
I have to disagree with you though. We fundamentally DO rule ourselves. British law is what we live by, under a British government. That has never changed. There are just a few edicts (many of which we ignore anyway -working time directives for one) and trade things, we don't rule.
Farage doesn't actually know any more than anyone else what to do next, or what happens that will be so radical after we leave.
He has never had policies or plans and merely travels to wherever the spotlight is brightest.
He's loving still being in the limelight.
I have to disagree with you though. We fundamentally DO rule ourselves. British law is what we live by, under a British government. That has never changed. There are just a few edicts (many of which we ignore anyway -working time directives for one) and trade things, we don't rule.
A lot of people voted out because they felt we the British were under control of the EU, and I agree with that.
My favourite is the Daily Express. Every SINGLE piece of CLICKBAIT headline for them on google news has at least ONE word in CAPS, you can tell it's the Express before you even LOOK at the link.
I've a theory Doh Wah works for them part time. He writes bout 1 word in 8.
I've a theory Doh Wah works for them part time. He writes bout 1 word in 8.
I don't think Marr took him apart. I would say he exposed him and opened chinks in his armour that a more skilled or determined interviewer would exploit. Farage lost his cool and let his halo slip imho. He lost it and looked vunerable.
One thing I would say is that he is banging on about democracy and then blames Parliament and says they are preventing democracy! One thing I would say that so many fail to realise is that Parliament is sovereign here! It is working! God bless Gina Miller for going to court to ensure they were and are! The fact of the matter is that the current ( and previous ) bunch of politicians have been given an easy ride by the public. It is time for the public to enforce democracy and they can do that at the ballot box. The Euro Elections technically will count for nothing but the next General Election will and they need to ensure they vote for candidates that represent their wishes. The current MP's lied. Will the public vote them out of office?
One thing I would say is that he is banging on about democracy and then blames Parliament and says they are preventing democracy! One thing I would say that so many fail to realise is that Parliament is sovereign here! It is working! God bless Gina Miller for going to court to ensure they were and are! The fact of the matter is that the current ( and previous ) bunch of politicians have been given an easy ride by the public. It is time for the public to enforce democracy and they can do that at the ballot box. The Euro Elections technically will count for nothing but the next General Election will and they need to ensure they vote for candidates that represent their wishes. The current MP's lied. Will the public vote them out of office?
May 12, 2019 -- 12:47PM, terry mccann wrote:
A lot of people voted out because they felt we the British were under control of the EU, and I agree with that.
That's fine.
There's no doubt that's true. Along with all the other reasons for voting (immigration, the cost to us to belong, personal ideals).
It doesn't mean it would make our lives better though. Or worse.
Farage has no idea what comes next any more than the rest of us.
I'd say it's mostly been all for no good reason other than to appease fear created by a privileged big-mouth who journaliststs earn easy money from.
The reason, imo, terry, it hasn't moved, is that Farage caused a wave, a weak PM (Cameron) rode it. Farage got all happy and notorious. Current weak politicians (May) can't handle the fallout.
Farage doesn't actually know any more than anyone else what to do next, or what happens that will be so radical after we leave.
He has never had policies or plans and merely travels to wherever the spotlight is brightest.
These are fair points Study and here was an opportunity to pin Farage down. Okay, he wanted to talk about the democratic deficit in this country - fine, what specifically would The Brexit Party do to address this?
Andrew Neil would have got to this (he'd have let Farage talk over him and then skewerd him with a pithy comeback) but Marr seemed to have a pre-determined set of questions, based on random quotes, taken out of context (to fit with the VTR clips which were set up in advance, obviously) meaning that once Farage had answered the question, Marr had nowhere to go and couldn't think on his feet to come up with something more substantial.
For once, it wasn't an 'anti-BBC strop' by Farage (IMO) but a genuine anger at asinisne repetitive questioning to fit in with a pre-ordained agenda.
Farage doesn't actually know any more than anyone else what to do next, or what happens that will be so radical after we leave.
He has never had policies or plans and merely travels to wherever the spotlight is brightest.
These are fair points Study and here was an opportunity to pin Farage down. Okay, he wanted to talk about the democratic deficit in this country - fine, what specifically would The Brexit Party do to address this?
Andrew Neil would have got to this (he'd have let Farage talk over him and then skewerd him with a pithy comeback) but Marr seemed to have a pre-determined set of questions, based on random quotes, taken out of context (to fit with the VTR clips which were set up in advance, obviously) meaning that once Farage had answered the question, Marr had nowhere to go and couldn't think on his feet to come up with something more substantial.
For once, it wasn't an 'anti-BBC strop' by Farage (IMO) but a genuine anger at asinisne repetitive questioning to fit in with a pre-ordained agenda.
I am glad this was not a vivisection thread
So was Farage I should think
Well If May and Parliament actually did their jobe, he would not need to came back
Brexit should be agreed by now
So was Farage I should think
Well If May and Parliament actually did their jobe, he would not need to came back
Brexit should be agreed by now
For once, it wasn't an 'anti-BBC strop' by Farage (IMO) but a genuine anger at asinisne repetitive questioning to fit in with a pre-ordained agenda.
My point exactly, Faragio lost it to Marr! WTF man!
My point exactly, Faragio lost it to Marr! WTF man!
The reason Brexit has not been agreed by now is Nigel Farage, Boris, Jacob Rees-Mogg and all the other Brexiteers have spent the last decade campaigning against the EU but have given absolutely no thought to what happens next.
If they wanted Brexit, it's easy: just vote for Theresa May's deal and we leave the EU. Job done.
Ah, they say, but that's the wrong sort of Brexit. We meant some other sort of Brexit, whose precise details we cannot divulge but it somehow involves the EU begging us for a deal because we hold all the cards.
If they wanted Brexit, it's easy: just vote for Theresa May's deal and we leave the EU. Job done.
Ah, they say, but that's the wrong sort of Brexit. We meant some other sort of Brexit, whose precise details we cannot divulge but it somehow involves the EU begging us for a deal because we hold all the cards.
FARAGE and his Mob are Available for the Protest Voters , and there will be Millions of them ...
We will end up with MPs sitting in the EU parliament who want Nothing to do with the EU
A very sad state of Affairs tbh.
We will end up with MPs sitting in the EU parliament who want Nothing to do with the EU
A very sad state of Affairs tbh.
The Percentage of Seats won By TBP will be interesting ,if it is extremely High it will certainly Kybosh any plans for
a 2nd Referendum , it would be Pointless to have one .
a 2nd Referendum , it would be Pointless to have one .
A second referendum will divide the Country further it would be a shocking decision to have won as it is a no win scenario. Either Brexit win again result loss or Brexiters will want best out of 3 so nobody wins
WD - Or just scrap the toss like in county cricket! How awful that is.
We are in a right royal mess. Maybe the Queen should get involved!
I understand why remoaners want another referendum, because they lost the first one. The big question to me is what will happen if they win the second? The Briexit Party which imho is likely to do pretty well in the Euro Elections will come centre stage at the next General Election.
It won't be a case of Turkeys voting for Christmas because MP's will have no say. A General Election will have to come at some stage and they will all fear for their jobs. The obligation of Party Loyalty will be broken.
I am not convinced Brexit is in our best Interests financially but I want us out and will even vote for Faragio's Brexit Party.
The best we can hope for is a Constitutional Crises before any second referendum and a call for a General Election. I thought we would be polarised by colour of rosette but I think we shall be voting for in or out at the next GE and I think that is the best referendum you could have.
^ "I think we shall be voting for in or out at the next GE and I think that is the best referendum you could have."
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We ARE doing JUST THAT in this Thursday's European Elections. ...
- and - The BREXIT LEAVE voters will LANDSLIDE it, too.
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We ARE doing JUST THAT in this Thursday's European Elections. ...
- and - The BREXIT LEAVE voters will LANDSLIDE it, too.
No not strictly true onlooker.
These Elections technically mean diddly. People are angry. It doesn't matter if they vote Brexit even if they want to remain. Tribal loyalties are hard to break. Plenty will vote fr their tribe but plenty won't. It is uncallable at present. One of the two main parties need to change tack and that could well be Labour. We shall see what happens. The Euro Elections are not a referendum.
These Elections technically mean diddly. People are angry. It doesn't matter if they vote Brexit even if they want to remain. Tribal loyalties are hard to break. Plenty will vote fr their tribe but plenty won't. It is uncallable at present. One of the two main parties need to change tack and that could well be Labour. We shall see what happens. The Euro Elections are not a referendum.
@Whisperingdeath -- it is not the Remoaners who are blocking Brexit, it is the Brexiteers, specifically the ERG group in the Conservative Party.
If Boris, Jacob Rees-Mogg and the other ERG members voted for Theresa May's deal, we would already have left the EU.
It is the Leavers who are blocking Leave. That's the irony. They vote against Brexit because they do not like Theresa May's deal. But (as per my last post) they have no viable alternative.
If Boris, Jacob Rees-Mogg and the other ERG members voted for Theresa May's deal, we would already have left the EU.
It is the Leavers who are blocking Leave. That's the irony. They vote against Brexit because they do not like Theresa May's deal. But (as per my last post) they have no viable alternative.
I never watched this and assumed stupidly that Marr actually had relevant questioning and got valid hits on Farage that way, but having just read:
"The interview on the BBC programme also saw Mr Farage asked about past comments on NHS privatisation, climate change, gun control, immigration and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Responding angrily to the line of questioning, he said: "This is absolutely ludicrous, I've never in my life seen a more ridiculous interview than this."
Farage sounds right to get annoyed. He's in a party whose entire existence is just to get Brexit done, it's the single biggest issue of the day that the country is paralysed with, the election concerning this is in less than two weeks, and this BBC remoaner leftie t1t (and yes he IS all of these, Marr is horrendous) is ignoring the relevant subject and merely trying to smear him on things that are nothing to do with anything relevant, try a BBC hatchet job that way? What do any of these things have to do with Brexit or the EU elections in 2 weeks and peoples decision to vote for a pro Brexit party?
"The interview on the BBC programme also saw Mr Farage asked about past comments on NHS privatisation, climate change, gun control, immigration and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Responding angrily to the line of questioning, he said: "This is absolutely ludicrous, I've never in my life seen a more ridiculous interview than this."
Farage sounds right to get annoyed. He's in a party whose entire existence is just to get Brexit done, it's the single biggest issue of the day that the country is paralysed with, the election concerning this is in less than two weeks, and this BBC remoaner leftie t1t (and yes he IS all of these, Marr is horrendous) is ignoring the relevant subject and merely trying to smear him on things that are nothing to do with anything relevant, try a BBC hatchet job that way? What do any of these things have to do with Brexit or the EU elections in 2 weeks and peoples decision to vote for a pro Brexit party?
So you are admitting he was getting annoyed!
Most of his fan boys would disagree with you or rather have been all day!
Most of his fan boys would disagree with you or rather have been all day!
theres no majority neither will they ever be a majority in the hoiuse of commons for a no deal Brexit even after a GE, IF THE BREXIT PARTY can turn votes into seats at a GE it will be most likely at the expense of torys who,ve already voted for mays deal, not really sure why their standing for election evidence shows more likely of making labour largest party at GE SO making soft or no Brexit more likely,self defeating but farage laps it up,hates the EU that much cant keep away
May's deal isn't a withdrawal agreement though. It's a treaty committing the UK to rejoining the EU as a full member. There is no other way out of what the EU itself describes as "colony status" for the UK.
If it were anything other than a re-joining treaty, neither the EU establishment nor the UK establishment would have agreed to it.
Even if you believe my interpretation of May's deal is mistaken, the fact is that the deal is as much the focal point of the Brexit Party's anger as the fact we haven't actually left at all. Passing it would, if anything, just concentrate the fury of Farage's supporters in a still more desperate manner.
If it were anything other than a re-joining treaty, neither the EU establishment nor the UK establishment would have agreed to it.
Even if you believe my interpretation of May's deal is mistaken, the fact is that the deal is as much the focal point of the Brexit Party's anger as the fact we haven't actually left at all. Passing it would, if anything, just concentrate the fury of Farage's supporters in a still more desperate manner.
So you are admitting he was getting annoyed!
Most of his fan boys would disagree with you or rather have been all day!
I don't think there's any doubt about that.
The question is, was it justifed and more importantly, how would this have played to viewers.
IMO yes, for the reasons outlined and secondly, would probably re-enforced prevailing opinions about him, as we can see from this thread.
I hope more open-minded viewers might feel this was an opportunity that was missed to quiz Farage about what The Brexit Party stood for rather than what N Farage thought about marginal intrest issues (gun control? Vladimir Putin?) several years ago
Most of his fan boys would disagree with you or rather have been all day!
I don't think there's any doubt about that.
The question is, was it justifed and more importantly, how would this have played to viewers.
IMO yes, for the reasons outlined and secondly, would probably re-enforced prevailing opinions about him, as we can see from this thread.
I hope more open-minded viewers might feel this was an opportunity that was missed to quiz Farage about what The Brexit Party stood for rather than what N Farage thought about marginal intrest issues (gun control? Vladimir Putin?) several years ago
he was just being asked have your opinions changed since you last campaigned. his response was stop asking
me questions i don't want to answer and create a platform for me to promote myself.
it was a bit like that andrew neil interview during the week when the american guy didn't like being questioned
on things he had said or written previously as though they were somehow irrelevant.
me questions i don't want to answer and create a platform for me to promote myself.
it was a bit like that andrew neil interview during the week when the american guy didn't like being questioned
on things he had said or written previously as though they were somehow irrelevant.
Questions which he answered - regarding The 'no deal is better than a bad deal' question (and its various iterations) - several times?
Presumably he was on there (as leader of a party leading the polls in the run up to the EU elections, from not even existing in January) to expand on what his party stood for now, beyond a protest vote? As a voter, I'm really interesting to find out more about this.
You could see the palpable relief as Marr turned to John Ashworth in the sure knowledge that they could stay on message and have a polite debate about the inconsequential Labour "manifesto" and he could reclaim his title as an incisive political interviewer and someone not to be trifled with.
Presumably he was on there (as leader of a party leading the polls in the run up to the EU elections, from not even existing in January) to expand on what his party stood for now, beyond a protest vote? As a voter, I'm really interesting to find out more about this.
You could see the palpable relief as Marr turned to John Ashworth in the sure knowledge that they could stay on message and have a polite debate about the inconsequential Labour "manifesto" and he could reclaim his title as an incisive political interviewer and someone not to be trifled with.
Questions which he answered - regarding The 'no deal is better than a bad deal' question (and its various iterations) - several times?
it was put to him that prior to the referendum no record could be found of him saying this despite his claims
to the contrary, he even claimed to have coined the phrase. farage is a political grifter
it was put to him that prior to the referendum no record could be found of him saying this despite his claims
to the contrary, he even claimed to have coined the phrase. farage is a political grifter
20 June 2016
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Pressed on his post-Brexit trade vision, Mr Farage argued that the UK could continue trading with the EU on a tariff-free basis.
"If they cut off their nose to spite their faces... no deal is better than the deal we currently have," he said of the EU, and criticised the single market as an "outdated customs union, dominated by big businesses to the extent that it's virtually a cartel".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36574254
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Pressed on his post-Brexit trade vision, Mr Farage argued that the UK could continue trading with the EU on a tariff-free basis.
"If they cut off their nose to spite their faces... no deal is better than the deal we currently have," he said of the EU, and criticised the single market as an "outdated customs union, dominated by big businesses to the extent that it's virtually a cartel".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36574254
ITV debate: Farage and Cameron face EU questions
8 June 2016
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Making the case for the UK to leave the EU, the UKIP leader argued the 28-member union was "done for" economically and that even if UK firms had tariffs imposed on them after leaving, this would cost less than the amount the UK was currently giving to Brussels.
"No deal is better than the rotten deal that we have at the moment," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36471787
8 June 2016
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Making the case for the UK to leave the EU, the UKIP leader argued the 28-member union was "done for" economically and that even if UK firms had tariffs imposed on them after leaving, this would cost less than the amount the UK was currently giving to Brussels.
"No deal is better than the rotten deal that we have at the moment," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36471787
The polls show the Brexit Party surge has stalled since this interview. As some have noted, Farage losing his cheerful, ordinary bloke with a pint image could have been a mistake as against Marr he seemed like a common-or-garden politician attacking the questions.
Won the battle but has it cost him the war? We shall find out next week when the votes are counted.
Wonder why marr only gives a hard time to those he personally disagrees with.i thought he was supposed to represent the impartial bbc.
Everyone sees what they want to see.
As for winning battles and wars, a vast majority of the population take no notice of politics and neither undersatand nor care much about it. I'd imagine most of the viewers of the Marr show have already made their minds up.
As for winning battles and wars, a vast majority of the population take no notice of politics and neither undersatand nor care much about it. I'd imagine most of the viewers of the Marr show have already made their minds up.
All you need to know which way this interview went is the way the video of the interview has not been promoted by the BBC and if you type it into Youtube it doesnt come up anywhere near the top, only clips small clips by news outlets. See the results if you type in Ben Shapiro instead.
as studyform says, most people do not care about some daytime tv exchange, Farage is black and white, no real ambiguity, he wants out of the EU and his party is pretty much an unashamedly one policy party. Anyone voting for or not for them will have already decided long before.
like the local elections, around 10 million voted in England, meaning around 30 odd million didn't bother, with the rest being under 18.
like the local elections, around 10 million voted in England, meaning around 30 odd million didn't bother, with the rest being under 18.
The snake oil salesman Farage dismantles himself every time he speaks. The proverbial pub bore.
Ridiculous jumped up puppet.
Ridiculous jumped up puppet.
Watched the full interview and Nigel made Marr look an incompetent berk and how anyone can view it differently surprises me.
That is rubbish!
Marr's ability was not even questioned even if his tictacs and questions were.
It was all about cuddly Nigel losing the plot which he did when confronted!
Do you seriously think anybody would give a sheite if Farage took apart Marr? Do you think we would still be discussing it days afterwards?
You show yourself up twizzle! Straight out of the Bannon playbook. Keep lying!
Marr's ability was not even questioned even if his tictacs and questions were.
It was all about cuddly Nigel losing the plot which he did when confronted!
Do you seriously think anybody would give a sheite if Farage took apart Marr? Do you think we would still be discussing it days afterwards?
You show yourself up twizzle! Straight out of the Bannon playbook. Keep lying!
Do both protagonists believe themself to be the victor?
W/D...you and i disagree fair enough but please don't accuse me of lying.What i viewed was an interview by Marr intent on raking up past comments by Nigel and attempting to discredit him which of course is the way of the British broadcasting corporation.Of course our hero was miffed and had every right to be so.He agreed to take part in the programme to discuss the Brexit party and the up coming European elections but Marr was only interested in baiting the would be PM and in the circumstances i thought Sir Nige handled the situation brilliantly.
You obviously viewed it differently but in this instance i am 100% correct and you dear chap are 100% wrong.Now toddle off to bed and try not to get so worked up.
You obviously viewed it differently but in this instance i am 100% correct and you dear chap are 100% wrong.Now toddle off to bed and try not to get so worked up.
Of course our hero was miffed
not at all biassed then?
not at all biassed then?
I remember all these declarations of love and worship for Nick Griffin back in the day when he was in vogue, played the vulnerable and the angry like a fiddle, then he sank without trace after earning a good few quid leaving his devotees feeling a bit stupid, yet they swung from one branch to another and clung onto the likes of Robinson and Farage instead, and when their cycle ends it will be a case of rinse and repeat.
When will you wake up and realise they are nothing more than self serving rabble rousers who target people like you for their own gains, I even feel sorry for the followers as really they know no better.
When will you wake up and realise they are nothing more than self serving rabble rousers who target people like you for their own gains, I even feel sorry for the followers as really they know no better.
It was an attempt at a gotcha interview along the lines of the Newman/Peterson (which youtube claims to have had 15m views after 1 year, it had 7m views in 14 days, you guess why they have lied about viewing numbers)
Marr had a bbc script, it was to try and catch out Farage and old quotes when european elections are around the corner, most of the questions had no relevance to what is really happening in the real world.
It was a BBC hit job that failed miserably.
Marr had a bbc script, it was to try and catch out Farage and old quotes when european elections are around the corner, most of the questions had no relevance to what is really happening in the real world.
It was a BBC hit job that failed miserably.
I dont know anyone who has ever liked NG, sh dont you get bored with resorting to subterfuge and trying to make anyone who doesnt agree with you an extremist ?
The irony your post will be long lost on yourself.
When will you wake up and realise they are nothing more than self serving rabble rousers who target people like you for their own gains, I even feel sorry for the followers as really they know no better.
The irony your post will be long lost on yourself.
When will you wake up and realise they are nothing more than self serving rabble rousers who target people like you for their own gains, I even feel sorry for the followers as really they know no better.
Don't patronise me you jumped up lefty nonce.It was Nick Griffin who first brought the Pakistani grooming gangs to the public's attention and for that he should be applauded not derided.People like you haven sicken me with your Liberal Guardian type rhetoric.Go boil yer head.
https://twitter.com/NickGriffinBU?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Just in case scanjem wants something to read
'Exposing the intolerance of the tolerant' might be useful.
Just in case scanjem wants something to read
'Exposing the intolerance of the tolerant' might be useful.
The video about the trans 4 year old is disturbing thank fcuk I don't have to live in the real world.
He's living the life then:
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May 15, 2019 -- 11:30PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:
twizzle
scandi any scientific updates on gluten yet? You never got round to proving me wrong.
Do you know that I'm Dr Crippen yet? Are you confused? You can read this when you log out.
I remember all these declarations of love and worship for Nick Griffin back in the day when he was in vogue,
I have never known even one person who sang his praises. The man only ever appealed to those with the most extreme views.
And to suggest Farage is anything like him is a complete nonsense.
I have never known even one person who sang his praises. The man only ever appealed to those with the most extreme views.
And to suggest Farage is anything like him is a complete nonsense.
Correct^^^ scandi struggles to truthfully judge people when race is (in his mind) involved.
Farahe has been consistently campaigning AGAINST the EU for 20 years,he deserves great credit for bringing this matter to the fore when governments have tried their best to deny the issue that concerns many voters.
With Six Days to go Brexit Party Hits 35 Per Cent While Tories Sink to Single Figures
YouGov
Brexit Party - 35%
Lib Dem - 16%
Lab - 15%
Green - 10%
Con - 9%
Change UK - 5%
UKIP - 3%
Other - 7%
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YouGov
Brexit Party - 35%
Lib Dem - 16%
Lab - 15%
Green - 10%
Con - 9%
Change UK - 5%
UKIP - 3%
Other - 7%
(
yes they "stalled" for at least 2 days Funny how you can read polls to your own agenda sometimes
Funny how you can read polls to your own agenda sometimes
Anti-Brexit billboard campaign 'Led by Donkeys' appear to be massively in breach of electoral law - by their own count they've spent over £230,000 on campaigning in England in the regulated period, more than £70,000 over the legal limit of £159,750
"Remain cheating hand over fist yet again!!!"
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https://order-order.com/2019/05/17/anti-brexit-billboard-campaign-massive-apparent-breach-electoral-law/
"Remain cheating hand over fist yet again!!!"
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https://order-order.com/2019/05/17/anti-brexit-billboard-campaign-massive-apparent-breach-electoral-law/
What does Aaron Banks want to leave the EU so badly?
A vote for the Tories is a mixed message, a vote for the Brexit party is unambigous, it's no surprise they are flying high. It won't stop pundits and opposition parties trying to dishonestly spin it another way though. These will be the same people saying Leave won on a lie...
To be fair to Griffin, he highlighted the rape gamgs in 2003...Noone listened. 'Shoot the messenger with questionable motives' etc..
“These hundreds of thousands of pounds were a purely private, personal matter and nothing to do with politics” says politician and member of the European Parliament.
oh I believe Labour may well be the Party for remainers to rally around. It is their best chance of a second referendum.
What does Aaron Banks want to leave the EU so badly?
He's very close to Russia.
Russia want to destabilise the West.
He's very close to Russia.
Russia want to destabilise the West.
Banks just disagrees with a European super state.Gets smeared on a regular basis by Remain supporters for opposing that.
Remain supporters are incapable of accepting they lost the argument and many anti EU arguments are sound, so there is always some other excuse/motive and slur to throw around...
I noticed Ian Hislop was complaining on HIGNFY that his documentary about immigration wasn't being re-shown a week before the EU referendum. I assume it's the one from 2 years ago, which wasn't so much an objective documentary as a blatant propaganda piece for pro immigration. It's typical BBC output of course but not showing it at least shows SOME sense, I assume they were forced to mind you, I doubt they aren't showing it on their own principles...
I'd been arguing the anti-European Community/anti-European Union case for over thirty years. I can remember arguing it in German with a couple of smoothie businessmen next to Meister Brunos sausage stall in Uelzen in 1982.
"Naja, du bist wohl ein Fan der Meggie Tetcher, nicht?!"
Followed by a long argument in which I had to remind them that it had in fact been the Conservative Party who took the UK into the Common Market. And that it had been the Labour Party who had voted by 2-to-1 at their Conference to campaign for us to leave in the 1975 referendum.
But anyway ... Years later I found myself entering that polling station in Somerset for the 2016 referendum. And, despite all those decades of opposing the UK's membership of the EU, I would surely have voted Remain, had it not been for the Russian bloke standing there with snow on his boots, holding a Kalashnikov, forcing everyone to vote Leave.
No other possible explanation.
"Naja, du bist wohl ein Fan der Meggie Tetcher, nicht?!"
Followed by a long argument in which I had to remind them that it had in fact been the Conservative Party who took the UK into the Common Market. And that it had been the Labour Party who had voted by 2-to-1 at their Conference to campaign for us to leave in the 1975 referendum.
But anyway ... Years later I found myself entering that polling station in Somerset for the 2016 referendum. And, despite all those decades of opposing the UK's membership of the EU, I would surely have voted Remain, had it not been for the Russian bloke standing there with snow on his boots, holding a Kalashnikov, forcing everyone to vote Leave.
No other possible explanation.
Sorry.
Just trying to explain (very badly) that opposition to the EU has been widespread in the UK for decades (including among people, such as myself, with enough affection for the rest of Europe to have gone and lived and worked there). And that it's not a right/left thing: it was the Conservatives who took us in and the Labour Party that wanted us out.
More importantly, it's just absurd to suggest that the desire to leave the EU is something which suddenly emerged in 2016 because of Russian activity on Facebook. Or that the result of the referendum was in any way affected by it.
As long ago as 1979 opinion polls were 60% Leave vs 32% Remain.
http://theconversation.com/polling-history-40-years-of-british-views-on-in-or-out-of-europe-61250
Just trying to explain (very badly) that opposition to the EU has been widespread in the UK for decades (including among people, such as myself, with enough affection for the rest of Europe to have gone and lived and worked there). And that it's not a right/left thing: it was the Conservatives who took us in and the Labour Party that wanted us out.
More importantly, it's just absurd to suggest that the desire to leave the EU is something which suddenly emerged in 2016 because of Russian activity on Facebook. Or that the result of the referendum was in any way affected by it.
As long ago as 1979 opinion polls were 60% Leave vs 32% Remain.
http://theconversation.com/polling-history-40-years-of-british-views-on-in-or-out-of-europe-61250
I was looking at a voting map the other day and it's very amusing, aka will like this. The SNP try to pretend Scotland is a country that is always been avowedly pro EU and it's England that are a bunch of insular anti EU *******s. Well in the 1975 "join the EEC" result, Scotland was very much less pro "EU" than England. Results here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum
Constituent country Electorate Turnout (%) Yes No
England 33,356,208 64.6% 14,918,009 68.7% 6,812,052 31.3%
Northern Ireland 1,030,534 47.4% 259,251 52.1% 237,911 47.9%
Scotland 3,688,799 61.7% 1,332,186 58.4% 948,039 41.6%
(i.e. England was 10% more europhile when the UK joined).
.. and the SNP campaigned to NOT join the EU! They were in effect LEAVERS in 1975, they were Farages of the day. Strange how this is airbrushed out of SNP history and the media currently don't mention this when Nicola gets on her "Scotland is a pro European country and always has been" soapbox?!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum
Constituent country Electorate Turnout (%) Yes No
England 33,356,208 64.6% 14,918,009 68.7% 6,812,052 31.3%
Northern Ireland 1,030,534 47.4% 259,251 52.1% 237,911 47.9%
Scotland 3,688,799 61.7% 1,332,186 58.4% 948,039 41.6%
(i.e. England was 10% more europhile when the UK joined).
.. and the SNP campaigned to NOT join the EU! They were in effect LEAVERS in 1975, they were Farages of the day. Strange how this is airbrushed out of SNP history and the media currently don't mention this when Nicola gets on her "Scotland is a pro European country and always has been" soapbox?!
I think the sexy euro ladies should be afforded free passage, maybe the criminal hombres less so.
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