Charlie. Detraveller... ETC ... SHANKSVILLE...Lets have your answers please..

All in Dr Crippen's lock up.

Not looking for a conspiracy here just 4 those that buy into the narrative and are happy with it to help me understand it.

No one is able to

DT... is on with it however his calculator is playing up ???

Maybe it works better at altitude ? I dont know for sure

SO what do you think happened on 9/11 John?

On September 11, 2001, during the terrorist attacks on the United States, Shanksville received worldwide attention after United Airlines Flight 93 crashed into a field in Stonycreek Township, 1.75 miles (2.82 km) north of the town of Shanksville, killing all 40 civilians and four Al Qaeda hijackers on board. * No evidence was found to support this
I suggest you read the rest of the wiki article.

The hijackers had intended to fly the plane to Washington, D.C. and crash it into either the Capitol or the White House.* How could they ever have established this ?
Read the Possible Targets section of the article.

However, after learning from family members via airphone * I am seriously in tears here  of the earlier attacks on the World Trade Center and The Pentagon,* Sure they did
35 calls using plane phones were made and two from cell phones (probably near the end of the flight at an altitude of under 5000 feet). I know you don't believe there were such things as phone planes but that just shows your ignorance.

Your questions capitalised, emboldened and with asterisks for some unknown reason, boil down to what happened to the plane wreckage and what happened to the bodies. The plane fragmented upon impact throwing debris up to eight miles. Lots of small pieces of the plane were recovered and some larger parts. Most of the body parts disintegrated on impact but lots of human fragments were found which enabled DNA identification.

Now you probably wont believe that but read this from Tracey Bryan on Quora:
What do debris of aircraft accidents typically look like?
https://www.quora.com/What-do-debris-of-aircraft-accidents-typically-look-like

As a junior officer who was lucky enough to be the base duty officer just after a military crash about 20 years ago, I also wore the hat of "search and rescue officer" for 24 hours, including handling images of the wreckage that were relayed back to base. I saw the photos of the crash wreckage, which unfortunately killed two guys I knew.

Nobody who didn't know better would believe that that hole in the ground contained a whole aircraft and two people. But it did.

One of the really freaky parts was seeing the fabric flying suits virtually intact, with no body in them. I was told that the body virtually "sieves through" the fabric at such high impact; and it seems the only explanation for what I saw. The investigators were even able to determine, for some of the duplicated instrument fragments, which were left-hand and which were right-hand instruments by the DNA coating, and in some instances embedded in, the fragments.

The largest part they found of either body was a section of jaw bone containing two teeth. There were some "pink smears" in places, but that was the only solid part.

From this black hole in the ground that appeared to contain nothing other than a trashcan full of parts, they eventually recreated virtually the whole aircraft in a hangar, as part of the accident investigation. A lot of the debris wasn't visible to me in those early photos; there were thousands of small parts of metal buried in the soil due to the force of the impact, which were only found after the whole soil was stripped and sieved.

Later in the same article:

People expect to see at least this much debris, but with a high angle of impact,  and/or high speed, you simply don't see anything that looks like an aircraft; you see charred bits of metal - broken up into tiny pieces - and possibly some larger parts from the engine and landing gear. You probably wouldn't even be grossed out by human remains unless you went picking through carefully, because there wouldn't be anything resembling a body, either.

It does seem difficult to believe, but having witnessed it "almost first hand", and having sat in on numerous accident investigation seminars, I assure you that an aircraft accident simply doesn't look like what most people expect.

Plus: How much plane wreckage is usually left when a plane crashes into something solid at several hundred miles per hour? https://www.quora.com/How-much-plane-wreckage-is-usually-left-when-a-plane-crashes-into-something-solid-at-several-hundred-miles-per-hour

At 767.269 miles per hour, that is the speed of sound in air, the wreckage left will be very small. Not small as in mass of debris left, but small as in the size of individual debris. Only one case of an aircraft I know of crashed into the ground at supersonic speeds - Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 1771 - that left debris so tiny, it looked like an outdoor concert area filled with confetti. Why I said not small as in mass of debris left is because the deceleration experienced by the objects and human beings on-board for such a crash will be disintegrated almost instantly, but they will still be at the crash site.

As i totally expected .. No answers whatsoever from anyone who has looked at the evidence.

I think you all need to have a long look in the mirror and see if DENIAL is tattooed across your foreheads..

Charlie .. ffs man just face it .. You cannot understand it at all can you ??  Just have a look at the evidence of the footage from said crash site. Read the first hand reports of the first responders to the site and also consider what the coroner stated on his visit to the crater. Look at the evidence of the actual footage taken from the news channels on there initial visit to the site. Its all out there but you have to look deeper than the WIKI pages for the truth.

If you really want to find the truth, and it so is important to understand this day as it shapes everything we see and do now, then spend some time researching what plane UNITED AIRLINES state landed at Cleveland Airport at approx 10-45am.. ??

You see, you get involved in a topic which is by the far the most important you will ever have the opportunity to understand yet you cannot even do that properly can you ???

i didnt expect you to but i hoped you might try.

DT... As i stated a very long time ago I cannot explain what happened.. All i can do is state what didnt.. and for me that makes it a LIE.

Sadly as that incident is clearly a LIE then the holes in the historic records for the  rest of the day become more like oceans of deceit and if you do not have the capability or comprehension to grasp the relation to what happened and why it happened then DENIAL will stay with you forever.

I cannot tell you what happened because as i have said b4 there were technologies in play that day which we cannot comprehend so better just to try and understand what didnt.

As the late great Bill Cooper famously stated many moons ago... Read about everything, Listen to everybody but do not believe it unless you can prove it with your own research !!!

I suppose the lingering thought i have is why they bothered to stage the crash here at all ?

It baffles me completely as i just cannot understand it. It is the flimsiest part of the event and is easy to see through the LIES. Not as complex as the other 3 events at all ??

Just to sum up... As i said many moons ago.. If you cannot be bothered to research this topic properly then how can i trust anything else that you put on these pages ?

It shows a complete lack of realism and comprehension to accept what is officially recorded as it may as well have a place on your bookshelf alongside the works of the BROTHERS GRIMM !!!

Oh Richie B ... Great work . Thanks for the input !!

Watching rubbish on youtube isn't "evidence"

Since making phone calls from a plane wasnt possible in 2001, do you have any idea when the first phone call form an airplane was made?

But John says no plane in 2001 had inflight calling facility.

JWH
Read the first hand reports of the first responders to the site and also consider what the coroner stated on his visit to the crater

What the coroner stated is entirely consistent with what I posted above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_IyTS4EOOk

What do you think they should have found at the site?

They had a phone on Air Force 1 when JFK was assassinated.

I'd be surprised if the hijackers would allow the passengers to relay a running comentary to the officials on the ground in any situation.
That's the first thing the terrorists would sort out.

But on JWH's new thread he said "I went from book to book, from website to website, from video to video, from official report to official report. It was a minefield. I couldn't make head nor tale of it"

So surely after all that there couldn't possible be on-board phones could there? Of course he never reads wiki so this must be wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfone

On the G5 thread:
John.W.Henry. • April 22, 2019 8:29 AM BST
DT...I never run away from answering a question and why would I lie ?

There's quite a few questions asked of him on here that he hasn't answered. Why is that?

JHW

Charlie ... omg man ..History now has the two most ridiculously unbelievably extraordinary plane crashes ever recorded, as happening on the same day within hours of each other ??? Now you do the math on that ??


What are you on about John.
Who is claiming these 4 plane crashes are independent events?

John what knowledge/experience/education in Mathematics & probability do you have?



How is your loon tube research going John. Found any evidence that it was possible to make phone calls from planes in 2001. Let me help you John.
It was possible- many planes had onboard phones attached to the seats. I have personally been on flights with these "magic phones "
Obvious really for anyone with common sense who has "researched " the subject.

You still haven't bothered to answer the most simple question.
What do you believe DID HAPPEN on 9/11.

Looks like JWH is not a man of his word and wont answer any questions. Reminds me of somebody else.

I will give you a reponse dog breathe, back in 2001 a mobile phone wouldn't have been able to have worked at 30,000 ft or whtever height they fly at so how the hell could that work? Answers on a postcard. My question to you trolls is....how could WTC7 come down exactly like the other two without a lot of assistance? And how did the BBC reporter know is was coming down half an hour before it did.?

* for phone read plane.

Its boll0cks