Madeleine McCann - DNA

@lybertyne -- Girl wouldn't go bed, daddy hit her too hard.

Unlikely but the question remains, where's the body? Whatever theories you come up with, and after a few seconds' thought, how about -- she's three; woke up needing the toilet; needed a parent for wiping duties; went out of the flat to look for them -- which seems more likely than two (sober at this stage) doctors losing their rag at a toddler, the questions remain the same.

Was she abducted, is she still alive, and where is she?

Apr 28, 2019 -- 1:40PM, The Dragon wrote:

excellent documentary on this on netflix wellworth a watch.convinced me that the parents had nothing to do with it for sure

it is a terrible series. Though as it is aiming to persuade people they had nothing to do with it ( by leaving out a lot of info that incriminates them ) I suppose it succeeds on it's own terms.

Zero evidence she was abducted. Zero evidence she is alive ( some evidence that she is dead)

Apr 27, 2019 -- 7:57PM, blank wrote:

They must not have confidence in the other experts abilities. If they preserve the DNA they might be almost certain that they will be able to decipher it in the future with advances in technology, but if they give it to the other expert and it fails they may not be able to use it in the future. Probably takes an expert in DNA and the technology to make that call.

Why try and solve it already, only been 12 years. Just wait 20 years till technology moves on...

Apr 28, 2019 -- 1:40PM, The Dragon wrote:

excellent documentary on this on netflix wellworth a watch.convinced me that the parents had nothing to do with it for sure

Crazy it is a terrible series. Though as it is aiming to persuade people they had nothing to do with it ( by leaving out a lot of info that incriminates them ) I suppose it succeeds on it's own terms.


I agree, Netflix documentary series very biased toward their claims of innocence. Despite leaving out or rebuffing evidence, I am still ( on balance) of the opinion ,there is something very odd about the parents.

Apr 28, 2019 -- 1:40PM, The Dragon wrote:

excellent documentary on this on netflix wellworth a watch.convinced me that the parents had nothing to do with it for sure

You are the first person to say this about the Netflix documentary. Watch the Bogart series on YouTube. He goes over all the evidence and inconsistencies, and you will be left in no doubt as to what happened.

It would be interesting to see your opinion after watching it The Dragon.

Operation Grange seemingly do not want Dr Perlin ( a pioneer in this field) to analyse the DNA, which John Lowe found beyond his capabilities for two possible reasons.

1. Because it's likely Madeleine's DNA will be extracted.
2. It will expose John Lowe (the British DNA "expert") and lead to questions as to why the parents have not been treated as suspects.

jeez, another mccan thread, time to let your obsession go allinR1 and others. Btw, what tober never metions is that the crime scene and it's evidence was trampled all over for 24 hours before it was sealed off with all and sundry coming and going, and the fact it was a rented apartment, God knows how many people would have had a cut key to the it not to mention family members of the owners, or the fact the apartment was situated  on the periphery of the complex on the ground floor, quick easy access in and out, or how exactly could they possibly have disposed of the body in a short space of time never to be found. Keyboard warriors very good at pointing the finger at selective 'evidence', very poor at balanced observations, and that's because it's a great chance to showcase what great parents they are, look at me I would never leave my kids home alone, look at them what horrible people, they must be guilty, and their phoney hatred becomes palpable when they have  likeminded company, 'gang mentality'. Turn it in ffs, we get the message, you are the greatest parent in the world.

Keys cut ?

The apartment wasn't locked was it ?

SA, you would know that the McCann's claimed the doors were left UNLOCKED (as most people do with three young children abroad), so no need for a key. Kate McCann also claimed the window was open when she found it, yet nobody else claimed this.

It's unfortunate that the scene was not closed off earlier, however, I don't see how this is significant in the grand scheme of things.

SA you keep giving your opinion here but you don't even seem to know the basics.

Who is SA ?

The front door was locked, the patio doors at the back unlocked, locked or unlocked, an intruder would bring keys and leave his fingerprints/dna present, it's one of the first areas forensics check.

SH

Apr 28, 2019 -- 3:40PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

The front door was locked, the patio doors at the back unlocked, locked or unlocked, an intruder would bring keys and leave his fingerprints/dna present, it's one of the first areas forensics check.

Exactly, and there were no fingerprint or DNA of an intruder found! You seem to suggest the fact that the scene was not cornered off right away means all evidence would disappear, and I don't believe that is correct at all.

Why do you think Kate changed her story to say that the window was open when she got there? Yet in their statements none of the tapas mention the window being opened. Kate decided to close it and not mention it to anyone?

Even Colin Sutton suggests that there was an attempt to wash blood away, which helps explain why John Lowe failed to brake down the samples. But here we have a pioneer, with a successful background offering his services, and no one is biting his arm off!

Some people just believe what they want to believe regardless of evidence and facts.

prehaps they were wearing those hand protection equipment formely known as gloves.
The window in the bedroom had a lock, cleaners unlocked and open windows to let air in whilst cleaning, who knows if they forgot to lock it. I imagine in Kate's complete frantic state she could not remember what was like what, all she knew was her child was missing. Where there is blood people do tend to try and wash it away rather than leave it there and you last line is laughable as that describes you. time to let your obsession with a missing little girl go, it's unhealthy now.

"time to let your obsession with a missing little girl go"

If the doors to the Flat were Left open , they should have been charged with Neglect , if this were a working class couple that would have happened , How can anyone Leave 3 little kids in a Flat and Go out on the PISH popping back every Half hour
??? INCREDIBLE BEHAVIOUR IMO ..

That's why people have an obsession with the case , Seems to have been an obsession of throwing millions of Pounds at it As well ..

MY MRS WOULD NEVER " NEVER " leave our Girls alone in our own house never mind in a flat in a strange Resort , They are guilty of Neglect at a Minimum , END OF >

the old nanny, that first paragraph is exactly what I'm talking about, yet another open goal for people to declare what great parents they are.

I don't even think necessarily that they are innoncent, I've no idea and would not be surprised either way as there is not enough compelling evidence either way, Gerry is certainly an odd fellow, his "f off I'm not here to enjoy myself" quote on the bus pre disapperance is bizarre, and he comes across as odd in interviews, but that's obv not enough for evidence lol.

As for the working class thing, I agree. But that's not why people have an obsession at all.

Apr 28, 2019 -- 3:54PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

prehaps they were wearing those hand protection equipment formely known as gloves.The window in the bedroom had a lock, cleaners unlocked and open windows to let air in whilst cleaning, who knows if they forgot to lock it. I imagine in Kate's complete frantic state she could not remember what was like what, all she knew was her child was missing. Where there is blood people do tend to try and wash it away rather than leave it there and you last line is laughable as that describes you. time to let your obsession with a missing little girl go, it's unhealthy now.

I'm trying not to laugh at this. The window being locked or not locked is irrelevant. Kate claimed she found the window open when she checked the room, yet not one other person who "trampled" on the crime scene stated it was open! That's because it wasn't open!!

As for the blood, why was there blood behind the sofa? And why would the McCann's want to wash away blood that wasn't theirs, which is hidden behind the sofa!!!! Especially when it's not their apartment!!

You keep trying to find an answer for everything, yet you are not doing a good job!!

Watch the Bogart series and then you will know (based on facts and evidence what really happened). Anyone who wants to know the facts has to watch it.

https://youtu.be/5F1RLNQ4-kI

Btw Gerry's "f off I'm not here to enjoy myself" is irrelevant, as Bogart says, it's just a saying, nothing more.

Of course people are still going to be interested in this story, what with the hysteria that's been whipped up by the media frenzy and the fact that the big mystery has yet to be solved as she is still missing

The netfix series was awful in that it gave the impression that (unlike Portugal) it's perfectly normal behaviour in Britain to leave very young children without supervision all evening whilst you go out enjoying yourself. It certainly isn't.

When you see the local Portuguese women in floods of tears / real emotion on their faces, it's in stark contrast to the parents behaviour during press conferences. They looked unconcerned, with the mother doing that 'no tears' fake crying / broken voice thing, Gerry putting his arm around her looked a deliberate act, no spontaneity or naturalness about it . This was the very next day after Maddy went missing.

Fishy.

I wouldn't trust Netflix to tell me what day of the month Christmas falls on.

did nexflix mention how Gerry,s tennis lesson went

Police enter room and don't bother sealing anything off, window shut?....google casa pia. High ranking people involved in abuse. Would make sense not following protocol on the day when you think about. If you think the McCanns's are fishy, no more as fishy as Goncarlo Amaro.

just sayingas i saw it inept Portuguese police, Cant think why (NF) they would report from a biase perspective????

Abducted by persons unknown for me

Apr 28, 2019 -- 6:35PM, The Dragon wrote:

just sayingas i saw it inept Portuguese police, Cant think why (NF) they would report from a biase perspective????Abducted by persons unknown for me

Watch the Bogart series and (based on evidence and facts) am sure that you will think and see things differently.

The big shame is that Amaral was not allowed to do his job properly, which was to follow the evidence. The British government are to thank for that.

Also in the aftermath of her disappearance nobody could account for Gerry's whereabouts, when everyone else was either in the apartment or outside searching. During this time, the Smith family saw a man carrying a child. Their sketch of the man strongly resembles Gerry and he later  said he was more sure than not it was Gerry McCann. There are so many inconsistencies it's unbelievable.

Scandinavian, I'm assuming that you haven't bothered to watch Bogart's series. It will open your eyes to what really happened, not just what the McCann's and MSM have been feeding.

sure I mentioned this in the last marathon McCann thread about Bogart, but why do you think he has disabled comments on nearly all of his videos? no counter arguments, no debates, no questioning of his analysis, nothing, nothing allowed, you will believe what I tell you to believe style of documentary making is not really worth the watch is it.

As for Amaral, guy was a loudmouth clown who could/would not stop behaving so amateurishly making a series of grandsweeping public statements - before going on to sell a book about it/make money from a 'dead child' - his assumption.

Apr 28, 2019 -- 7:02PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

sure I mentioned this in the last marathon McCann thread about Bogart, but why do you think he has disabled comments on nearly all of his videos? no counter arguments, no debates, no questioning of his analysis, nothing, nothing allowed, you will believe what I tell you to believe style of documentary making is not really worth the watch is it.

I really don't believe he disables the comments. His videos aren't monetised either and there are a few episodes,/trailers which comments are still allowed.

As for Amaral,i completely disagree.he was trying to do his job until the McCann's got the media involved so they could publicise their preferred narrative and hinder the investigation, which is exactly what they achieved. And then of course Gordon brown sent in Clarence Mitchell so he could feed the public misinformation, which he succeeded in doing so.

The McCann's stopped him from doing his job, which he lost because he refused to budge from the actual evidence (good for him!), He lost everything including his family for sticking to his principles and job.

He releases a book which not only defends himself but tells the world what really happened as opposed to the McCann's who raised millions from the public , money which has mainly been used to further their lives.

It's so frustrating that you can't see what's gone on. Please watch all of Bogart's series!!!

'The Madeleine McCann case solve' part 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 - comments are disabled, only part 14/15 'the closing arguments' are comments not disabled. The other vids are random debunking vids.

He had a reputation for  heavy handedness in previous cases, he sold a book for money, get over it, he was unprofessional and kept spouting off in public, he could not care less whether she's dead or alive.

Well the comments section was at some point was enabled for all episodes.

Anyway, there's more chance of getting through to a brick wall. Why are you so obsessed with the comments section anyway? If it was on TV you would just take the information his hard work  has presented and move on.

Anyhow, according to you Amaral is disgraced. Neither he Portuguese people nor the Portuguese supreme court agree with you.

I'd suggest that if you don't like the topic, and you clearly don't let facts of evidence get in the way of your opinion, then you should stay off these threads.

We'll take you word for it it was, but now it is disabled, kaput, can't say anything, can't challenge anything.

Ah the Portugese establisment - you mean all those types caught up in Casa Pia? or the types who were so unprofessional they didn't not have the brains to tape off the crime scene for 24 hours ffs.

I suggest you stop obsessing over a missing girl that nobody has any real idea about, there are people paid and paid well to find out what happened and after 12 years nothing, also I'm sure you would like me to stay off as it means you have carte blanche to keep peddling the same old tired rubbish.

Wouldn't be the first time you were caught out lying though would it?

reminds me of this on the last thread where you just randomly lie




Firstly - let's look at how quickly you shift the goal posts

AllinR1
Apparently no body = no death

Then

AllinR1
You have certainly implied that no body means she's unlikely to have died in that apartment, when all the evidence and the belief of the Portuguese police (who know much more than us) suggest that is what happened.



So you've quickly went  from saying that I said there was no body so no death to that I implied that no body means she's unlikely to have died in that apartment



Let's look at what I actually said.

scandanavian_haven 17 Mar 19 00:26
The truth of the matter is this, until there is a body found, everything else will just be either circumstantial or inconclusive, there is no hard evidence whatsoever.

scandanavian_haven 17 Mar 19 16:24
I don't remember saying that she did not die there, I haven't got a clue whether she is dead or alive and if she is dead where she died, what I've said is that unless a body is found, nobody will ever really know what happened, there is nothing conclusive.

No mention whatsoever that I said conclusively there was no body no death OR that I said it was unlikely she died there because there was no body, there above you can clearly see I said nobody knows either way and I haven't called it either way.

that would be the crime scene with according to kate open doors,forced windows and abductors on the loose as she left her 2 twins alone after their sister was taken [ they've took her ] and went back to tgapas bar

if a child goes missing on holiday and her 2 twins are still their ,theres not a policemen,person in the world who in the next few hours would consider that a crime scene,any father,mother,family friend would turn that apartment over looking for the kid,not worried about it been a possible crime scene the following morning

Agree with both your posts 1st time

Apr 28, 2019 -- 8:30PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

Wouldn't be the first time you were caught out lying though would it?reminds me of this on the last thread where you just randomly lieFirstly - let's look at how quickly you shift the goal postsAllinR1Apparently no body = no deathThenAllinR1You have certainly implied that no body means she's unlikely to have died in that apartment, when all the evidence and the belief of the Portuguese police (who know much more than us) suggest that is what happened.So you've quickly went  from saying that I said there was no body so no death to that I implied that no body means she's unlikely to have died in that apartmentLet's look at what I actually said.scandanavian_haven 17 Mar 19 00:26 The truth of the matter is this, until there is a body found, everything else will just be either circumstantial or inconclusive, there is no hard evidence whatsoever.scandanavian_haven 17 Mar 19 16:24I don't remember saying that she did not die there, I haven't got a clue whether she is dead or alive and if she is dead where she died, what I've said is that unless a body is found, nobody will ever really know what happened, there is nothing conclusive.No mention whatsoever that I said conclusively there was no body no death OR that I said it was unlikely she died there because there was no body, there above you can clearly see I said nobody knows either way and I haven't called it either way.

Is this the best you can come up with? Where is the lie that you are clamming?

You are wrong. Firstly there have been convictions worldwide where a body has not been found. This is why circumstantial evidence is key. All the evidence (before Amaral was stopped in its tracks) was pointing to Madeleine's death in that apartment.

So despite the evidence, you seem to think it's not conclusive that she died there. I am saying it is.

Feel free to point out this "lie" of mine.

Basically you can't take being told that your uneducated opinion is wrong so you try different tactics.

You were also told on the last thread by others that Amaral is not "disgraced" and this was backed up by the Portuguese Supreme Court, yet you carry on.

You are seriously lame.

Further, an bigger expert (and likely to be more neutral) has offered to test the samples to extract the DNA, yet Operation Grange seem against this.

What is obvious is that there is no desire to test these samples (in the car and behind the sofa) to determine whose DNA make up the samples, despite John Lowe's incapabilities.

The reason the evidence isn't there is because certain people don't want there to be evidence.

You stupidly talk about people washing away blood, without considering how blood got behind the sofa!! And why they would want to wash away blood that isn't there's and is in a rented apartment.

Keep it coming Scandinavian, perhaps you can apply for Amarals former job

You stupidly say that people just believe what they want to believe, yet you are promoting someone who posted 13 (thirteen) videos with disabled comments - someone who wants everyone watching to believe exactly what he wants them to believe, but oh no, it's ME instead

Apr 28, 2019 -- 9:29PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

You stupidly say that people just believe what they want to believe, yet you are promoting someone who posted 13 (thirteen) videos with disabled comments - someone who wants everyone watching to believe exactly what he wants them to believe, but oh no, it's ME instead

Lol no one has to believe what he says ...but he has kindly gone through the evidence and facts as well as the inconsistencies in the Tapas 9s stories.you k eep focusing on the comments section just further proves what an idiot you are.

You clearly ignore ALL of the evidence which shows that she died there, come out with petty comments and repeat yourself.

With over 10,000 posts on here, I think it's time you found a new hobby. You're both boring and irritating.

I'm still waiting for you to explain this lie of mine, and then I will be ignoring you. I'm truly amazed just how stupid you are.

And now you've reduced yourself to criticising posts counts lol, desperate times, 10000 posts in 8 years, that amounts to about about 3.5 posts per day which I can make it minutes, yes I really need a new hobby. And you might want to take a closer look at some of the posters/forum anoraks who far outweigh me when it comes to postings, you know the likes of whom agree with you on these and other McCann threads.

I'm truly amazed just how stupid you are.

Back to insults, which is about your level. And usually a sign an argument has been lost, toys out of pram, but btw, coming from you it doesn't really mean much, sorry.

Re-read the requoted post from 8.30, you said that I sad that if there was no body there was no abduction, which I never once said, I then pushed you on it to show me where I said that, you couldn't find it so you then shifted the goal posts/lied to say that I 'implied' that, again I aske you to go and find the quotes where I implied then, you couldn't/didn't so I did it for you to show exactly what I said, and there you have it, you have form for making things up to suit your argument, like now pretending the comments on bogarts channel were once open, yeah, right. ok. We believe you.

Lol read the paragraph you posted, and is the best you can do. Your comments are being rejected by more people than just I and you can't take it.

It says apparently no body = no death. I've then said you implied it..which is Correct.

You are suggesting she did not die in that apartment because of a lack of evidence!! When there is tons of evidence available. The Pj files and Bogart's series.

You keep going over the same things even though people try hard to get through that thick skull of yours. You suggest a murder/crime could not be solved leading to no conviction, and that's just more stupid comments.

Clearly you have not much better to do in your life than chat on every thread in the forum, especially when no one seems to agree with you! You are both naive and very very stupid.

Circumstantial evidence leads to convictions all the time, and if the police were to give Dr Perlin the chance to analyse the DNA we'd get much further to the truth, or are you to stupid to realise that too?

You are seriously lame and boring to boot and the fact you had to copy and paste that in an attempt to discredit me has further made you seem like an uneducated fool.

You APOLOGISED in the last thread
and now you're denying it? eh?


scandanavian_haven    23 Mar 19 10:45

he has a habit of shifting the goalposts, kept accusing me of saying that I said no body meant there was no abduction - when I said no such thing and asked him to prove it he couldn't so instead changed it to I definitely implied that was the case - then posted my own quotes only for him to finally admit it, makes stuff up as he goes along as he has convinced himself the case has been solved.


AllinR1    23 Mar 19 11:51 
Mar 23, 2019 -- 10:45AM, scandanavian_haven wrote:
We are now at the stage where you have previously said her DNA has been found and now you are saying it might be hers.
he has a habit of shifting the goalposts, kept accusing me of saying that I said no body meant there was no abduction - when I said no such thing and asked him to prove it he couldn't so instead changed it to I definitely implied that was the case - then posted my own quotes only for him to finally admit it, makes stuff up as he goes along as he has convinced himself the case has been solved.


Disappointed with this comment SH.

Shrewd is stating that first I said her DNA has been found, now I am saying it might be hers?

As far as I recall I haven't changed my mind on anything, and all we have been doing in the last few posts is try to establish what the expert has written, and in his report he states that in his opinion the results of the DNA are inconclusive, therefore it might be (partially) hers and he does not discount this.

So to now say I've changed my mind I very very wrong.

In fact it was Shrewd who was implying that the boot DNA came from a non McCann source. He had posted the DNA report, which (correct me if I am wrong) doesn't state this.

I accept that I was wrong in that exchange SH, as I was being barraged by yourself and Shrewd, but I apologise for getting it wrong. I am really just wanting any evidence that might factually suggest that she did not die in that apartment.







Have a day off

and now you're throwing temper tantrums and throwing more insults in because you can't get your way, booho.

Lol so now he changes his point and adds an apology which suggests that I retracted what I said...yes you ignored that to try to make a point!! You are embarrassing and an idiot.

Surely a liar does not correct their mistakes!!!

Do you know the definition of a liar???

1100 posts coming, you really need a break from here. Maybe go do some research and come back.

Lol you are so pathetic!!!!

Spending all day every day on the betfair forum, embarrassing yourself constantly, ignoring when people correct you...

So first claims i am a liar, then posts me correcting myself hence not a liar, yet you choose what narrative you want! Only to change it once I've pointed out once again you are wrong.

So Ill retract that apology!! Thanks for letting me reread it and see I had no reason to apologise!

Seriously dude, you are not very bright. Do you have ADHD? That could help explain it.

Now you have claimed I lied...feel free to elaborate on this lie!! Although being on this forum 24/7 can't be good for your health.

Further you have also made stupid comments like the scent of cadaver was found on Kate's clothes, despite her not wearing her NHS clothes on holiday. In fact all you do is keep spewing the same old crap for which you have no evidence or common sense to what you say.

By all means stay on the thread...it's always good to have someone to laugh at.

What an embarassing meltdown

Like a petulant child crying his eyes out when his mummy wont give him his bottle, ah bless.

Lol!!! Telling yourself that doesn't make it true. Clearly you have nothing better to do than spend your life on here even on subjects where you are repeatedly corrected!!!

11,000 posts in 6 months.

As zodiac would say...get a life...of a wife.oñly embarrassment here is you

meltdown continues.

A quick look at the chit chat main board and posters who have more posts than me, tobermory 46,000, akabula 35000, terrymcann 11000, crippen 38000, all need to get a life according to you, lol.

You seem to have made it your lifeswork/obsession to try and solve a case by simply regurgitating what some nut on youtube has said, the one where he doesn't allow critque, may I kindly suggest it's you who needs to get out more.

Lol kindly suggest all you want...doesn't detract away from the truth. I'd also suggest the other posters you mentioned (and you have the time and desire to check and state how many posts they've made), probably contribute positively to the forum unlike you.

You have repeated that the crime scene was trampled on and that Amaral is disgraced...straight from the Sun!!

I very much doubt anyone takes you or your opinions seriously which explains why you spend so much time on here!!

Saying I having a meltdown doesn't make it true, just as The Sun saying Amaral is disgraced doesn't make it true.

The only nut here is you. Get out more and try to find a wife is the best advice I can offer you.

shifting of the goalposts again, you insulted everyone with more than 10000 posts and told them to get life, you have been going bat sh1t crazy for 24 hours because you simply do not like any sort of counter argument, you've made you mind up thanks to the your mate bogart who looks like your typical run-of-the-mill conspiracy nut, have a lie down, find a differnt hobby, it's cringworthy reading your girly rants.

And guess what, if you make another thread I will also balance the argument out again, I'm 50/50 on whether they're guilty, there is nothing conclusive, so no amount of throwing hissy fits will make me not, cheers.

You come on this thread telling us to let our obsession go, yet you are still here. I'd say that's quite contradictory.

Secondly, you seem to think that you offer a balanced argument,but you don't/haven't and that's what's so frustrating.

The only person I should have insulted is you. You went as far as to look at the number of posts certain users have made and posted it here. Even you should be able to see how sad that is. I'm willing to bet that most of those you mention are either I'll or elderly so posting on here makes sense to me. It's the nature of your posts that are frustrating, you say things without thinking just for the thrill.

You didn't even know that the doors were opened yet you go into details of who might have a key when that wasn't even necessary. To not know a simple fact like that (which was also pointed out by someone else) and claim to offer a balanced argument should be a source of embarrassment to you. I know I could find many other examples on the last thread if I could be bothered, but I can't.

I'm  part-time on here, you are a regular..and I'm willing to bet that you are making a scene on this thread because you get no respect for your input on the forum.

No offence to you Scandanavian Haven but I doubt you will ever be an asset to this forum.

**stand back - he's going to explode**

I wish bf would introduce a character limit similar to twitter.
I can't follow the longer posts because of my failing sight.

Must be going over the same ground for at least the 20th time.
Only known is that the McCanns were negligent in parenting.
Nothing has been proved to show anything other than that.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/05/madeleine-mccann-investigators-probe-convicted-child-killer/

"He resembles a photofit issued in 2013 of a man who was spotted acting suspiciously in Praia da Luz around the time Madeleine was abducted.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCann's spokesman said: "It might be him and he fits the profile, he is a known predatory paedophile and he's a foreigner."


Looks like they've solved it!

Every time the money is running out a"new lead" appears which requires further funding  I think enough has been spent on this.

this new lead is in jail, and if he confessed the gravy train would be over..

probably best to have a couple more years in portugal, before interviewing
prisoner, ...

Almost Certainly Dead Con , we have a German Pedo has come out of the Woodwork to Keep things Simmering , As Donny said
Mucho Golf and Drinking on the Horizon .. Good work if you can get it .

AS per below Millions of People have studied the Case world Wide , Including So Called experts what is to be gain by Going to Portugal again , I would say , nowt .

I may be speaking out of turn here,but if  a young child was lost in Benadorm to a couple of young parents from the north (who went out of a drink) they would be in prison till the day the perpetrator was caught ...it STINKS

the McCann's are from the North.

Yep Leicester is north of the Watford gap

Gerry is from Scotland, Kate is a Scouser

Yep ,I was born in Calcutta ,still english

you said if they were from the north they'd be treated differnt, sorry but both Liverpool and Scotland are in the north, they didn't move to Leicester till they were early 30's.

People seem to have forgotten they they were hammered by the media at first, they haven't always been on their side.

Fair comment,was my statement wrong?. Any evidence to substantiate it? Because all I see is smoke screens and mirrors, your opinion bud?

scandanavian_haven • May 5, 2019 6:51 PM BST
you said if they were from the north they'd be treated differnt, sorry but both Liverpool and Scotland are in the north, they didn't move to Leicester till they were early 30's.

People seem to have forgotten they they were hammered by the media at first, they haven't always been on their side.cles

Could you point me in the direction of said media articles please? I have absolutely no recollection what so ever of them.

this was 12 years ago. Once the PR team got involved, things started to change.

Conditor,your point is valid,but their getting off lightly is probably more of a class/income thing rather than geographical.

PR team were drafted in nigh on immediately mate

they definitely were criticised by the media in the aftermath

they even sued a portuguese paper  that year

Once it became clear the parents had left 3 kids alone and then Kate refused to answer 48 questions criticism was bound to come.

Clarence Mitchell started to manipulate the media within 48 hours of the story breaking.

What Injera said

Yep barrowboy maybe I did overstate,which was wrong,the problem I have with the case is so, 1 why are the police so inept at finding the perpetrators,2 the media attack anyone with the slightest blemish,(have not 2 people been payed out on the media’s accusations?) 3 have not the Mcanns become some sort of celebrity status,... . Next it will be aliens,..this is a young girls life, not something in a Dickens novel

does the face of the new patsy fit the tanner id photo
is this peado amongst the pewado,s supposedly watching the complex
are the burglars still on their phones around the complex,

I,m waiting for the day someone confesses to been intent on snatching her but decided to snatch a kid at the airport it was far quieter ,

sleepy resort in Algarve where you cant get in the street for burlgars,peado,s,charity collectors,gypo,s,murat,watchers,tapas 7 up and down like binns lift,

ist time poster............putting smiley faces at the end of  a sentence  doesn't make your comments funny

She is dead and Gone  ,The best case scenario is an accidental Drug over dose ,the worse does not bear thinking about , The media obsession is Scandalous ,Tragic  case that should be left to rest ..

Bar a confession I do not see how anyone could even be charged , the truth will never be Known , this Mobs repeated trips to
Portugal take some explaining ...

Parents to blame 100%, whether they had anything to do with her disappearance or not.
We all take our kids on holiday, but how many of us have left them alone THAT YOUNG !,
total selfishness and child neglect at the very least, The poor little girl, so sad.

my Sentiments. Still only a few see

A problem is that Dr Perlin (and his advanced methods) have offered to analyse the blood samples from behind the sofa and in the car. Blood that John Lowe could not analyse (if that's to be believed). Why would Operation Grange not bite his arm off unless there's a chance he discovers something they don't want the world to know.

Yes spot on Dam  ,  Friends with the Camerons ,seem to Remember them on the Pish Sunday Lunch, left the daughter behind in the Pub .

they definitely were criticised by the media in the aftermath

Not by the UK media they weren't. They've been cosseted from day 1 by the UK media.

They sued the Sunday Times for 55k for saying they hindered the investigation.

They sued the Express for half a million pounds for allegations they were responsible for their daughters death.

They criticised the press complaints comission and it's successor for not dong enough.

They criticised the press at the Leverson inquiry about their treatment at the hands of the media who made insinuations they were responsible.

News of the world printed Kate's personal diaries.

After the D notice was lifted?

Any criticism they received was delayed, minimal and buried under an avalanche of blind eyes, turned or otherwise.
Take this for example. They sued the Sunday Times over an article which they claimed gave the impression they hindered the investigation.

The UK media was fully behind the Mccanns from day 1 up until 4 months later when the evidence against them became apparent. They didn't exactly turn on them at that point; just reported the facts of the case. From the 6 month point though the case seemed to stall and there was nothing new to report. The tabloids knew putting Madeleine on the cover sold a lot more copies, but there was no newsworthy reason to do so. The Daily Express decided to use the Diana solution, just make stuff up and put her photo on the front. So they printed nonsense like the Mccanns had sold her to a circus, they figured the real evidence against them put them beyond libel. But they died and won. From that point on the tabloids knew if they wanted Maddy on the front page it has to be with the abduction story.

*died = sued (predictive text fail)

Kate and Gerry McCann made an impassioned plea for press regulation after delivering an emotional account of their treatment by the tabloids, describing the string of "disgusting" and "offensive" stories published about them.

Appearing as witnesses at the Leveson inquiry into press standards, the McCanns gave the most powerful testimony heard so far, speaking for nearly two hours without a break as they described the ordeal they have been subjected to by parts of the media since their daughter Madeleine went missing in Portugal four years ago.

Kate McCann told a hushed courtroom at the Royal Courts of Justice in London how she felt "totally violated" after the publication by the News of the World of her personal diaries in which she recorded her thoughts about her missing daughter.

She said the now defunct newspaper had showed "absolutely no respect for me as a grieving mother" when it ran the story in September 2008 under the headline Kate's Diary: In Her Own Words. "I'd written these words, my thoughts, at the most desperate time of my life," she said.

Mrs McCann added that she had talked about "climbing into a hole and not coming out" after the article appeared. "It made me feel very vulnerable and small. That whole week was very traumatic and every time I thought about it I couldn't believe the injustice."

Her husband, Gerry, said the couple wanted an investigation into how the diary, which was seized and copied by Portuguese police, was leaked to the Murdoch tabloid. Lord Justice Leveson, who has legal powers to summon witnesses and compel evidence, indicated that he might heed their call.

Mr McCann said British newspapers had declared "open season" on them a few months after Madeleine's disappearance in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007. It was "crass and insensitive", he argued, to say that because they engaged with the media in an attempt to find their daughter "the press can write whatever they like about you without punishment. There are standards but there are no penalties for not sticking to them. I see front page headlines every day … and I think information is being written and lives are being harmed by these stories and something has to change. The commercial imperative is not acceptable."

The McCanns' evidence is likely to strengthen the argument for a stricter regime of press regulation. Leveson, who was appointed by David Cameron at the height of the phone-hacking crisis, is due to report within a year.

The McCanns painted a disturbing picture of life at the centre of a media scrum. Gerry McCann said: "We expected the storm to calm with the passage of time but it continued day after day. We had anecdotal evidence from the British journalists in Praia da Luz that the story of Madeleine's disappearance had caught the imagination of the British public and was driving sales in the UK. As a result those journalists were under intense pressure from their newsdesks to file more copy."

Photographers camped outside the house, Kate McCann said, frightening their two young children. "There were several occasions where they would bang on the windows. Amelie said to me several times: 'Mummy, I'm scared.'"

Her husband accused a former editor of the News of the World, Colin Myler, of "berating" them for conducting a 2008 interview with Hello! magazine on the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance.

The couple sued Express Newspapers and secured unprecedented front-page apologies in 2008 after two of the group's titles ran stories which included the allegation that they had sold their daughter to pay off debts. Describing that as "nothing short of disgusting", Gerry McCann said he was amazed no one at Express Newspapers, which also paid the couple record damages of £550,000, had lost their job.

"I've seen no journalist or editor brought to account, be it the Express or any other group … they are repeat offenders, they should lose their privilege of practising," he said.

The McCanns argued that newspapers should not be allowed to take pictures of subjects when they are in public places. They also spoke movingly about their reaction to a front-page Daily Mirror story about Madeleine that declared: "She's dead". It was based on an article in a Portuguese paper, which quoted a source close to the police investigation who said they didn't know if she was alive or dead. Gerry McCann said they learned about the story at 11pm when they were just about to go to bed. "That was one of the most distressing headlines that was just taken from supposition. It was incredible."

Talking about her diary, Kate McCann said she believed that it was taken from her by Portuguese police and later returned. However, she said that someone must have photocopied the private diary and given it to the press.

She said there were minor differences between her own diaries and those that were published by the NoW, leading her to believe that they had been translated from Portuguese and back again.

The paper apologised a week after publishing the diaries and said: "We published the extracts in the belief held in good faith that we had Kate's permission to do so."

Leveson indicated that he might call the journalist who wrote the story to give evidence and might also question other senior executives at the paper, which was closed by Rupert Murdoch in July, about how the diaries were obtained.

The point is regardless of when - the press gave them a hard time and it wasn't always support that was my initial point.

Not just the written press, I distinctly remember criticism on tv shows early morning, questioning them.

Well there's plenty to question!

i think they got some great help from the press to start off, but as the story expanded and grew there
was lots of negative stuff too.

It's worth remembering that the McCanns actually broke Portuguese law by contacting the press whilst the investigation had barely started. They did this to get their story and narrative out there before the evidence came to light.

Once all the evidence pointed to no abduction and holes in their story, the press rightly targeted the McCanns, but their tactics allowed them to raise millions from public sympathy, claiming it was to aid in the search for Madeleine, when in reality it was used to sue/silence those who reported on the evidence/their involvement.

Tony Bennett was one of the first people to report on the facts of the case, and he, just like Amaral and some newspapers were sued into silence.

The Leveson enquiry was a joke,Kate claimed things like the DNA found in the car wasn't fluids (because it was dry!) and because this happened before the evidence was known, they were allowed to say whatever they wanted.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-american-scientist-says-18881427

Old news being rehashed to fill space during the silly season. But it seems strange that the official investigation seems to want to investigate potential abductors but is not interested in the small amount of genuine evidence that exists.

If the case is solved, the jollies to Portugal cease.