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Bet Caroline Lucas would love it if there was PR and REAL far right parties started getting seats? .. although that phrase is now totally devalued as anyone left of Lenin is now called a "racist" or "far right", as Lucas just proved in her next paragraph. Be a nice education perhaps to her kind as what it REALLY means.

*anyone right of Lenin.

I was only half watching, I didn't realise Cable until a minute ago as it's been the "Caroline Lucas" show, as expected.

.. and "Racist and a Misogynst" literally just came out of the mouth of this idiot woman, the perenial question time bingo card favourite. Talk about predictable...

Mr Actor has had enough and almost loses it when the Green Marxist tries to interupt him. Great stuff :)

Vince Cable and Caroline Lucas. Putting me off from watching.
But might give it a go if the poker fails me.

Maybe FFW to towards the end (skipping the endless Brexit and Trump bashing territory that is mind numingly repetitive) to when the actor on the left virtually erupts in rage at Lucas. Great TV. We think it, he does it.

At least the actor, whoever he is, gave us a good laugh when he lost the plot

Egotistical, doddering old fool

.... the actor that is, not you Aka.

In a blind hearing test, I doubt you could tell if it was him or Brian Blessed saying "Gordon's alive!".
He made a lot of good points. The audience liked him. Age? The "aren't young kids climate change experts" bit at the start, as they fell over themselves to show how "down they are with the yoof" was a bit sickening..

Need to liven this show up with progressive people like Natalie McGarry.
What do you think Mac?

Got it on now.

Incredibly inspiring. Should be getting the belt for missing school.
A 16 yo who knows it all ffs.

Fast forwarded to the baldy guy in the audience. What a plum

Ashworth talking chyt about Trump and the NHS.

Greta Thunberg has done more than anybody on the Planet to highlight the issue and dangers of climate change and should be applauded. Everybody all over the world is speaking about it because of her.

Climate change is a non political issue and needs to be dealt with. It won`t effect us but as custodians of the planet, we owe it to our children and their children etc etc.

TBF it's very easy to lose it with Caroline Lucas.

Yes she's done well but this explosion of children on our streets is just nonsense.
I bet a few of them would struggle with spelling climate change.
But the virtue signallers will egg them on.

TBH I do applaud her and I do believe we are affecting the climate adversely, but then on the flip side you've got the people praising her to make themselves look good + the 10000s of kids brainwashed into believing the world is going to end in 2030 and that they are the "last generation" and all the other bollox, holding up Socialist Worker banners. Train wreck of a situation and nothing to be praise.

Off topic I know but did you read about McGarry JC?

I'm afraud not. I was too busy embezzled in a good book to follow the news .

Part of the money came from the Glasgow Regional branch of the SNP where she was Treasurer, Secretary. and Convener.
What could go wrong with that set up.

SNP are the last centre left party standing. if only the english could vote.
well they can in edinburgh, aberdeen, perthshire & the highlands. thousands
of them up in them parts. all very welcome.

Greta Thunberg has done more than anybody on the Planet to highlight the issue and dangers of climate change and should be applauded. Everybody all over the world is speaking about it because of her.

Climate change is a non political issue and needs to be dealt with. It won`t effect us but as custodians of the planet, we owe it to our children and their children etc etc.

Non-political issue??!

Jesus somersaulting Christ, just because any 'debate' on this issue these last few days has been outsourced to the people who make the Haribo ads on TV, where the adults talk like kids, doesn't mean that there are intensely 'political' questions that aren't being asked and certainly not of the the gimlet-eyed eco-friendly Scanda-pixie.

Who will fund the infrastructure costs for power supply in developing countries and how much will it cost them to provide stable power supplies by 2025??

How will petro-economies be prevented from descending into civil war and destabilising yet more of the planet?

Half of Russian government revenues come from oil and gas. What will be the effect on world peace of the collapse of the Russian economy and government? Which is more likely to cause global cataclysm in the next decade, a collapse of Russia, or current carbon emissions?

For starters....

Not too 'political' for you I hope?

"Won't somebody think of the children!!!".

Funnily enough, I read this morning a post by Mr elbee elsewhere. You may or may not agree.


There are only 390 ppm of CO2 in our atmosphere. This is less than minuscule. It is almost non-existent. What’s more 93% of this miniscule greenhouse gas is naturally-released from soil, water, volcanos, etc. The greenhouse effect of CO2 is also minuscule. Atom absorbic spectroscopy shows that CO2 can only absorb infra-red radiation in the 15-micron frequency range, which means it only has the most minuscule of miniscule greenhouse effect. Water vapour is by far the most prevalent greenhouse gas, absorbing the entire infra-red spectrum and is 30,000 ppm in our atmosphere. In addition, CO2’s greenhouse effect is logarithmic. Higher concentrations have a decreasing greenhouse effect. Once CO2 exceeds 540 ppm, any additional CO2 has almost no effect. Despite the virtually-nil role CO2 plays in climate change, yet alone the paltry 7% of CO2 which is man-made, the small amount of CO2 there is in the atmosphere rises and falls along with temperature not because it is a cause of the temperature, but because of out-gassing. It is an effect of rising and falling temperatures. Out-gassing is a chemical property of gasses whereby more gas is released the warmer it becomes. Accordingly, as temperatures rise, more natural CO2 is released from water and soil. The nutty hockey stick graph is as much of a fraud as Al Gore is. The graph was fabricated by Penn State scientist Dr Michael Mann who all but discounted the Medievel Warming Period when temperatures were warmer than today, (according to 1,051 peer-reviewed studies representing 601 research institutes in 44 countries) and the Little Ice Age. If you remove these two huge climatic changes and smooth out the data from 1000 to 1930, it makes the graph look sinister. It’s not. The hockey stick is a bad joke even among AGW proponents. Ice core analysis proves rising and falling CO2 is the result of rising and falling temperatures, not the other way around. They conclusive show that when a new warming period starts, CO2 levels are still falling, and vice-versa. CO2 is not a poisonous gas. It is an essential plant food. It would be better for the earth if CO2 rose substantially from current levels. Higher CO2 creates higher crop yields. It saves millions from starvation. If CO2 falls below 180 ppm all life on earth would cease. CO2 would have to increase to 30,000 ppm (or about 10,000%) to reach dangerous levels. Water vapour, the sun and its solar cycles, galactic cosmic rays, ocean currents, jet streams, El Nino, tectonics, and cloud activity all affect climate. CO2 does not. It does not matter.

So why the hoax? Governments want trillions in CO2 taxes. Scientists want millions in AGW research grants, security companies want trillions in carbon trading commissions, and the UN wants trillions for global wealth redistribution. Governments also want to control CO2 emissions to wield power. It just amazes me that intelligent people believe this AGW stuff. It actually defies logic. It’s about money, corruption, and power.

Interesting, I didn't realise the CO2 was logarithmic, I'll read up more on it later but certainly that seems to be stated very widely, but graphs I'm seeing don't stop at 540ppm.

Aka, Angus Robertson was on Politics Live. Andrew Neil would have prepared, had facts and statistics in front of him, eaten him alive. As is the norm, Woeful Coburn hadn't seem to have bothered at all with such professional effort and "preparation"...

It's so depressing Neil is effeectively retiring in stages. :(

Neil will be a massive loss.
Is there anyone else in his league?
At the risk of ridicule I will say Piers Morgan isn’t all bad.
Struggling to think of many.
John Piennar I like.
Others?
Kuennsberg too.

Could you supply a link for that bigmo ?   I stopped reading when I got to the bit about “the 15 micron frequency range “ I am no physicist but a micron is a size not a frequency ,it should talk about 15 micron particles/atoms in a frequency band ,ie the amount of atoms of that size in a band or space ,ie spacing ,how close together they are ,just confuses things imo

If you know the wavelength you know the frequency, it could have been worded better but certainly there seems to be a huge amount of talk about absoption at the 15 micron wavelength.

"it should talk about 15 micron particles/atoms in a frequency band ,ie the amount of atoms of that size in a band or space ,ie spacing ,how close together they are ,just confuses things imo "

No, this is complete nonsense, sorry, and makes far less sense than the post it refers to:)

The spacing of 15 micron atoms of concern is 0.5 microns ,that’s the “spacing frequency “i think but stand to be corrected .

is a wavelength not measured in manometers Jc ?

*Nanometers

You got a link as well Jc ? Sorry but It does not make sense to me

It’s the high light frequency hitting 15 Micron particles spaced at a 0.5 frequency imo ,stand to be corrected

Bigmo Post uses freq ambiguously

It was from another forum and he didn't leave a link I'm afraid. To be honest I don't really understand it all but thought the more learned on here might make sense of it.

Velocity = Frequency x Wavelength, this is very basic physics, so given speed of light (speed of electromagentic radiation) is pretty much constant in air and just slihtly slower than in a vaccum, you can say "15 microns" and it implies a frequency. You know V and know W so F is trivial to come up with. Given we're talking about infrared radiation being stopped from leaving the earth by CO2 we're talking about wavelength or freq of that nothing to do with CO2 atoms. It's not accurate to say 15 micron wavelength but it could just be very sloppy language and the underlying fact is correct. I.e. people talk about short wave radio and long wave radio, but then go and tune to a radio frequency that corresponds to that wavelength range.

Different molecules will absorb radiation at different frequuencies, it's how e.g. astonomers can look at light from a far off star or dust cloud and work out the chemical composition. Or even how a microwave oven works, it's roughly at the right frequency to excite and put the engery into a water molecule.

Logarithims in a simple way means it's not linear and follows a well known behaviour that's like a curve on a graph not straight lne. In this case without going into maths a good example might be say you've a bendy stick. When you first stand putting pressure on it, it might bend a lot, but the more it bends the more force you have to put into it to make it bend more. So in that case the force to bend isn't equal, after a point you have to put LOADS more force into it to move it just a LITTLE bit more. This may not be a straightforward logarithm as such but it gives you the idea. (I wonder if it is!).

What these guys are proposing is that the amount of warming quickly goes up the more CO2 is added, but as the figure keeps going up, it's a similar law of diminishing returns to the point when add more and more is barely changing the warming.

(I'm not saying it's correct I'm explaining what they are saying).

northanlite
SNP are the last centre left party standing. if only the english could vote.
well they can in edinburgh, aberdeen, perthshire & the highlands. thousands
of them up in them parts. all very welcome.

Constantly say this but the SNP TALK LEFT but WALK RIGHT.

TALK LEFT - Constantly berating the Tory policies for creating austerity.
WALK RIGHT - Run with the same Tory policies despite having the devolved powers to change them.
One example - The restriction of child benefits to the first two children and the so-called rape clause. The SNP said the Tories should hang their heads in shame for this and brought it up constantly. Now they say they will run with it. Hypocrites.

FFS quite a few typos above and "It's not accurate to say 15 micron wavelength" IS accurate I meant frequency, shows you how it's easy to write garbage :)
"Garbage in garbage out" as they say, I must be reading too many chit chat posts

The SNP are outstnading hypocrites, the amount of things they cry out about Brexit when the exact same could be charged against them for Scexit is quite incredible. They harp on about how Cameron giving the people of the UK a EU referendum was a stupid bad right wing thing to do that shouldn't have been given - THEN - demand a SECOND referendum for Scotland, ignoring the result of the first, when opinion polls say Scotland doesn't want one, and say to not have one is anti-democratic!

The SNP are outstnading hypocrites, the amount of things they cry out about Brexit when the exact same could be charged against them for Scexit is quite incredible. They harp on about how Cameron giving the people of the UK a EU referendum was a stupid bad right wing thing to do that shouldn't have been given - THEN - demand a SECOND referendum for Scotland, ignoring the result of the first, when opinion polls say Scotland doesn't want one, and say to not have one is anti-democratic!

Want to swap London for Brussels. Remind me how this 'Independence' thing works?

Believe the EU will unconditionally accept the validity of Scotland as an independent nation.

Probably their best bit of pretzel logic is their notion of forming a 'progressive' (yuk!) alliance with the Greens, whilst at the same time banging the drum for an econmomy built almost exclusively on fossil fuels!

Exactly Hanx, their arguments are absolutely riddled with contradiction and things that don't make sense. Oh and another thing is their belief that everything they want to happen, re an Independent Scotland, will be just waved through by the EU and the UK. If there's anything the Brexit process shows it's that leaving unions is tricky and the other side damned well has opinions on it, and the UK has a far stronger hand leaving the EU than a small (but huge deficit) Scotland trying to tell the EU or UK how things must happen.

Got round to watching Politics Live JC. Coburn absolutely useless and as you say ill-informed.
Robertson quoting incorrect figures but she didn't have a clue.

The SNP are very complacent about their relationship with the rest of the UK should they get independence.
Their argument is that it is in both their interests to continue trading with each other which is fair comment.
However they completely ignore the fact that if they join the EU, and that's not certain given their debt to GDP ratio, that the EU will impose restrictions on trading.

Once the N Sea oil has gone their only exportable goods will be sugary confectioneries.

Lee's, Lee's, more if you please.
All of us beg on our bended knees.
For piccaninnies and grandpapas,
It's Lee's for luscious macaroon bars.

I think they'll need to get a better lyricist.

I'm partial to a macaroon, I shall perhaps attempt composing an ode to said confectionery in the morning.

I remember that being sung. Wasn't seen as offensive then.
How times change but fortunately a Lees Macaroon bar still every bit as good.
Going to get a bar tomorrow along with a Lees Raspberry Coconut-Ice.

It's late, I shall perhaps look into the context of that verse in the morning before composing my own superior version.

TO THE BLOKE and the 1000,s like him who asked why are we bothering with anything else as we,ve only got 10 years to save the world,as petrol, diesel cars and air travel arnt going to end FACT anytime soon we arnt going to save the world
so why doesn't someone ask these loons why their saving into pensions,paying mortgages,pay school fees for their kids etc ,if they think the worlds coming to an end in 10 years time,or maybe they no their spouting absolute shoite

I see they've got a scandanavian 'Malala' to hurry the cause along by shaming adults, tawdry propaganda imo.