Chit Chat
There you having what you think is a private chat with the wife or whoever but your Smarts and lovely Alexa is listening to every word,and you might just say something the Government or whatever is in charge thinks doesn't fall into line,the next time you go into the supermarket and buy all that lovely grub,the cashier says "sorry mate you have no credit,put it back"what ya gonna do? Don't let them get away with this Big Brother **** because its here sooner than you think.
Since returning to the UK in January following eleven years away, I go about my daily life with no bank notes or coins in my possession.
The only fly in that particular ointment has been the need to obtain some coins to put under my daughters pillow from the tooth fairy.
Whilst certain rural communities may not have adequate broadband to support the full range of electronic payment methods that have replaced cash, this is a solvable problem.
Other than drug dealers, I'm struggling to think of any groups who will argue for the continuation of payment in cash.
Apr 20, 2019 -- 10:09AM, Aspro wrote:
I repeat... what can any of us do to stop it? The simple answer is nothing! I know your answer will be to stop using cards but the amount of people that follow that lead will not even put a blip on the screens. It is inevitable.
Get Extinction Rebellion to lobby for the abolition of digital payment technology as part of their climate change argument 
The good ones. High resolution ones with 256 bits.
They certainly are....by Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves!
One was taken, in the dead of night, from Tesco Express at Brayton.....
This was many months ago and is just now being replaced!
I pay with cash, and if its for something like an energy drink its paid with loose change, and I would advise anyone to go back to actual hard cash as its the safest monetry system there is
Apr 20, 2019 -- 9:56AM, Angoose wrote:
Notes and coins are increasingly irrelevant. Since returning to the UK in January following eleven years away, I go about my daily life with no bank notes or coins in my possession.The only fly in that particular ointment has been the need to obtain some coins to put under my daughters pillow from the tooth fairy.Whilst certain rural communities may not have adequate broadband to support the full range of electronic payment methods that have replaced cash, this is a solvable problem.Other than drug dealers, I'm struggling to think of any groups who will argue for the continuation of payment in cash.
Come back when you've been "hacked" or your payments are being rejected because of a problem on the bank side
And we are heading for China based system of social scoring, and you can bet your life its not far off, in China they literally need a good social score to be able to use the toilet paper dispenser 
If you think this is for our benefits you are sadly mistaken, remember when the internet was largelly un-regulated? not like today where every single post we make is tagged and logged, and you can have a police "officer" knocking at the door at 4 in the morning
Just look at the abuse Brian Harvey receives on Youtube
Apr 20, 2019 -- 12:08PM, Early Morning Riser wrote:
Cash is king. A few months ago went to cash point to get some money out and my card got swallowed by the machine took 5 days to get sent new card then new pin, good job i had some cash on me or i would have been in shyte street for them 5 days.
That's my argument
Its ok when the machines are playing ball, but what happens if the card is "eaten" and you have no cash to hand?
What's the pro digital argument to that? what happens if the system goes down?
Apr 20, 2019 -- 9:59AM, Aspro wrote:
I think we can all accept that a cashless society is on the horizon. Terry says "Don't let them get away with this" but what can any of us do to stop it? It is too late for that.
It is to late
I'd say 90% of the people that live in my area use cards, and the young generation laugh at anyone who is seen using loose change ffs
Its over in the sense of getting it stopped
The general public has always had to do with whatever the powerful of the time decide for them. Some go with it, some complain. Cash can remain the king but its going away pretty soon. Whether thats a conspiracy or not does not matter.
Let's turn back the sun dial and eliminate all technological advances.
By the way, cash remains king, nothing as changed in that regard.
It just doesn't need to be physical notes and coins.
We won't be able to stuff it in the mattress
Although if the government keep changing the notes as they do...even stuffing it there won't help us
We won't be able to stuff it in the mattress
Although if the government keep changing the notes as they do...even stuffing it there won't help us
Correct, the new polymer £20 note will be issued in 2020.
At least it is not Big Sister...well for now
Is going to be disappointed...his cash will be worthless
Apr 20, 2019 -- 1:35PM, Angoose wrote:
We have moved on from sexist term of Big Brother to the gender neutral Big Sibling
Big People-kind 
Apr 20, 2019 -- 2:10PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:
Any criminal who has done a big robbery and buried the cash..and is sitting in prison hoping to enjoy it when he is releasedIs going to be disappointed...his cash will be worthless
This is who they are targeting to sell the idea of cashless though
People need to realise who the real criminals are, its not some drug dealer who lets be honest bothers nearly no one in the grand scheme of things , he's only interested in his opposition
Its the state, who are now allowing courts to take peoples benefits for decade old fines
People are having their UC reduced (some without prior knowledge, they just wake up to less money ) for fines they didn't even know they had, they are paying it back through what little pittance they get and they can't even appeal it 
And of course its all digits on a screen isn't it, until you take the money from a cash machine that is, so they can do as they please.
"Certainly sir! That'll be 2 goats and a chicken please!"
Its not going to change and so dealing with it in your own way is the only good advice
When people are proudly paying for things with their cards, and scoffing at anyone using hard currency then they deserve everything they get coming their way
Remember, we could have rejected it but didn't
Swoon!I was totally against the ID card system as it was very far reaching in what it could control and what it could track and was intended to track. A cashless society means all transactions (and thus movements) can be tracked, the state could, at will, switch off a persons ability to function in society, if no anonymous abilities to pay were allowed. Don't give the b&stards the power, they may be relatively benevolent now, who knows in 20 years what sort of communist sh1thole we'd be if Momentum got their way.
Apr 20, 2019 -- 9:46PM, Just Checking wrote:
.. benevolent not perhaps best word to describe the cavalcade of arrogant dim witted fools that are our politicans these days.
I would argue that's what they want us to think, they want us to think they are dim witted and stupid, being underestimated can be a blessing
And power is always going to be abused, its a human trait and everything that can be abused/cheated there's a human doing the abusing/cheating, from computer video games right up to the top of government/monarchy
Since all the money will have a digital footprint, corruption and money laundering should theoretically go down. How do drug gangs get paid? Im pretty sure they'll find a way but if they dont, gang violence and crime should go down. here again the fear will be that the authorities themselves will become corrupt, and will be able to stop everyone else from corruption, giving themselves unlimited powers. I wouldn't argue against that. They probably won't be asking for our opinion.
You guys also need to differentiate between electronic money and digital money. What you all are complaining about is electronic money, not digital money. Electronic money is the same monetary system that already exists, you just see your money as a number instead of physically holding it in your hand or at your house. Digital money is more in the direction of cryptocurrency and it hasn't yet become mainstream for us to talk about its pros and cons. From what little I know, crypto should theoretically free you of all your worries related to becoming slaves to the govt, but by the time crypto becomes mainstream, someone will have found a way to enslave people to its system. There will always be someone at the top.
I grew up dialing on the phone where you'd rotate the digits on a circular dial, not sure what its called. If my parents didn't come to get me after school, I was to take a taxi to come home, take money from someone at home and pay the taxi. If no one was at home, I was to go to a trusted neighbor. I had at least two phone numbers written in my diary with me at all times. I was 'taught' how to read an analog clock. I was told shampoo would grey my hair. Cola would kill me. Using a calculator would diminish my mental calculating powers. Using a corrector pen will make me do more spelling mistakes etc etc.
Forward 12-15 years and my nephew has had a smartphone hidden in his backpack, ONLY so his parents know his location at all times. He now owns a smartphone where he can whatsapp his parents anytime, though he mainly uses it to communicate with a contact called 'Mein Leben'!. With Uber he has his account connected to his fathers bank account, so all he has to do is order a taxi and share the location tracker with his father. he can't read an analog clock. Drinking a 500ml Monster energy drink is 'cool'. Mental calculation skills zero. Auto correct means RIP spelling.
I used the example of my nephew but growing up, I had people the same age as me living the same kind of life as my nephew. Within our generation the changes we had to adapt to were massive. We simply aren't worried about what will happen if we go cashless. Its just another thing that we will simply get used to. We are NOT the kind to resist new technology because we grew up jumping from one tech to the next. it is this generation that will live in the cashless society and we will manage, one way or another but resist we will not. You guys should be comfortably dead by then(assuming most of you are older age, no intention to offend anyone).
LOL I know a woman with a young son and she's like that :) "Mein Leben". Is your nephew German?!
On a sad but kind of good note .. : "owns a smartphone where he can whatsapp his parents" - recently read a story where a guy speaking to his girlfriend as she walked home with video, she was attacked and r***d and boygriend saw the start of it on video. Horrifying, but BF had sense to snap picture of the attacker (!) and he was caught. So good outcome there. I'm not sure how to take a screenshot on my phone .. going to find out just in case.
when jokingly said we have to go back to bartering as a cash in hand payment
But the amount of cash i now take on a daily basis is minimal to what
it was 5 years ago it is all card or the new god Apple pay FFS
But don't worry too much by the time all the youn-uns do everything
online doing away with manual labour 95% of us will not be needed so extinction rebellion
will have been successful as we won't be around.
Apr 21, 2019 -- 12:41AM, detraveller wrote:
In short you guys are worried about changes to a lifestyle that doesn't exist anymore among the people that will eventually live in a cashless world.
It doesn't exist anymore and it will get much much worse (for us who don't want it)
You made valid points above, kids today don't know anything different they've been conditioned on mobile phones doing everything for them, they will just as you say accept it all
I blame the previous generation for being totally lazy and allowing it to be implemented, it was sold as a convenience to that generation and they were to lazy and didn't see what it was until it was to late
Its gone from a convenience to a necessity, people can't get by without the said technology now
People can't get a job without having a computer/internet/mobile? You can no longer claim benefits without having access to a computer with internet connection
Its over, we know that but it was a nice thought to think we could change it
Apr 21, 2019 -- 8:11AM, wit-ham wrote:
I talked about this years ago on here and was told don't be stupid when jokingly said we have to go back to bartering as a cash in hand payment But the amount of cash i now take on a daily basis is minimal to what it was 5 years ago it is all card or the new god Apple pay FFS But don't worry too much by the time all the youn-uns do everythingonline doing away with manual labour 95% of us will not be needed so extinction rebellionwill have been successful as we won't be around.
They are waiting for the previous generation to die off
The younger rebels to it are a minority and will have to conform to some capacity to survive either that or go and live in a cave literally
Now i can whine all about banks taking my money, which they clearly are doing here. I can argue that I dont need the convenience. What happens when I lose my phone or my tan machine? But instead of whining about it, I will just switch, because ive been doing that since I was born. that was my point. No one is waiting for a weaker generation to come. it is how life is today.
Talk sense SS. It's not like anyone could have stopped it from happening
If it was up to me we would go back to hard cash and do away with the internet entirely, no betfair, no digits on a screen etc
But its not up to me though, I just adapt as best I can
But this system is a sickness
We are never satisfied with what we have, always seeking ways in which to improve our lives.
You don't see rabbits nipping round to B&Q on the Easter bank holiday to get some shelving for the kitchen.
You don't see a troop of baboons busily installing flushing toilets to avoid having to live amongst their own waste.
How much progress is enough progress?
It's never enough until your heart stops beating
The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain
Don't give up the game until your heart stops beating …...
All the cash machines are being taken away
Completely irrelevant but was in Enfield yesterday, the local Barclays cash machine outside was all gold, this apparently was where the first ever transaction in the world from a cash machine took place, this was done by none other than Reg Varney, the gold one was put in to celebrate its 50th anniversay in 2017.
Things have moved on a long way since then !
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/weve-come-a-long-way-since-1967-reg-2l5j3gsph
to obtain peoples card details and PIN NUMBER.
So is it making our money safer being cashless?
How would the technology available today have affected your ability to con people in your early years?
What I did was almost 50 years ago and it's about 4,000 times easier today to con people than when I did it. To forge a cheque 50 years ago, you needed a Heidelberg printed press, you had to be a skilled printer, know how to do colour separations, negatives, type-setting... those presses were 90 feet long and 18 feet high. There was a lot of work involved in creating a cheque.
Today, you open a laptop. If you are going to forge a British Airways cheque, you go to their website, capture the corporate logo and put it in the top right corner. You then put a jet taking off in the background and make a really fancy four-colour cheque in 15 minutes on your computer. You then go down to an office supply store, buy security cheque paper and put it in your colour printer.
Fifty years ago, information was hard to come by. When you created a cheque you had no way of knowing where in reality British Airways' bank was, who was authorised to sign their cheques and you didn't know their account number. Today you can call any corporation in the world and tell them you are getting ready to wire them money and they will tell you the bank, the wiring number, the account number. You can then ask for a copy of the annual report and on page three are the signatures of the chairman of the board, the CEO and the treasurer. It's all on white glossy paper with black ink – scanner ready art. You then just print it onto the cheque.
Technology breeds crime and we are constantly trying to develop technology to stay one step ahead of the person trying to use it negatively.
Apr 21, 2019 -- 1:11PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:
Criminals have some very sophisticated equipment they can install on these cash machinesto obtain peoples card details and PIN NUMBER.So is it making our money safer being cashless?
ATM machines won't exist in a cashless society. Any complaints you have about them don't matter.
It is also funny that people are talking about their money getting stolen. You can easily trace your stolen electronic money. But you cannot trace stolen cash.
My post actually was referring to the future, though I of course failed to properly mention that. When we do go cashless, the emoney will probably be traceable. A simple and unique tag attached to every unit of money should be an easy thing to do, considering there is only going to be finite money.
Stolen cash is simply not traceable. Even if you knew the serial numbers or put in bait money, you will have to wait for he thief to first use that money, and second for that money to be brought to a bank. With emoney, the stolen money will exist in the system, just at a different address. Again, I dont know how easy that is to achieve, but even if its partly achievable, it still makes it way more traceable than cash.
Also people are complaining about the government being able to control what exactly people do with their money, where it goes and where it comes from. Surely they are already assuming the money will be traceable?
Other than the government control aspect which I completely agree with, I haven't seen one good reason for not going cashless.
Your Oyster card issue is interesting and I remember being surprised at a similar oyster when I visited. I assume you have to go to the nearest tube station to buy another card? If yes, how is that any different from you losing your paper money and having to walk to the next atm to get some cash?
We outside of the everything is about us city get the useless free bus pass
So if you lose it i would imagine you have to supply two forms of identity or similar
to get a replacement,which in itself is getting difficult as we move to a paperless society.
No cash,No paper,I'm off to make a time machine
Most tube stations are like what will be happening to a railway station near you
no phone no ticket.
Apr 21, 2019 -- 11:28PM, detraveller wrote:
To be honest I dont really know. Maybe the people who get scammed just aren't important enough? Electronic money today can definitely be traced. I would be surprised if it isnt possible today. But to be honest, I dont know why scammers get away with it. The telephone scammers also never seem to get caught. My guess is the public simply isnt important enough for these resources to be used to 'help' them.My post actually was referring to the future, though I of course failed to properly mention that. When we do go cashless, the emoney will probably be traceable. A simple and unique tag attached to every unit of money should be an easy thing to do, considering there is only going to be finite money. Stolen cash is simply not traceable. Even if you knew the serial numbers or put in bait money, you will have to wait for he thief to first use that money, and second for that money to be brought to a bank. With emoney, the stolen money will exist in the system, just at a different address. Again, I dont know how easy that is to achieve, but even if its partly achievable, it still makes it way more traceable than cash.Also people are complaining about the government being able to control what exactly people do with their money, where it goes and where it comes from. Surely they are already assuming the money will be traceable?Other than the government control aspect which I completely agree with, I haven't seen one good reason for not going cashless.Your Oyster card issue is interesting and I remember being surprised at a similar oyster when I visited. I assume you have to go to the nearest tube station to buy another card? If yes, how is that any different from you losing your paper money and having to walk to the next atm to get some cash?
But you've just basically given us one reason why they wont bother trying to trace it, we ain't important enough
The same s*** is going to happen once we go cashless, only we are going to be under the thumb of big people-kind (brother)
Big People-Kind is going to screw us one way or another
They are confused. I don't see any other explanation of them working so hard to feck us.
