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CASHLESS SOCIETY-THE WAR ON CASH
CASHLESS SOCIETY-THE WAR ON CASH
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I see Angoose
 At least it is not Big Sister...well for now |
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Any criminal who has done a big robbery and buried the cash..and is sitting in prison hoping to enjoy it when he is released
Is going to be disappointed...his cash will be worthless |
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Tommy can't use paypal either.
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Courts now have the power to take peoples benefits away without their knowledge
And of course its all digits on a screen isn't it, until you take the money from a cash machine that is, so they can do as they please. |
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Maybe go back to good old fashioned bartering. That'll teach 'em.
"Certainly sir! That'll be 2 goats and a chicken please!" |
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Another factor to take into account is paying a labourer. A self-employed person would then have to consider National Insurance, holiday pay etc. Prices will have to go up. Fook me Terry, giving this consideration this could be bloody expensive for everyone! You may have a point!
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Self employed will have to pack it up and get a job in a factory?
Its not going to change and so dealing with it in your own way is the only good advice |
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The sex workers will be paid in shoes and handbags.
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The handymen will be paid in handjobs.
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Its all on us sadly
When people are proudly paying for things with their cards, and scoffing at anyone using hard currency then they deserve everything they get coming their way  Remember, we could have rejected it but didn't |
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Can't come soon enough. Handling money spreads germs.
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Ive always got a couple of hundred in my wallet, my kids might want some or the gardener comes unannounced or I might need to put a bet on in a shop. I dont do contactless, cash will be king whilst i'm alive.
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Stop the PRESS I agree with Terry McCann!
 Swoon!I was totally against the ID card system as it was very far reaching in what it could control and what it could track and was intended to track. A cashless society means all transactions (and thus movements) can be tracked, the state could, at will, switch off a persons ability to function in society, if no anonymous abilities to pay were allowed. Don't give the b&stards the power, they may be relatively benevolent now, who knows in 20 years what sort of communist sh1thole we'd be if Momentum got their way. |
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.. benevolent not perhaps best word to describe the cavalcade of arrogant dim witted fools that are our politicans these days.
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I rarely use cash albeit I've always got some in my wallet. Currently £285.
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I think the resistance to going cashless comes from lack of trust in the authorities. Things like needing to pay for an energy drink, or the gardener aren't relevant as if and when you go cashless, you'll be able to pay for these by a simple scan of a chip on your palm or a card, if we really keep it simple. ATM machines eating up your card is also irrelevant. There won't be any ATM machines since we'd be cashless. Technical failures will be a hurdle, yes. But when millions of people have gone cashless there will be alternatives in place. Especially related to hacking, data theft etc. You may be vulnerable to losing 'everything' after a hack or a virus but surely any electronic money stolen from your account will have its own ID and hence can be locked or blacklisted from further use. On the press of a button you will get your money back, money with the same history as your stolen money, but a new ID. Not at all a difficult thing to implement.
Since all the money will have a digital footprint, corruption and money laundering should theoretically go down. How do drug gangs get paid? Im pretty sure they'll find a way but if they dont, gang violence and crime should go down. here again the fear will be that the authorities themselves will become corrupt, and will be able to stop everyone else from corruption, giving themselves unlimited powers. I wouldn't argue against that. They probably won't be asking for our opinion. You guys also need to differentiate between electronic money and digital money. What you all are complaining about is electronic money, not digital money. Electronic money is the same monetary system that already exists, you just see your money as a number instead of physically holding it in your hand or at your house. Digital money is more in the direction of cryptocurrency and it hasn't yet become mainstream for us to talk about its pros and cons. From what little I know, crypto should theoretically free you of all your worries related to becoming slaves to the govt, but by the time crypto becomes mainstream, someone will have found a way to enslave people to its system. There will always be someone at the top. |
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And lastly you need to consider the people that will eventually live in a cashless society. I am a millennial by defintion, and I consider myself old school in how I go about my life. But realistically speaking, you have no chance convincing us not to go cashless. We have experienced so many technological changes in our short lives that cash to cashless will be just another.
I grew up dialing on the phone where you'd rotate the digits on a circular dial, not sure what its called. If my parents didn't come to get me after school, I was to take a taxi to come home, take money from someone at home and pay the taxi. If no one was at home, I was to go to a trusted neighbor. I had at least two phone numbers written in my diary with me at all times. I was 'taught' how to read an analog clock. I was told shampoo would grey my hair. Cola would kill me. Using a calculator would diminish my mental calculating powers. Using a corrector pen will make me do more spelling mistakes etc etc. Forward 12-15 years and my nephew has had a smartphone hidden in his backpack, ONLY so his parents know his location at all times. He now owns a smartphone where he can whatsapp his parents anytime, though he mainly uses it to communicate with a contact called 'Mein Leben'!. With Uber he has his account connected to his fathers bank account, so all he has to do is order a taxi and share the location tracker with his father. he can't read an analog clock. Drinking a 500ml Monster energy drink is 'cool'. Mental calculation skills zero. Auto correct means RIP spelling. I used the example of my nephew but growing up, I had people the same age as me living the same kind of life as my nephew. Within our generation the changes we had to adapt to were massive. We simply aren't worried about what will happen if we go cashless. Its just another thing that we will simply get used to. We are NOT the kind to resist new technology because we grew up jumping from one tech to the next. it is this generation that will live in the cashless society and we will manage, one way or another but resist we will not. You guys should be comfortably dead by then(assuming most of you are older age, no intention to offend anyone). |
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In short you guys are worried about changes to a lifestyle that doesn't exist anymore among the people that will eventually live in a cashless world.
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"Forward 12-15 years and my nephew has had a smartphone hidden in his backpack, ONLY so his parents know his location at all times."
LOL I know a woman with a young son and she's like that :) "Mein Leben". Is your nephew German?! On a sad but kind of good note .. : "owns a smartphone where he can whatsapp his parents" - recently read a story where a guy speaking to his girlfriend as she walked home with video, she was attacked and r***d and boygriend saw the start of it on video. Horrifying, but BF had sense to snap picture of the attacker (!) and he was caught. So good outcome there. I'm not sure how to take a screenshot on my phone .. going to find out just in case. |
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I talked about this years ago on here and was told don't be stupid
when jokingly said we have to go back to bartering as a cash in hand payment But the amount of cash i now take on a daily basis is minimal to what it was 5 years ago it is all card or the new god Apple pay FFS But don't worry too much by the time all the youn-uns do everything online doing away with manual labour 95% of us will not be needed so extinction rebellion will have been successful as we won't be around. |
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Its to late in that its now a need to have rather than a luxury
People can't get a job without having a computer/internet/mobile? You can no longer claim benefits without having access to a computer with internet connection Its over, we know that but it was a nice thought to think we could change it |
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You all lived in probably the best time Europe has seen in its history. I can understand when you people think there's something the public can do. You've probably lived your whole lives under that illusion and I see that with Brexit everyday. The assumption that the govt works for you. People today aren't that stupid. As i said, I won't be asked my opinion on going cashless. We will just be driven into a time where theres simply no other alternative.
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As an example, I have an account with Deutsche bank and they give you a TAN codes list to make transfers. I still use it, instead of using the phone for tan generation or a tan device. I have a picture of the codes with me at all times in my phone, so i can make transfers when traveling as well. I never switched to phone tan or the tan generator. But in Sep, the paper TAN wont be valid anymore. I will have to switch to either of the two services. Both of them are NOT free.
Now i can whine all about banks taking my money, which they clearly are doing here. I can argue that I dont need the convenience. What happens when I lose my phone or my tan machine? But instead of whining about it, I will just switch, because ive been doing that since I was born. that was my point. No one is waiting for a weaker generation to come. it is how life is today. |
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I blame the previous generation for being totally lazy and allowing it to be implemented
Talk sense SS. It's not like anyone could have stopped it from happening |
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Very interesting to read the whining about being forced to go cashless, when everyone on here has clearly voluntarily chosen to make themselves potless
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And did you run round to Betfair Towers with your brown envelope stuffed full of self printed fifty pound notes to fund your account ?
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Angoose
If it was up to me we would go back to hard cash and do away with the internet entirely, no betfair, no digits on a screen etc But its not up to me though, I just adapt as best I can But this system is a sickness |
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When you step back and think about it, all of this is as a result of our species being the only species on the planet who suffer from never enough syndrome.
We are never satisfied with what we have, always seeking ways in which to improve our lives. You don't see rabbits nipping round to B&Q on the Easter bank holiday to get some shelving for the kitchen. You don't see a troop of baboons busily installing flushing toilets to avoid having to live amongst their own waste. How much progress is enough progress? It's never enough until your heart stops beating The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain Don't give up the game until your heart stops beating …... |
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Lady Faye Verrit 20 Apr 19 10:27
All the cash machines are being taken away Completely irrelevant but was in Enfield yesterday, the local Barclays cash machine outside was all gold, this apparently was where the first ever transaction in the world from a cash machine took place, this was done by none other than Reg Varney, the gold one was put in to celebrate its 50th anniversay in 2017. Things have moved on a long way since then ! . https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/weve-come-a-long-way-since-1967-reg-2l5j3gsph |
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The Reg Varney cash machine trivia featured in an episode of Unforgotten
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Criminals have some very sophisticated equipment they can install on these cash machines
to obtain peoples card details and PIN NUMBER. So is it making our money safer being cashless? |
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WIRED talks to Frank Abagnale – a former conman and the subject of 2002 movie Catch Me If You Can – about fraud, cybercrime and security
How would the technology available today have affected your ability to con people in your early years? What I did was almost 50 years ago and it's about 4,000 times easier today to con people than when I did it. To forge a cheque 50 years ago, you needed a Heidelberg printed press, you had to be a skilled printer, know how to do colour separations, negatives, type-setting... those presses were 90 feet long and 18 feet high. There was a lot of work involved in creating a cheque. Today, you open a laptop. If you are going to forge a British Airways cheque, you go to their website, capture the corporate logo and put it in the top right corner. You then put a jet taking off in the background and make a really fancy four-colour cheque in 15 minutes on your computer. You then go down to an office supply store, buy security cheque paper and put it in your colour printer. Fifty years ago, information was hard to come by. When you created a cheque you had no way of knowing where in reality British Airways' bank was, who was authorised to sign their cheques and you didn't know their account number. Today you can call any corporation in the world and tell them you are getting ready to wire them money and they will tell you the bank, the wiring number, the account number. You can then ask for a copy of the annual report and on page three are the signatures of the chairman of the board, the CEO and the treasurer. It's all on white glossy paper with black ink – scanner ready art. You then just print it onto the cheque. Technology breeds crime and we are constantly trying to develop technology to stay one step ahead of the person trying to use it negatively. |
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So in short
Its better to stay with hard cash |
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Agree with the things Abagnale said but it is also much easier to get caught today then it was back when he was in business.
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, he's only interested in his opposition 
) for fines they didn't even know they had, they are paying it back through what little pittance they get and they can't even appeal it 