You seem upset at me. "See what he does here". Didn't realise I was that important to forumite's lives. Honoured.

aah, so that's it. You've seen the word Islamic and got a semi on.

To be fair the verse is pretty clear: - "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."




So, because one completely unaccountable despot decides to do this you think it somehow says something about all of the Islam faith?

That verse is clearly plagiarised from the 18th chapter of Leviticus.

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

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Not sure what you're asking me to do? DEFEND the policies of Pakistan? Is that where you see this heading? There are some truly f*cking horrible, barbaric regimes out there. Some incredible human rights abuses going on. Unimaginable conditions that millions of people have to suffer.

Not sure that's even worth debating though. Is there anyone saying this is a good thing?






Saw an amusing thing on Frankie Boyle last night where one of the guests said she's invited on panel shows as "the anti-racist" but is always put up against someone who is essentially "pro-racism" in some sort of way. Weird how debate has got and she wondered if an anti-rape campaigner would be forced to debate against someone pro-rape at some point.

Just odd how everything has to be so adversarial.


So no. Brutalist, totalitarian regimes or those with death penalties, and medieval torture as means of punishment are definitely not something I'd advocate. M'kay?

PP, some of the states are not totalitarian that have these laws. You do not see what they have in common. You do not want to see it.

So what if they are muslim countries? What about all the countries with lots of muslims or who have muslims in high office in who don't have these laws? Are you ignoring those from your sample? Do you not want to see those?

Again, are you asking me to defend these regimes which treat their people appalingly?

This is what those on the new left fail to grasp Reynard. Muslims are the primary victims of this stuff and nonsense and by refusing to criticise Islam they effectively collude in their worldwide subjugation.

You are talking about despots and dictators rather than the ideology behind the laws.

May I ask what the problem is, if countries in the middle east or South Asa fully implemented Sharia law? I mean how does it affect your lives?

A tendency toward the unitary ethics of the west as opposed to the dualism of Islam would surely benefit all humankind?

any chance of us implementing this for politicians who lie through their gussets?

Exactly Lux. That IS the problem. The problem is at home, not in Brunei. When stoning becomes legal in Europe, it will not be Islam but one of your own lawmakers fkin you over.

Well, two aspects and personally i'd give them equal billing. I think the only way to effectively tackle the problem is holistically. By highlighting cases such as this (intersectional top trumps) that genuinely provoke cognitive dissonance on the left.

Hammer away for long enough and amidst much brain smoke I would hope,eventually, that something has to give.

If they do not read the Books they are sent to Listen to people who know the Books inside out .

I think some people just see the word Islamic and think it's a simple badge that applies to everyone who identifies as muslim.

If you asked 100 people who identified as Christian if they believed in god and agreed with the teachings of the bible in general you'd get a big number saying yes. If you then picked out a few passages such as our old friend Levi above then that number would probably shrink to next to none.

The ideology behind these islamic laws is a warped interpretation of the koran where certain passages have been cherry picked out, that's all. You could take other passages from the book and have a complete different set of laws based on them. Same as you could if you based your laws on the bible.

But to then use this as a crutch to say this is muslim teaching, therefore all muslims think like this is where the argument falls off a cliff. Some people do, I'm sure. But then I'm sure you could find a good few christians who'd like to outlaw homosexuality and wouldn't mind the harshest penalties to deter it. Doesn't make all catholics bad.


Reminds me of the daft onion yesterday (forget who) who used your kind and generalise in the same sentence. It's just the most simplistic of thinking. Try to bunch millions upon millions of people into one easily identifiable group that share the same characteristics and beliefs. Because it's easier to hate all muslims that way and justify why they shouldn't be allowed here. There's so much of this kind of thinking. You've got the balloon on the Man U thread up in arms about the UAE being responsible for atrocities in Yemen, purely because of the Man City connection. You have brexiters suddenly taking an interest in EU laws and opining that they're bad purely because they need a reason to criticise the EU. Some people only get interested in issues if they can use them as a stick to beat their favourite bete noire.

Bible and other Manuscripts Also full of Shyte IMVHO.

I would guess all of them. I think only Saudia has the full Sharia implementation. The rest derive their laws from Islamic principles. What that means is that they allow modern law to take over as long as it doesnt contradict basic islamic teachings. So same sex marriage wont ever be allowed in a muslim country. The punishment for it is up to debate but the act itself will remain haram. Or else it ain't a muslim country. At least thats my understanding.

I think multiple mariages is a similar case where the second marriage cannot be deemed illegal because forbiding two wives means you are basically stopping people from practicing something that Islam clearly allows.

Now i don't disagree with you if you tell me that is stone age stuff. But you need to understand the infrastructure and lifestyle of countries that follow these. Good luck changing that. You are only wasting your time.