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20 Mar 19
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Clearly this forum is populated by successful people from all walks of life, so...
Bearing in mind disruptive technologies that are likely to make loads of jobs redundant, what career advice would you give to a 13 year old boy.
The person is only averagely academic, is unlikely to be able to do heavy manual work or work requiring fine motor skills, isn't self-motivated, but is of a friendly, sociable and helpful nature.
Bearing in mind disruptive technologies that are likely to make loads of jobs redundant, what career advice would you give to a 13 year old boy.
The person is only averagely academic, is unlikely to be able to do heavy manual work or work requiring fine motor skills, isn't self-motivated, but is of a friendly, sociable and helpful nature.
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Retail could be an option but is notorious for poor pay at the lower levels.
What about sales?
What about sales?
Emigrate - research countries that have a balanced economy rather than just a service sector.
Gardening might be too heavy.
Outlook for retail isn't great - but it might be an option. I think sales might require too much self-motivation.
Thanks for the feedback, please keep the ideas coming.
Outlook for retail isn't great - but it might be an option. I think sales might require too much self-motivation.
Thanks for the feedback, please keep the ideas coming.
Is he interested in computers? Maybe something in IT.
Regarding his self-motivation and academic ability, he's just 13 so could change.
is of a friendly, sociable and helpful nature
museum/gallery
museum/gallery
"Retail", given the move to self service checkouts and even "pay as you shop" etc?
"Big data analysis" for someone "only averagely academic"!!!!
"Big data analysis" for someone "only averagely academic"!!!!
Mar 20, 2019 -- 2:35PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:
bus driver
ambulance man
ticket inspector, I don't understand
Thirteen is somewhat young to make any kind of commitment, I would say!
Best to give it a couple or three years to see how he develops.
One piece of advice I would give, is not to be lead by teachers!
I was seriously good at woodwork, and the teacher suggested I should be a "Shopfitting Joiner"!!!! Oh yeah!
My son was good at mathematics and, on advice from his teacher, went on to do a uni course in that subject.
He came out with a 2:1, but wore out the suit I bought him, with twenty six unsuccessful interviews, in the financial sector!
Too many "Hooray Henries" with whom to relate with I'm afraid to say.
The best he achieved was a position with HBOS which he hated, and only strung along with it to get his shares and bonus where, in the meantime
he had set up his own Graphic Design and website business.
Alongside that, he works successfully as a "Contractor" and is always in demand!
Even more interesting to you, perhaps, is the experience of a nephew, who had no aspirations towards anything.
He was bone idle, and dim, and spent his time messing about on his PC and I believe on Betfair!
The pinnacle of his achievement, was standing outside a furniture shop, dressed as a lion, and waving at passing cars!
Fast forward a few years, and he trained, and passed as an HGV driver,bought himself a nice new flat, got married in Gibraltar,
and is now a proud dad....
Now if that is not a result, I don't know what is!
Best to give it a couple or three years to see how he develops.
One piece of advice I would give, is not to be lead by teachers!
I was seriously good at woodwork, and the teacher suggested I should be a "Shopfitting Joiner"!!!! Oh yeah!
My son was good at mathematics and, on advice from his teacher, went on to do a uni course in that subject.
He came out with a 2:1, but wore out the suit I bought him, with twenty six unsuccessful interviews, in the financial sector!
Too many "Hooray Henries" with whom to relate with I'm afraid to say.
The best he achieved was a position with HBOS which he hated, and only strung along with it to get his shares and bonus where, in the meantime
he had set up his own Graphic Design and website business.
Alongside that, he works successfully as a "Contractor" and is always in demand!
Even more interesting to you, perhaps, is the experience of a nephew, who had no aspirations towards anything.
He was bone idle, and dim, and spent his time messing about on his PC and I believe on Betfair!
The pinnacle of his achievement, was standing outside a furniture shop, dressed as a lion, and waving at passing cars!
Fast forward a few years, and he trained, and passed as an HGV driver,bought himself a nice new flat, got married in Gibraltar,
and is now a proud dad....
Now if that is not a result, I don't know what is!
One suggestion I would give to identify a skill he is interested in. A skill that he can practice on his own. This could include using some software(Photoshop, video editing, graphic design, writing, virtual assistant etc.) Even gaming is a great career, though you have to be too good to be able to make a living out of it. The thing with these skills is that he wont have to go out looking for jobs. There are enough platforms online to offer your skills from home.
Once he has a skill like that, he wont ever need to work anywhere full time. The next step is to then move to a country where the living costs are low but living standard relatively same. He'll enjoy his life.
Once he has a skill like that, he wont ever need to work anywhere full time. The next step is to then move to a country where the living costs are low but living standard relatively same. He'll enjoy his life.
Some of the skills i mentioned, especially software skills, are easy to learn, if you have some interest. it is only a matter of watching a few youtube videos and then playing around with the software yourself. It will make a kid independant. He can then afford to waste his time and money here like me. The freedom that comes with such skills cannot be compared to any other full time job. Youre just working for the taxman.
An easy job is one of those people that put the jam inside doughnuts or if he wants something more exciting then a magician.
My first thought when I read the opening post was exactly what tictacman1 said, catering college. Be a qualified chef of a high standard and you can work anywhere in the world.
Thanks for the helpful suggestions.
I do feel that putting jam in doughnuts is a profession that is likely to be affected by disruptive technology - if it hasn't already been.
With regard to being a magician, I did buy him a magic set when he was younger, but unfortunately he did not get the hang of it
and believed that the tricks should just 'magic' themselves.
I am not sure whether he will have the aptitude for IT/software line.
I like mouse's line of thinking and possibly making tea at the BBC could be an option.
Unfortunately, Lady, he is expected to make subject choices soon and although I am sure he will choose those subjects he
is likely to be better at, it is always a good to have some idea which subjects may be more useful.
He is certainly interested in food, so catering might be an option.
'Male' nurse is along the lines of my thinking. There will be an increasing need for healthcare and i think if you are ahead of the game
you can get some qualifications in more desirable areas of the industry.
I do feel that putting jam in doughnuts is a profession that is likely to be affected by disruptive technology - if it hasn't already been.
With regard to being a magician, I did buy him a magic set when he was younger, but unfortunately he did not get the hang of it
and believed that the tricks should just 'magic' themselves.
I am not sure whether he will have the aptitude for IT/software line.
I like mouse's line of thinking and possibly making tea at the BBC could be an option.
Unfortunately, Lady, he is expected to make subject choices soon and although I am sure he will choose those subjects he
is likely to be better at, it is always a good to have some idea which subjects may be more useful.
He is certainly interested in food, so catering might be an option.
'Male' nurse is along the lines of my thinking. There will be an increasing need for healthcare and i think if you are ahead of the game
you can get some qualifications in more desirable areas of the industry.
Thanks for the helpful suggestions.
I do feel that putting jam in doughnuts is a profession that is likely to be affected by disruptive technology - if it hasn't already been.
With regard to being a magician, I did buy him a magic set when he was younger, but unfortunately he did not get the hang of it
and believed that the tricks should just 'magic' themselves.
I am not sure whether he will have the aptitude for IT/software line.
I like mouse's line of thinking and possibly making tea at the BBC could be an option.
Unfortunately, Lady, he is expected to make subject choices soon and although I am sure he will choose those subjects he
is likely to be better at, it is always a good to have some idea which subjects may be more useful.
He is certainly interested in food, so catering might be an option.
'Male' nurse is along the lines of my thinking. There will be an increasing need for healthcare and i think if you are ahead of the game
you can get some qualifications in more desirable areas of the industry.
I do feel that putting jam in doughnuts is a profession that is likely to be affected by disruptive technology - if it hasn't already been.
With regard to being a magician, I did buy him a magic set when he was younger, but unfortunately he did not get the hang of it
and believed that the tricks should just 'magic' themselves.
I am not sure whether he will have the aptitude for IT/software line.
I like mouse's line of thinking and possibly making tea at the BBC could be an option.
Unfortunately, Lady, he is expected to make subject choices soon and although I am sure he will choose those subjects he
is likely to be better at, it is always a good to have some idea which subjects may be more useful.
He is certainly interested in food, so catering might be an option.
'Male' nurse is along the lines of my thinking. There will be an increasing need for healthcare and i think if you are ahead of the game
you can get some qualifications in more desirable areas of the industry.
there are quite a few jobs in customer services with the positions crying out
for decent caring folk to fill them.
hotel management is a decent option, imo, for somebody with skill set in op.
many of the big chains look for kids to train up on management courses, dunno
what qualifications they look for these days, but seem to remember them taking
kids at 16, or 18 with decent exam results and a bit of nouse about them.
for decent caring folk to fill them.
hotel management is a decent option, imo, for somebody with skill set in op.
many of the big chains look for kids to train up on management courses, dunno
what qualifications they look for these days, but seem to remember them taking
kids at 16, or 18 with decent exam results and a bit of nouse about them.
Asking a bunch of lazy ******** for career advice is not the greatest idea in the first instance. 
The person is only averagely academic, is unlikely to be able to do heavy manual work or work requiring fine motor skills, isn't self-motivated, but is of a friendly, sociable and helpful nature.
drug dealer would seem like a good fit.
drug dealer would seem like a good fit.
Postman? I think they earn about £22 grand or so in London, more with overtime I would have thought.
they have to work 6 days a week though, given he's not self motivated maybe a part time job to begin with?
nhs will always need people, radiographer or physiotherapy (both need degrees though)
Not any more, think it is 5 days now. Certainly round here.
Mind you they do get extra income on things such as credit cards etc.
He'd probably need fairly thorough supervision - at least initially.
Mind you they do get extra income on things such as credit cards etc.
He'd probably need fairly thorough supervision - at least initially.
There have been numerous articles about "jobs about to be replaced by technology" so certainly I'd advise "not one of those".
What about tour guide? Airline steward?
What about tour guide? Airline steward?
Radiographer seems a cushy number. A bit like taking photos - which we have all done - but in black and white.
Probably should be looking at below degree level.
Chiropodist?
Probably should be looking at below degree level.
Chiropodist?
nhs jobs website - https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/
find an apprenticeship website - https://www.findapprenticeship.service.gov.uk/apprenticeshipsearch
it seems even chiropody needs a degree
find an apprenticeship website - https://www.findapprenticeship.service.gov.uk/apprenticeshipsearch
it seems even chiropody needs a degree
apprenticeship schemes - https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/career-planning/study-and-training/apprenti...
My brother is as thick as the 0.1g of shít you'll find (on average) down your back crevice. He got a job with Lloyds bank in a call centre. Fast forward 12 years and he is now a 'project manager' (wtf?) with Lloyds, now working in London and on £80k. You don't need intelligence, you don't need good looks, you don't need talent. You just need confidence. You say the kid is sociable and friendly; if you find nothing else then look for somewhere he can work his way up. It might look dead-end to begin with but if he gets on with people then opportunities can arise.
Another role that can be financially rewarding, yet has limited or no qualification requirement, is the world or recruitment consultancy.
Money for old rope, and you get to play king on a God basis.
Money for old rope, and you get to play king on a God basis.
You may well be right but I don't think it would get my juices flowing.
On a serious note, Night Porter at a local hotel would suit. Being sociable and friendly is more advantageous for the job than intelligence. Good money and good tips.
is unlikely to be able to do heavy manual work or work requiring fine motor skills.
wouldn't suggest automotive - most of the motors are made by robots now anyway and some of the biggest car manufacturers are abandoning UK.
wouldn't suggest automotive - most of the motors are made by robots now anyway and some of the biggest car manufacturers are abandoning UK.
Move to a self sufficent living community. There is no other sensible future.
Tell him to become a fortune teller, there's no manuel work, don't need to be academic, and you get to be friendly, helpful and sociable by telling people exactly what they want to hear, you see that line in the palm of you hand, no not that one, THAT ONE, runing between the little finger and the thumb, that say's you will find a great hoard of Roman coins worth millions on a farm in Devon in 2 years time in 3 seperate stashed locations, wow, it really says all that? yes, now that'll be £12.50 please. Easy munney.
Still some manuel work available at fawlty towers.
post all that and I all I get is a quip over a typo
probably get his own glasses free or reduced
Whatever he chooses Jack Hacksaw I wish him every success.....it is a very competitive world nowadays, he needs to know that.
People later in life often regret their choice in their youth.
Any sort of training or qualification is always an asset.
Whatever he chooses Jack Hacksaw I wish him every success.....it is a very competitive world nowadays, he needs to know that.
People later in life often regret their choice in their youth.
Any sort of training or qualification is always an asset.
A meet and greet customer representative at the air port for those coming from Pakistan it's a job to life as it's a growing industry . You might have to learn their language at night school or buy the c d Fatima and Mohamed learn Fred and Jean to speak Pakistani
Thanks. I will always encourage him obtaining qualifications.
I have friends who are opticians. They are now very rich - but that would be degree level.
A few of the suggestions involve unsocial hours. A lot of jobs now do. It suits some, I know, but many
jobs seem to combine bad hours and bad pay.
I just don't want him to wander into a crap poorly paid jjob he won't like. Very often those without qualifications and
lack of motivation do.
I have friends who are opticians. They are now very rich - but that would be degree level.
A few of the suggestions involve unsocial hours. A lot of jobs now do. It suits some, I know, but many
jobs seem to combine bad hours and bad pay.
I just don't want him to wander into a crap poorly paid jjob he won't like. Very often those without qualifications and
lack of motivation do.
If he got an electrician or central heating apprenticeship he could always get jobs on the side
I can give you the advice I gave my kids.
Do something you like, do something you are good at doing and do something people will pay you to do.
I have three kids the oldest boy partially followed this advice, he wanted to be car mechanic but changed to engineering before dropping out of tech collage without his qualifications, he has done over 30 jobs since then.
My daughter has had series of poor paid jobs before starting a family and is now working part time . My youngest son followed his dads advice, firstly going to Art collage then since leaving art collage he has moved down to the Midlands where he has a full time the job, it is irrelevant because over the last eighteen months, in his spare time he has singlehandedly been building a full on 3d video game, he has also construct a 3d video animation clip to promote the game on Youtube this is almost completed hopefully by the end of May.
Do something you like, do something you are good at doing and do something people will pay you to do.
I have three kids the oldest boy partially followed this advice, he wanted to be car mechanic but changed to engineering before dropping out of tech collage without his qualifications, he has done over 30 jobs since then.
My daughter has had series of poor paid jobs before starting a family and is now working part time . My youngest son followed his dads advice, firstly going to Art collage then since leaving art collage he has moved down to the Midlands where he has a full time the job, it is irrelevant because over the last eighteen months, in his spare time he has singlehandedly been building a full on 3d video game, he has also construct a 3d video animation clip to promote the game on Youtube this is almost completed hopefully by the end of May.
A plumber and/or an electrician as both trades are in demand; apprenticeship available; earning on the job; eventual set-up cost minimal; fellow mates help to fix issues on 1st home.
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