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who iyo is the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time??
who iyo is the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time??
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Marvin Hagler and Julio Cesar Chavez were my favs, along with Tony Sibson.
Sibbo not in the same class as the other two though. |
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They said Ali would destroy Frazier as well, lost one and was about to retire in another before Frazier's team beat him to it, some also say he lost 2 or even all 3 of his fights v Norton. Hypothetical fight conclusions always amuse me, truth is nobody will ever really know, Tyson was never a tapping for points boxer and a yes Ali would have outpointed him but that's because the whole time Tyson would have been looking for the KO. It could have gone either way, with Tyson more than any other boxer all it would have taken is one of his lopping left hooks and it's lights out. But how people can say definitely it would have gone one way or another I don't know.
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Salvador Sanchez gets a lot of critics votes, but sadly died too young to fulfill his destiny. I've heard Willie Pep spoken about in glowing terms by a lot of great judges; including Angelo Dundee. Henry Armstrong (no me neither) was eulogised by virtually everyone who saw him fight in the 30s & 40s. He held 3 world titles simultaneously at differing weights when there was only 8 all told.
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Nobody else KO'd Ali, not sure why Tyson would be any different.
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Sanchez's 'victims' include Danny "Little Red" Lopez twice, Ruben Castillo, Juan Laporte, Wilfredo Gomez and Azumah Nelson. Not a bad CV i think you'll agree
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you mean Tyson wasn't any different to all the other fighters he fought?
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Ali had been knocked down with punches in his career, like Cooper's left hook, now imagine Tyson instead having thrown that punch.
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another boxer with an unbelievable chin was, Ali
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Ali fought better boxers, tougher fighters and harder hitters than Tyson, none of whom KO'd him. But you and your 'don't like hypotheticals' has Tyson leaving him sparko?
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i watched the UFC fighter Darren Till last weekend, got a chin like a flump
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so Cooper was a harder and tougher fighter than Tyson? that's the point I'm making, Tyson's ultra aggresive style and power could have KO'd Ali, there is no foregone conclusion. Put Tyson in that position to have thrown that punch Henry threw and much less chance he'd be getting back up - in fact, Dundee bought more time by pretending something was wrong with Ali's glove, possibly he could have quit on his stool even then if he was only given the normal time between rounds.
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when ali, fought cooper first time ali, was fighting at just under 15 stone, and was
a stone and a half heavier than cooper... |
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Of course Tyson *could've* KO'd Ali. Better fighters than Tyson didn't manage it, but the possibility remains.
Boxers much less talented than Ali managed to beat Tyson. |
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Sanchez v Gomez if you fancy a quick look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r8f645aU2g |
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Homicide Hank is obviously up there but seeing as I have never seen him I could not really compare him to Duran who was the best of his generation (s)! Gene Tunney only lost to Harry Greb once. As I said there were plenty of great little men we have never heard of including our very own Mighty Atom Jimmy Wilde probably the greatest boxer these Isles have ever produced.
Tyson fought in a very poor era of heavy weights. He was impressive but there were plenty who could bang as hard as him and take shots in the 60's and 70's. There was no one like Ali! Frazier was his nemesis yes but he prevailed and Norton got the better of him yes but he didn't see Norton as a threat, not in his class. He just trained poorly and someone paid the judges, not his fault! |
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was 15 5 for first frazier fight and 15 2 for second frazier fight
and 16 stones for thrilla in manilla |
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All of Tyson's losses bar 1 were when he was a shadow of his former self - all after that 4 year inactive period after which he was fatter, slower and only motivated by money, as if in his prime Danny Williams or McBride would have beat him. He only lost to Douglas because he refused to take him seriously and was out partying all the time.
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aj was 18 stone last time out
hes an impressive boxer for his size , lennox lewis was a big guy too, and a decent boxer. could ali have stood up to these guys? pound for pound he must be better, but the sheer strength of these new heavies is quite a task for a 15 stone guy like ali they aint brainless bangers like foreman was in the rumble in the jungle |
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Ali had a similar period of inactivity. After he returned from this he beat the likes of Foreman & Frazier, as well as huge hitters like Lyle & Shavers. If you look at who Tyson actually beat, even during his prime, and you're struggling to come up with anyone. I guess he did hammer Berbick, who'd beaten Ali in the great man's last fight.
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ali was showing signs of mental and physical decline
well before he fought berbick, tis a matter of shame he was allowed anywhere near a ring during that part of his career. |
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I know that - I picked Berbick deliberately. Of course Tyson has better names on his resume, but not remotely comparable to Ali's. I'll concede that Tyson wasn't the same after his comeback but the best two fighters he ever fought, Holyfield & Lewis, kicked his ass.
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Tyson was always at his best when he was a very active fighter, fighting 15 fights in one year, 12 the next then Don King slowed him down and he started to lose his edge fighting far more infrequently, Holyfield got him after that 4 year out of the ring period, not even worth mentioning when he fought Lewis, at that point he was 15 years past it, he beat in his prime who was put in front on him and usually in the first round, regardless of oppoenents given his power and speed I don't see how anyone can just say he'd stand no chance.
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I think Ali would have made them look stupid!
People have no idea how fast he was. The hands can't hit what the eyes can't see was funny but also true and if someone weighing in at 14 and a half stone hits you without you seeing the punch it is gonna hurt! You guys must watch his fight against Cleveland " Big cat " Williams. As you will see Williams was a great athlete, he was tough, a good boxer and a heavy puncher. What's my name chump? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL8Q6yFjFRY and this is the full fight with Jim Jacobs on the mike. Weighing in at just over 15 stone and his 5th title defence of the year! OMG what a fight and what a fighter! |
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I never said he stood no chance. Anyone who hits like Tyson always has a chance. He's just not a top 10 heavyweight, let alone in the pound-for-pound conversation.
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Ali would have sucked Tyson in, slowed him down, wore him out, and toyed with his victim.
Cant believe no one is talking Alan Minter...........  |
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Boom Boom!
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Ali in his pomp against Tyson in his heyday, Ali would have boxed his ears off no question.
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Lewis beat Tyson but Iron Mike was ell past his best by then. Lewis was the first of the modern boring tactical heavyweights - crab-like with a huge size - winning through sheer size and awkwardness.
For sheer talent what about Kirkland Laing |
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Kirkland Laing
 !Top kwality boxer. Lightening reflexes and very fast twitch muscles. Beat Duran if I am not mistaken? |
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Very sad what has happened to him now I fear. Too much of the McCartney filterless.
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