So whilst everyone was focussing on the vote yesterday they sneaked this through

We are very busy - can you come back when you are feeling better?

They didn't have to wait for the vote to 'sneak' it in.

They could have done it at anytime and no one would have bothered. Maybe a few would have taken to social media but thats it.

That's just it no body gives a s*** until its them suffering

They'll soon be seething when that happens though

Have you actually read the details?

Not read that particular article due to ad-blocker.
But my understanding is that the target was four hours and hadn't been met for around five years.

That you can have a target of four hours is bad enough but I guess it's irrelevant how far towards the 3rd world you descend with your targets - if you aren't going to meet them anyway. There are probably better ways to measure how low we have stooped.

Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:44AM, SontaranStratagem wrote:

That's just it no body gives a s*** until its them suffering They'll soon be seething when that happens though

Exactly. That's how it has always been. People always say the same thing. That everyone only gives a fk when its them suffering. Remind me of the time when it wasn't like that?

must be all them foreigners

Should make them pesky foreigners wait imo

They might feck off back to the third world where the wait times are much shorter.

It might be a good thing if it stops management spending wasteful time manipulating targets and concentrate on doing their day jobs.

Turn up with high blood pressure and something up with you, you might well be sent away

You shouldn't be going to A&E with high blood pressure.
The problem is exacerbated by numpties turning up with non-emergency conditions.
Recent years mass immigration hasn't helped either.

Are you positive aka? I'm sure I've heard from a lot of people that the extra 10 million incomers since 2000  have no impact on the NHS.

Yeah it's a nightmare - I try to avoid it because of all them foreign doctors and nurses.

FFS - You ever been to A&E after 11pm? - it's wall to wall with drunks (they are all white) - mostly been fighting and stabbing each other. I know it doesn't fit with your agenda but the scene after 11pm is doctors from around the world treating drunken British white people.

Police resources (decimated in numbers as they have been) are the same. Talk to some policemen, after 9pm pretty much everything they do is alcohol related - drunk white people behaving like savages. Again it doesn't fit you agenda but it's the reality.

Too many people to keep now.

The more that come the worse it gets.

I wonder how they manage in Poland or Japan or Slovakia
without all those foreign doctors and nurses ,  I don’t know , oh I see
They don’t have mass immigration , very good

seems quite anti immigrant friendly this thread guys

"give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Here's a crazy idea - maybe we could reduce/abolish tuition fees for the professions that we need. Instead of studying (and getting into £40k+ debt) for a useless degree that will see them working in a call centre or delivering pizza, some of our young people might choose to study, science, engineering and medicine.

Or we could carry on importing people with the skills we lack from around the world (mostly from outside the EU)?
Govt has always had control over immigration from outside the EU, why does that number keep growing iyo?

You been to a university lately? - half the campus is foreign (mostly east-asian) - 5 days a week at about 9am they all head off to the medicine buildings. Then at about 11am (about 2 days a week) a load of hung-over white kids drag themselves out of bed and head towards the social sciences building.

gender studies seems that it could be worth taking these days

Too many people busy hankering after the good old days - focussed all their efforts on the present (making a quick buck), completely forgot about investing in the future. Now wondering where it all went wrong and looking for somebody, anybody to blame. The spivs and charlatans that facilitated the loadsa money era are all very happy to point you in the wrong direction.

It suits them - If you weren't too busy looking in the wrong direction, JRM and his like might have to answer some very awkward questions about where he got all his money and where it is currently located. It's only a few years ago, we elected a PM whose father practically invented tax avoidance ffs.

Ah no .  we wouldn’t need more doctors and nurses if we didn’t increase the population with mass immigration
There is no point bring in more people and then saying we need more doctors and nurses now is there
About 1.7 million people are employed in the nhs now , isn’t it unbelievable and that has to be paid for
Now if we do need more nurses and doctors , then train them or if necessary interview and employ from overseas ( being very careful to check on qualifications and training ) ...and stop mass immigration and stabilise the population numbers , that’s fine

And stop the nhs from losing billlions every year treating people from every corner of the world

Why do universities have foreign students ? They pay more and it brings in money
And this is particularly true in medical studies , that’s why
And of course if a foreign student is paying perhaps 3 or ; times that if the British potential student , well it’s not difficult to work out

a load of hung-over white kids drag themselves out of bed and head towards the social sciences building.

That's very racist, what have you got against white people?

Just telling you how it is Dr Crippen - it's not racist btw - do you not understand racism?

Still better you pick me up on that than comment on the point I was making. You seem to be very easily distracted.

Do you think our education and further education is currently paving the way for a better, more prosperous and more self sufficient future?

The education system of a country has surprisingly little effect on a countries prosperity
So you can stop worrying about that

LOL - It has a not very surprising effect on the number of people with skills we have to import (mostly from outside the EU).

Good luck with your surgery when you need it lfc!

I’ve told you how to solve that already the management , try and keep up

You must have been a very lazy student ?

it's not racist btw - do you not understand racism?

Well you obviously don't.

You're discriminating between black people and white people by implying that black students are more motivated than white students.

To suggest any superiority of one race over another is pretty strong stuff in this day and age.
You've got some catching up to do matey.

You wanna send em all back to where they came from if I understand you correctly - then the population will go down by 10m?

But if you have sent them all away - who is treating the remaining 60m? - sociology students?

I don't think the issue is as simple as you are.

disgraceful

Dr Crippen - Black? where did I say that?
I said if you pop into a medicine lecture or watch them going in, the vast majority are east-asian.

tut tut The management I’ve already explained that , now go back and read carefully
read it again and try and understand , too difficult ?

I apologise for that, you didn't say black you said (mostly east-asian)

You still singled out white students for your slur.

I’ll. make  it simple for you , foreign medical students pay much more for their courses , the university admin and staff and lecturers are on very high salaries now , that’s how it is

I’m not saying that the faculty staff might favour these high fee paying foreign students over british , but it could lead to this ?
I don’t know

If you have a student ( foreign ) who will pay £70,000 and a British student who will pay £30,000
Who are you going to take in ? Do the maths

Dr C - so sorry to have offended you.

lfc - you are just to thick to waste any more time on.

The thread title is - "So whilst everyone was focussing on the vote yesterday they sneaked this through.."

i.e. The NHS and pretty much every other public service is going down the toilet because you are solely fixated on immigration. They sneaked it through because you (and Dr C) are so easily distracted.

They could close your local hospital, school, library, etc tomorrow and they probably will, they will do it with impunity because they know you are too busy looking in the wrong direction (for blame), to do anything about it. You are an absolute wet dream for their ideology. Like I said - good luck with your surgery should you ever need it.

It sucks when you spell an intelligence related insult incorrectly.

saddo - I is gutted like!
The missing "o" has derailed the whole thrust of the point I was making. Thank you for your contribution though - first class - as ever.

Do you know there was a psychological test that looked at people who were of liberal type politically , and those on the right
And it was found that leftists had an inability to understand the viewpoint of those on the right ,
But that those on the right could understand although disagree with those from the other viewpoint.
Leftists seemed trapped in early adult hood and hadnt  matured much beyond that and were unable to take in board even the possibility of a different way of looking at things
The management seems to a text book example of this

sounds like a made up study

did you make it up yourself, or was it on another site
, in which case you can give us a link to it!

donny I read it in the library many years ago , it surprised me

but that’s what it said , there it is

I recall they took 5 catergeries , can’t recall exactly what they were , empathy   , reasoning ...
Those sort of things
And that was the outcome   , I was a litte surprised it made me think

Sargeant: "left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right...."

Private:  "Are we nearly there yet Sarge?"

Sargeant: "Hmm, no, we appear to be still standing on the exact same spot where we started.

Private:  "What's that in the distance sarge?"

Sargeant: "That's the rest of the world. Cheating bast@rds must have gone in a straight line!

lfc:      "left, right, left, right, left, right, left right...."

Thanks for taking the time to educate a few dullards on a forum when you-apparently- could be out there steering the ship.

Lucky for you that lfc doesn't read replies - he would be livid that you have called him a dullard.

My days of steering are long gone. I wouldn't be posting on here if I wasn't well past all of that. I spent enough time working with problems in business to know that short term, knee-jerk, sound bites, etc don't offer lasting solutions - and I have lived through enough governments (party politics) to know that short term, knee jerk, sound bites is all they have to offer.