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The newborn son of Shamima Begum has died in Syria.
The baby, Jarrah, who was less than three weeks old, was rushed to a local hospital with breathing difficulties but could not be saved.
Tasnime Akunjee, the Begum family’s lawyer, yesterday cited “strong but unconfirmed reports” that the baby had died and after several hours of conflicting reports, the Syrian Defence Forces, a Kurdish-led alliance, eventually confirmed his death.
The development is likely to cause further political fallout following fierce debate about Miss Begum’s status and the rights of her baby.
The 19-year-old has begged to be allowed to return home for her son’s own safety and wellbeing.
The baby, Jarrah, who was less than three weeks old, was rushed to a local hospital with breathing difficulties but could not be saved.
Tasnime Akunjee, the Begum family’s lawyer, yesterday cited “strong but unconfirmed reports” that the baby had died and after several hours of conflicting reports, the Syrian Defence Forces, a Kurdish-led alliance, eventually confirmed his death.
The development is likely to cause further political fallout following fierce debate about Miss Begum’s status and the rights of her baby.
The 19-year-old has begged to be allowed to return home for her son’s own safety and wellbeing.
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Mar 10, 2019 -- 10:28AM, dambuster wrote:
nofx She was a minor ..most 15 year old girls i know, are into make up, boys,TV,music. etc etc . Not flying out to join murderous regimes by there own free will. HTH
Free will is an illusion, the same as time.
nd, since this apparently uber hard for people to grasp, she does not have a husband. She was A) a minor and B) wed under sharia law which no EU country recognises. Don't know about England in three weeks but fingers crossed eh
Just because she is considered a minor in the UK and the EU doesn't recognise Sharia law's authority in the EU it doesn't mean she isn't married and doesn't have a husband.
Just because she is considered a minor in the UK and the EU doesn't recognise Sharia law's authority in the EU it doesn't mean she isn't married and doesn't have a husband.
That would mean nofx thinks all the muslims living under sharia law in the UK/EU aren't married either and should be living by the laws of the UK/EU.
The benefits system does recognise shariah marriages and pays out accordingly
Mar 10, 2019 -- 9:53AM, dambuster wrote:
This is all a scam, and the gullible lefties have fallen for it like they always do.She probably never had any babies, and is making up all this bull5hit for sympathy.Bring her home and hang her.
well said,, and the 2 that went with her
all this baby bollocs one big scam.lets hope that abbott is never home sec. what a ****g idiot.
Mar 10, 2019 -- 11:26AM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:
That would mean nofx thinks all the muslims living under sharia law in the UK/EU aren't married either and should be living by the laws of the UK/EU.
for all intends and purposes, they aren't
Mar 10, 2019 -- 11:18AM, Shrewd_dude wrote:
nd, since this apparently uber hard for people to grasp, she does not have a husband. She was A) a minor and B) wed under sharia law which no EU country recognises. Don't know about England in three weeks but fingers crossed eh Just because she is considered a minor in the UK and the EU doesn't recognise Sharia law's authority in the EU it doesn't mean she isn't married and doesn't have a husband.
yes it does. swell you are looking out for them religious freedoms and all but no, we aim protect our minors from radical scams like marrying them off in the name of some spook in the sky
shes 19 now ? will have to make her own way in the world like everyone else
not in Britain because of the hijab so not appropriate
not in Britain because of the hijab so not appropriate
How do know it was baby and not a 30 year old man and he is still alive and is been smuggled into the UK right now by the British government?
Stranger things have happend
Stranger things have happend
how many votes will labour lose because of there view on this,, the tories must be having a right giggle to themselves over this.
Mar 10, 2019 -- 12:04PM, lfc1971 wrote:
so we don't want anymore like that coming to England and breeding , and voting , thanks
you should say ,,the uk .
es it does. swell you are looking out for them religious freedoms and all but no, we aim protect our minors from radical scams like marrying them off in the name of some spook in the sky
No it doesn't. Just because the UK may not consider their marriage as valid it doesn't mean they are not married and he is not her husband. She is in Syria and subject to their legal jurisdiction which as it stands it sounds as if they are married from the information we have. Her husband is Dutch and it sounds like the Netherlands would also recognise it as as a valid marriage.
If you want to say her marriage may not be recognised as valid in the UK that's fine but it is pretty much irrelevant until she enters the the UK or seeks to rely on a marital right under UK law.
No it doesn't. Just because the UK may not consider their marriage as valid it doesn't mean they are not married and he is not her husband. She is in Syria and subject to their legal jurisdiction which as it stands it sounds as if they are married from the information we have. Her husband is Dutch and it sounds like the Netherlands would also recognise it as as a valid marriage.
If you want to say her marriage may not be recognised as valid in the UK that's fine but it is pretty much irrelevant until she enters the the UK or seeks to rely on a marital right under UK law.
I always wonder what Betfair as a company think about this stuff.
We've seen so much pressure for Facebook and Twitter to take responsibility for what's posted on there, and this place is no different.
Added to that you have the scrutiny of all things betting at the moment.
I've blocked the fool, but someone's quoted lfc's utterly racist and offensive post and there it sits and there he continues to post in the same vein day in, day out.
Imagine someone with a grudge was taking screen grabs of the stuff posted here and sent them to a newspaper eager to make capitol from digging out a big bookie. Could be carnage. Just don't understand how the mods are so reckless and allow this filth on here unchecked.
We've seen so much pressure for Facebook and Twitter to take responsibility for what's posted on there, and this place is no different.
Added to that you have the scrutiny of all things betting at the moment.
I've blocked the fool, but someone's quoted lfc's utterly racist and offensive post and there it sits and there he continues to post in the same vein day in, day out.
Imagine someone with a grudge was taking screen grabs of the stuff posted here and sent them to a newspaper eager to make capitol from digging out a big bookie. Could be carnage. Just don't understand how the mods are so reckless and allow this filth on here unchecked.
Does that mean he should be forced to say he does want more people like that coming to England and breeding, and voting?
“I think there is a fundamental equality in British citizens and if you can’t take my passport away, then you shouldn’t be able to take it away from anybody else.
“I think that you can’t have two tiers of citizenship: those who got it more recently or whose parents got it and those of us who have lived quietly in Somerset for centuries and can’t have it taken away.
“But actually, I think the principle of British citizenship, something that is such a precious gift, is one that we should value and we shouldn’t devalue by having it as something you can take away.”
these leftists are out of touch
“I think that you can’t have two tiers of citizenship: those who got it more recently or whose parents got it and those of us who have lived quietly in Somerset for centuries and can’t have it taken away.
“But actually, I think the principle of British citizenship, something that is such a precious gift, is one that we should value and we shouldn’t devalue by having it as something you can take away.”
these leftists are out of touch
Ah sorry stop living in fantasy land
Britain has full of people who don’t care two hoots about Britain
Don’t allow yourself to believe anything else
Britain has full of people who don’t care two hoots about Britain
Don’t allow yourself to believe anything else
Anyone who thinks they are British is a fool , look around
Anyone who considers themselves to be British , or thinks that means anything much
Is an even greater fool
Is an even greater fool
Britain and British people are getting quite the reputation. , as terrorists and exporters of terrorists
That’s Britain , so stop talking nonsense about British values
That’s Britain , so stop talking nonsense about British values
You see a very large number of people in Britain don’t believe in those values , understand ?
you are just rambling without actually saying anything, lfc
oh and yes Aaron , I no longer consider myself to be British
so I can talk about it anyway I like , ok with that ?
so I can talk about it anyway I like , ok with that ?
Can't be a coincidence that Netherlands is an anagram of Nenderthals.
PP
I don’t think it’s particularly bigoted to suggest the non allowance of ‘these people’ to not be allowed back into a country to sow anti British hatred after they have clearly shown their true intentions, not simply verbally but affirmatively in their actions in covertly advancing that of an enemy.
She and others have abused the good nature of the accommodations of the civil rights, not just in the support of an aggressor, but in the manner she was blasé in assuming she’d be able to abuse our trust once more by being allowed back, showing the least contrition in playing to the gallery of her community and rearing a future possible headache in the process.
This country has become something of a laughing stock, humiliated and pillaged from people within who quite happily will abuse our trust.
For the record, my comment about the ‘Home Office having a mobile disco at the news’ was based on the invidious position officials had before the child died.
I don’t think it’s particularly bigoted to suggest the non allowance of ‘these people’ to not be allowed back into a country to sow anti British hatred after they have clearly shown their true intentions, not simply verbally but affirmatively in their actions in covertly advancing that of an enemy.
She and others have abused the good nature of the accommodations of the civil rights, not just in the support of an aggressor, but in the manner she was blasé in assuming she’d be able to abuse our trust once more by being allowed back, showing the least contrition in playing to the gallery of her community and rearing a future possible headache in the process.
This country has become something of a laughing stock, humiliated and pillaged from people within who quite happily will abuse our trust.
For the record, my comment about the ‘Home Office having a mobile disco at the news’ was based on the invidious position officials had before the child died.
This Woman is a Raving Lunatic ,If isis were still running the Show we would have not heard of her ,She would be standing by while innocent people Were being Raped tortured, Burnt to death and beheaded , Nothing to do with Racism, as For the Child if
there was one , the Poor thing is probably better off dead , if she did have another 2 what happened to them ??
As for our Luvvie friends they all need to stand up and Be counted plenty of Isis types returning, shirley they will put these poor unfortunates Up in their Houses ,with their Families ,while they resettle into the Community ..
there was one , the Poor thing is probably better off dead , if she did have another 2 what happened to them ??
As for our Luvvie friends they all need to stand up and Be counted plenty of Isis types returning, shirley they will put these poor unfortunates Up in their Houses ,with their Families ,while they resettle into the Community ..
Dusty, I've actually logged out since and seen his comments.
Shouldn't come here because she wears a hijab, send her to a Muslim country. Something about muslims voting for Labour. Etc.
Just about some of the most overt racist stuff on any mainstream board.
But it's still up here hours later.
As I've said, I just think this could be very damaging to the Betfair brand if someone gave it to the Mirror for example. You've got months and thousands of posts of his and many others just like this. It's not a one off. Would be some very awkward questions to answer. Just surprised they're being so reckless.
Shouldn't come here because she wears a hijab, send her to a Muslim country. Something about muslims voting for Labour. Etc.
Just about some of the most overt racist stuff on any mainstream board.
But it's still up here hours later.
As I've said, I just think this could be very damaging to the Betfair brand if someone gave it to the Mirror for example. You've got months and thousands of posts of his and many others just like this. It's not a one off. Would be some very awkward questions to answer. Just surprised they're being so reckless.
He's only an amature racist, there's definitely much worse than that on here.
How is suggesting a group vote in a certain way racist?
I've heard comments like that on every tv programme when voting habits are being analysed.
Porkie on his high horse yet again.
I've heard comments like that on every tv programme when voting habits are being analysed.
Porkie on his high horse yet again.
poor form to block someone and then start trolling them , imo
leftists are like that , don’t trust them they don’t deserve to be trusted
leftists are like that , don’t trust them they don’t deserve to be trusted
They’ve just shown a clip on the news of surrendered IS brides and some fighters, many of whom were openly hostile and intransigent.
They are tactically retreating only to commence again when the time is right.
Medieval kings would have seen to that, they’d have been blinded wholesale....today they’ll be afforded whatever they need.
Incidentally, I noticed one male kid had a Chanel jumper on while another a Ferrari one
These fools don’t know up from down ffs
They are tactically retreating only to commence again when the time is right.
Medieval kings would have seen to that, they’d have been blinded wholesale....today they’ll be afforded whatever they need.
Incidentally, I noticed one male kid had a Chanel jumper on while another a Ferrari one
These fools don’t know up from down ffs
Looks like he's trying to get you banned imo, very poor form.
As I've said, I just think this could be very damaging to the Betfair brand if someone gave it to the Mirror for example. You've got months and thousands of posts of his and many others just like this. It's not a one off. Would be some very awkward questions to answer. Just surprised they're being so reckless.
I doubt the Mirror would care. Whilst I would agree the hijab comment may be racist saying we should send an islamic extremist who went abroad to join a terrorist organisation to a muslim country and that we don't want her type here breeding is not in any way racist. It's a perfectly acceptable viewpoint.
I doubt the Mirror would care. Whilst I would agree the hijab comment may be racist saying we should send an islamic extremist who went abroad to join a terrorist organisation to a muslim country and that we don't want her type here breeding is not in any way racist. It's a perfectly acceptable viewpoint.
That's my feeling too Saddo.
Not sure either why not wanting a terrorist supporter into our country is being racist.
Not sure either why not wanting a terrorist supporter into our country is being racist.
the moderators aim is surprisingly accurate saddo I’ve survived so far : )
Some people can't accept that the well intentioned dream has failed dismally.
An Evening Pressing the report Button is a decent pastime for some .
I’m only here until Brexit anyway , just a couple of weeks more
If i survive that long !
If i survive that long !
no I can’t go beyond that baphornet , with only my memory to remind me of my wild talk : )
and I might think , did I really talk like that ?,
I don’t know
and I might think , did I really talk like that ?,
I don’t know
Porkie disappeared. Sore finger maybe if you get my drift.
RSI probably. Clearly trying to get you banned for no good reason LFC. Embarrassing to see somebody stoop so low, but nobody is surprised. Good luck LFC.
Went to bed aka. I know your wit is unrivalled but I just couldn't keep my eyes open long enough.
And no, I've never reported lfc or anyone else. I enjoy mocking them too much, though he was just too tiresome to engage with ultimately. Just an observation on my part that this kind of talk could look pretty bad if framed in a certain way by a journalist with an agenda. Carry on.
And no, I've never reported lfc or anyone else. I enjoy mocking them too much, though he was just too tiresome to engage with ultimately. Just an observation on my part that this kind of talk could look pretty bad if framed in a certain way by a journalist with an agenda. Carry on.
^ don’t believe anything pineapple says you see people like that are very slippery
He’s thruwung accusations of racism around here , and he would do the same in real life
And it’s a very dangerous and serious thing he could cost someone their job and lead to all sorts of problems ,a court case whatever
That’s in the real world , so be very wary of people like that , dishonest ones like him
He’s thruwung accusations of racism around here , and he would do the same in real life
And it’s a very dangerous and serious thing he could cost someone their job and lead to all sorts of problems ,a court case whatever
That’s in the real world , so be very wary of people like that , dishonest ones like him
Now the guy is quite simply a liar , on this thread he has accused me of being a racist for disliking the hijab
I do , I think its very damaging psychologically for young children to see their mothers dressed like that
I think it should be considered a form of child cruelty
That’s not racist
You see he throws around accusations that there are many examples of racism , I can assure you that pineapple is too stupid to understand what is racism and what isn’t , that’s why , in real life , people like that are so dangerous
I do , I think its very damaging psychologically for young children to see their mothers dressed like that
I think it should be considered a form of child cruelty
That’s not racist
You see he throws around accusations that there are many examples of racism , I can assure you that pineapple is too stupid to understand what is racism and what isn’t , that’s why , in real life , people like that are so dangerous
I never said I wasn't racist, I just said the wearing of the hijab is a bad thing
Pop went the weasel comment, but he can call you a racist .
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Baphornet • March 11, 2019 4:54 PM GMT
Abbott is asking an urgent question now in the House
"Where's the remote?"
Abbott is asking an urgent question now in the House
"Where's the remote?"
I don't think you are racist lfc
just a little misguided at times!
I bought a couple of bottles of Directors for tonight. Kwality Soothern beer!
just a little misguided at times!
I bought a couple of bottles of Directors for tonight. Kwality Soothern beer!
From Parliament's 'Hall of Shame' (direct from Hansard) a Diane Abbott 'olden oldie' written question...
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https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2016-06-24/41141
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https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2016-06-24/41141
don’t believe anything pineapple says you see people like that are very slippery
Good summation of this poster. Be careful what you post lfc as he seems extremely trigger happy just now.
Good summation of this poster. Be careful what you post lfc as he seems extremely trigger happy just now.
Private Eye would often say how the European services would call our capital city Londonistan after its Islamification two decades ago.
Mar 12, 2019 -- 10:38AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
are you a Northern Monkey treetop?
Racist
i note that her 'hubby' said that he "didn't fight for long" must have been the 2 years he wasn't banging her to get her pregnant
Mar 12, 2019 -- 1:09PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
don't you lot spell it waycist Denzil?
Laycist actually I'm Chinese
Think it's moist sock what used to spell it waycist.
Today's baby, tomorrow's terrorist. It had shíte DNA so good riddance.
.. Must be a new Forum Low from Lybertyne.
.. Must be a new Forum Low from Lybertyne.
Have to agree Galsgow,
Was a little shocked when I saw it and was too dumbfounded to comment, very sad not just on Lybertyne but all of us.
Was a little shocked when I saw it and was too dumbfounded to comment, very sad not just on Lybertyne but all of us.
Yes, it's the old nurture v nature argument. Would the baby have grown up ok with a good upbringing, or would it's DNA be it's downfall. We'll never know now.
No it's not. Don't be a plank!
It is nasty horrible sheite!
It is nasty horrible sheite!
what a stupid question
what is the best dna or sorry should I say the worst, fat Americans or fat Europeans?
Moronic comment. I expect better from you muldoon. You can be very funny and cutting. Don't think it alright to be a pricke just because there are so many on these forums!
Lead don't follow muldoon!
what is the best dna or sorry should I say the worst, fat Americans or fat Europeans?
Moronic comment. I expect better from you muldoon. You can be very funny and cutting. Don't think it alright to be a pricke just because there are so many on these forums!
Lead don't follow muldoon!
ok gmad
I see and respec your moonie! fairs fair!
I see and respec your moonie! fairs fair!
They have the capability to augment their own obesity through the science of bovine genetics.
It was reported in a number of newspapers a couple of weeks ago that the troops advancing against IS found 50 heads of yazidi sex slaves that IS, after all this time r@ping them, had just beheaded when the game was up. No candlelit street vigils for them. Lots of coverage and hand wringing for one of the IS supporters though. I'm aware of the new chit chat rule that pointing something like this out makes you a fascist worse than hitler.
Honestly not sure if the last post is pro or anti that girl being allowed back home.
I'm not surprised POP doesn't understand a post, it'll be a landmark moment when he does.
PorcupineorPineapple • March 16, 2019 1:52 PM GMT
Honestly not sure if the last post is pro or anti that girl being allowed back home.
Does it have to be one or the other ? I thought JC was just stating facts
Honestly not sure if the last post is pro or anti that girl being allowed back home.
Does it have to be one or the other ? I thought JC was just stating facts
If she comes back, what benefits to Britain is there? None that i have thought off.
Negativs: Possible terrorist, quite obv her views havent changed, claiming all the benefits going, supporting ISIS still and encourging others. Who knows what she did or didnt do over there!
Why risk it?
Shame about an innocent child dying, but she has no one to blame but herself. She only tried to come back as the ISIS stronghold was defeated.
Negativs: Possible terrorist, quite obv her views havent changed, claiming all the benefits going, supporting ISIS still and encourging others. Who knows what she did or didnt do over there!
Why risk it?
Shame about an innocent child dying, but she has no one to blame but herself. She only tried to come back as the ISIS stronghold was defeated.
Just another political charade what about the rest of returners who are already here?
and mentioned above by Just Checking
It was reported in a number of newspapers a couple of weeks ago that the troops advancing against IS found 50 heads of yazidi sex slaves that IS, after all this time r@ping them, had just beheaded when the game was up. No candlelit street vigils for them. Lots of coverage and hand wringing for one of the IS supporters though.
Gives a bit of reality to the situation
and mentioned above by Just Checking
It was reported in a number of newspapers a couple of weeks ago that the troops advancing against IS found 50 heads of yazidi sex slaves that IS, after all this time r@ping them, had just beheaded when the game was up. No candlelit street vigils for them. Lots of coverage and hand wringing for one of the IS supporters though.
Gives a bit of reality to the situation
Good Lord Maud!
I agree with Denzil!
What about the others? Murdering scumbags and a danger to us all?
The Home Secretary dog whistles to the basket of deplorables but what is he doin* to protect us?
IMHO Begum was / is a silly little girl who poses no danger to us by herself. Again imho she left for a silly girl romantic adventure and got caught up in something beyond her control. What would her life be like in England? Absolute dogsheite I am sure probably be married off to some old illiterate man from the home country. I can understand why she would want to do anything to avoid that future.
She displayed a lot of ignorance/ indifference to what happened to her and almost demanded to come back Again imho typical ignorant behaviour of a millennial but also perhaps a touch of ptsd thrown in.
I have no sympathy for her. I think she would be in danger if she came back and there is no way here paedo husband would be allowed her.
Unfortunately Javid has made this a showcase while the filth that have brutalised the Yazidis are probably coming back under the radar!
I agree with Denzil!
What about the others? Murdering scumbags and a danger to us all?
The Home Secretary dog whistles to the basket of deplorables but what is he doin* to protect us?
IMHO Begum was / is a silly little girl who poses no danger to us by herself. Again imho she left for a silly girl romantic adventure and got caught up in something beyond her control. What would her life be like in England? Absolute dogsheite I am sure probably be married off to some old illiterate man from the home country. I can understand why she would want to do anything to avoid that future.
She displayed a lot of ignorance/ indifference to what happened to her and almost demanded to come back Again imho typical ignorant behaviour of a millennial but also perhaps a touch of ptsd thrown in.
I have no sympathy for her. I think she would be in danger if she came back and there is no way here paedo husband would be allowed her.
Unfortunately Javid has made this a showcase while the filth that have brutalised the Yazidis are probably coming back under the radar!
This girls mindset was pretty similar to the mindset of the people that hate the west. I wasnt surprised to read her justification for the manchester bombings. They kill our kids so its ok to kill theirs. This was a girl born and living in UK coming through the UK education system having this mindset!
Now imagine the hundreds of thousands of kids living in middle east, especially in the countries we have invaded in the last two decades. These are countries with a poor education infrastructure. On top of that, the whole political scene is corrupt, with the mandatory religious parties using West's invasions as the excuse to brainwash kids into hating the west and using their votes(if applicable) to come to power.
Almost all the refugees I met during my work in 2016 cited the same thing when I'd ask them what they thought of us. You invade our countries so we hate you. But everytime I say that to people here or anywhere else, the response I get is, then why do they come here? Sweden didnt invade them but look what they did to sweden, its their book that tells them to kill infidels etc etc etc.
The western brain thinks if something doesn't make sense, it cant be true. There is no problem with that. But the hatred is real, even if the justification for that hatred doesnt make sense to you. Sadly it'll take years till people realize that. And as we see everyday, it is probably already too late.
Now imagine the hundreds of thousands of kids living in middle east, especially in the countries we have invaded in the last two decades. These are countries with a poor education infrastructure. On top of that, the whole political scene is corrupt, with the mandatory religious parties using West's invasions as the excuse to brainwash kids into hating the west and using their votes(if applicable) to come to power.
Almost all the refugees I met during my work in 2016 cited the same thing when I'd ask them what they thought of us. You invade our countries so we hate you. But everytime I say that to people here or anywhere else, the response I get is, then why do they come here? Sweden didnt invade them but look what they did to sweden, its their book that tells them to kill infidels etc etc etc.
The western brain thinks if something doesn't make sense, it cant be true. There is no problem with that. But the hatred is real, even if the justification for that hatred doesnt make sense to you. Sadly it'll take years till people realize that. And as we see everyday, it is probably already too late.
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