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What conspiracy theories do you believe are true?
What conspiracy theories do you believe are true?
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I don't think that was a conspiracy as such.
More a group of people scared to break cover. I never liked him but didn't have a clue to his behaviour. |
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Aka. There are lots of conspiracy theories that later turned out to be true, mate. MK Ultra, Project Sunshine, USS Maddox incident, Operation Northwoods proposals. All of those things, and their believers, were ridiculed as the most far fetched nonsense conspiracies at one time. AFAIK they're now all considered to be true by most people. Interestingly, most seem to involve the CIA in some regard - perhaps that should be a clue as to what we should be wary of today?
Another widely ridiculed conspiracy theory once upon a time BTW was that smoking causes cancer. |
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Will give that first group a look up Torqu. Have never heard of any of them.
I wasn't aware of the cancer link being ridiculed. Ignored and/or doubted yes. |
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I try to look at most things with an open mind. Even with what I have written above though, like yourself I still find most popular conspiracy theories talked about today to be totally unbelievable and probably nonsense. But it's best I think not to be too dismissive of things like JFK and 911 etc because the conspiracy theorist might be proven correct one day.
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Consider this. Just as the rise of the internet has spawned and then fanned the flames of many, many conspiracy theories which are nonsense, it has also allowed some genuine resesrchers and whistleblowers to get the truth out to millions of people where once they could easily be suppressed by those far more powerful.
Some conspiracy theories are true. |
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The JFK assassination certainly causes concern but the problem is that there exists quite a few different theories.
Like you it wouldn't surprise me if one of them was proved correct. 9/11 is similar but when people start talking about planes not existing or having no passengers etc then I switch off. |
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Googled those other 4. Will give me something to check out over the next few days.
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Have you looked at the anal bomb theory?
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Nope I gave that one the bumsrush.
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Maybe BITO could look into that.
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I haven't looked very deeply into it either.
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And therein lies the problem Aka. The more crazy proponents of conspiracy theories like 911 and JFK do the counter argument to the official story no favours. It turns away people like yourself from the whole thing. It shouldn't, but it does and millions feel the same.
Like yourself I would not have believed that high ranking members of the US government would officially propose shooting down a passenger jet full of American citizens just to falsely blame it on another nation to garner support for military action. And yet that is exactly what happened it seems. |
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Operation Mockingbird is another conspiracy theory that is almost certainly true. The CIA infiltrated main stream media to promote lies for propaganda purposes.
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Like yourself I would not have believed that high ranking members of the US government would officially propose shooting down a passenger jet full of American citizens just to falsely blame it on another nation to garner support for military action. And yet that is exactly what happened it seems.
That is more believable than the theories of no/plane/no passengers and etc. The USS Maddox was a cover up and the conspiracy theorists at the time kept it simple. Used something that didn't happen to justify entering the Vietnam war as it suited them. Just watched a 3 minute vid on what happened. |
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The passenger plane thing wasn't anything to do with 911, Aka. It was a proposal in the 60s called Operation Northwoods.
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Remember the Maine! To hell with Spain!
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President Kennedy refused to go along with it.
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Bear in mind that Operation Northwoods was officially authorised by the Joint Chiefs of Staff! They were all in favour of it. It sounds utterly implausible but it's true. Only President Kennedy personally stopped the US military shooting down and murdering a plane full of innocent American citizens.
I keep that fact in mind before pooh poohing the 911 conspiracy theorists. |
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You bring up some good points torque, but nowadays you have the Alex Jones lot who will believe anything they hear on that infowars nonsense eg the Clinton pedophile pizzagate thing. I'm not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton but that was disgusting.
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Yes, Hank, the likes of Alex Jones surely turns more people against conspiracy theorists than he does to support them. I can't stand him.
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The danger with people like Alex Jones is that they stop people investigating for the truth. You mention the Pizzagate thing. All that disgusting and unbelievable stuff about Clinton was just that - disgusting and unbelievable. But has all that deflected attention away from a very real peadophile ring in Washington DC? It has happened before - another conspiracy theory that turned out to be true. The Franklin Scandal.
And what about the hacked emailer himself, John Podesta? I personally think he has questions to answer about those emails, but all the MSM seem concerned about is how terrible it is that his emails were hacked from Weiner's laptop. What was all that stuff about cheese and pizza in those messsges? It was all utterly bizarre. Was it code for something? And if so what? If you read the emails, claiming that they were innocently about actual cheese and pizza etc doesn't ring true at all. Something smells rotten with the whole lot to me. |
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Sorry Torqu I knew that, had a brief read of that on Wiki.
I was only using the 9/11 for comparison with what we call conspiracies today. I think in those days it was trying to reveal cover ups whilst nowadays its become a money making industry. |
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Have you read the Podesta emails, Aka?
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It is definitely a money making industry for some as you say, Aka. For most probably. But I bet some are just trying to get to the truth.
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My phone is about to run out of battery unfortunately. I'll have to go. Cheers everyone.
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Were they covered on the Trump thread?
And weren't they shown to be fake? I don't take a great interest in American politics. |
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Cheers Torqu catch you - goodnight.
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There's no doubt people do conspire (Watergate) and there's things like Iraq WMDs and CIA knowledge of Saudi involvement in 9/11 which were a sort of conspiracy. Sir Jimmy Savile was interviewed once by police and his visit to a children's home in Jersey was reported in the Currant Bun but then disappeared thanks to his lawyers. Savile was more a case of people doing nothing rather than conspiring.
But when the conspiracy involves thousands of people all covering up (moon-landings, twin towers controlled explosions, Jo Cox recently) that it becomes truly risible. People who believe these are sad inadequates who think they know something that makes them special - but it just makes them stupid. |
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Torque.... You bring up some very interesting posts and offer many points of view which differ from the official narratives.
The key element of any major crime/ situation which you want hidden is to completely manage the mass perception of the event. If you are going to be able to do that in the first instance you need to know it is going to happen and know exactly when it is going to happen and make sure everything is place for you to do so. As an individual it is very difficult to undertake the massive time consuming task of unraveling all that you have seen and quantifying it as totally believable. If you have any doubts about the event at all then it may not be all as it seems, however, who has the time to get the job done properly ? Not many thats for sure so you have to build up your resources in a manner of who you can actually trust as the amount of total bollox which is out there in the land of youtube and MSM is a total minefield which most would find impossible to work through throughly. The problem is even when you have done this and enter into dialogue about certain matters there will always be a surplus of contributors who want to knock your views and condemn your sources. That is life !!! Personally I do what I can to understand viewpoints and test the hypothesis, if it is indeed practical to do so, to enable me to understand the statements. Not every event is a contrived one. After a while you get a sense to understand if a mass perception management operation may be taking place. |
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Apophenia:
Medical definition: In psychology, the perception of connections and meaningfulness in unrelated things. Apophenia can be a normal phenomenon or an abnormal one, as in paranoid schizophrenia when the patient sees ominous patterns where there are none. One variation is known as Gambler's fallacy Apophenia is well documented as a rationalization for gambling. Gamblers may imagine that they see patterns in the numbers that appear in lotteries, card games, or roulette wheels. One variation of this is known as the "gambler's fallacy". If you back horses (and study form or use statistics) as part of your selection process - you are likely suffering from some form of Apophenia (either consciously or subconciously) - either way it explains why there are so many conspiracy theory loons on gambling forums. There is also some linkage between OCD and the propensity to become a problem gambler. Both irrational compulsions. |
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If you back horses (and study form or use statistics) as part of your selection process - you are likely suffering from some form of Apophenia
Not sure about this, actually when I'm studying form it often prompts me to think of the following proposition; There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. |
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DENIAL :
1.3 Refusal to acknowledge an unacceptable truth or emotion or to admit it into consciousness, used as a defence mechanism. ‘I was an addict in denial’ Explains why there are so many proponents of a mainstream media narrative on any forum When you spin a coin there are always 2 possible outcomes  |
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^ The original "The Donald" - only slightly less mad (or senile by then) than the current "The Donald".
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John.W.Henry. 07 Mar 19 12:55
When you spin a coin there are always 2 possible outcomes On the basis that the forum is hosted by a betting exchange.... So long a I can get 11/10 each of them - happy days! |
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Exactly, it's all about deciding how much weight to give to the known knowns and how much potential weight to give to the unknown knowns / unknown unknowns. Master that and you have the game cracked.
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JWH - I suspect if you saw 11/10 on a coin-flip you would stick it in a trixie with Elvis and the Loch Ness Monster.
But good luck with your betting and however else you like to spend your time. |
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if you spin a coin it has 2 outcomes or 3 outcomes
one of the outcomes in each case is that it lands on its edge. |
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Donny - fair point - you can have 10/11 if you like.
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