honda swindon

ffs

The usual morons will be along shortly with their ‘this is nothing to do with Brexit’ nonsense.

It's not just the 3,500 Honda jobs. It's the indirect effects of the money pumped into Swindon's economy as well, and those jobs.

Not to worry, it will all be worth it when we have our blue passports.

Very sad with all the other job losses,I believe you(UK) could have had brexit and with a smidgeon of common sense safe guarded a lot of them jobs,instead your internal politics have dragged your country down fecklessly.
Shame on your politicians,just over a month to go and ye are still torn asunder,the people are being failed badly.

54% of Swindon voted leave. I imagine a good number of lads in the Honda factory also did. Quite tragic really.

Japan and the EU have just signed a trade deal a one better than the EU are offering the UK.
Honda will now just make civics in Japan lets not forget their only reason for making cars in the UK was gain free access to the EU.
They will just use Brexit as an excuse

The Japanese  ,unlike the British are not stupid , they look after themselves
Plus they’ve got a trade deal with the EU without freedom of movement
So shut up remainers

This factory makes the Honda Civic. The Civic in the Chinese market outsold the European market 5 to 1. I guess that is the market they will be investing in.

Tariff-free access to the EU was not the only reason. It also saves on shipping costs. Now Japan has just signed for tariff-free access.

But here is the reason for closure: because of Brexit, we will (probably) lose access to Europe.

Lfc is correct, Japan don't have to blindly accept criminals and terrorists in their own country to get the deal.

More and more middle class will be heading to foodbanks. And they can walk. Less polluting cars the better.

Most devastating closure in Swindon since Wernham Hogg.

3500 people are to lose their jobs and LFC blames remainers.

What a sick and troubled little man.

Thought wernham hogg was slough

Slough incorporated the Swindon branch.

May has placed us in an unprepared and uncertain position to encourage this kind of decision shirley. It will strengthen her chance of tying us to the EU.

sorry Eboue that’s a Japanese car company , they should be employing Japanese people imo., I’m sure the Japanese employees will agree
In any event it’s for the Japanese company to decide  , not you
so pipe down

Let’s put it this way to make it simple for you Eboue , if it was you that was employed in that Japanese car plant and the Japanese factory was to close down and move back to Tokyo and you lost your job and  a Japanese person was employed in your place , in that Japanese car factory
Why should it concern me again ?

That I should imagine is the last we will hear from that clown Eboue

Ebue is happy to have us live in a third world country as long as we have
more money to spend

Eboue should take a little lesson from the Japanese and how they go about things , and that doesn’t include freedom of movement or allowing mass immigration to undermine their own society thankyou
They’re not that stupid

Lol at the remoaner jumping on this before any announcement has been made and calling others morons.

So lets look at this logically. They apparently won't be ramping down production until at least 2021. If they waited a month or so any uncertainty they have could go and there may be no issues at all with continuing to trade with the EU. So why rush any announcement then on such a long lead time to being enacted on such a substantial issue if it may well remain situation normal? This implies Brexit may not be the issue. They are NOT moving to create a plant WITHIN the UK. BUT, as mentioned above, Japan now has a free trade deal with the EU so now it's not relevant at all to them if they remain in the EU or not, remaining in the EU is irrelevant as they can consolidate production back at home. Which will no doubt have efficiency benefits and gives them the benefit of being closer to the huge chinese market.

But remoaners desperately want to blame Brexit, where for at least two very solid reasons above, that doesn't make sense. And they have the cheek to call others morons.

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*They are NOT moving to create a plant WITHIN the EU.

LFC, he hasn't to this point blamed the Irish,Remainers,BBC,the weather or whatever,might simply be concerned that one ineptude by your politicians is actually getting trumped a few hours after by a bigger one?
I know you think Mrs May is the bees knees but unless some rabbit comes out of the hat soon(whch i doubt),it couldn't have been played worse.(phantom ferries,trade deals bye bye,Novembers agreement,politicians ducking and diving with only themselves as an interest.)

It would be enlightening to have an article in the news analysing how many jobs are being lost in the car industry due to the regulatory changes coming from Brussels.

nonsense pa lapsy , i haven’t blamed anyone
That was Eboue , he’s like that

Not enough bait LFC.

@ Saddo,you explained what was happening in where you lived to me and it shocked me,i understand what you are saying,a worst case scenario though is things are going to get a lot worse if a bad recession occurs, i hope i'm way out. Ireland is following that path with the 2040 plan and a few years behind only.

I'd rather be skint in England than rich in a third world **** any day. Pa lapsy.

.*shytehole

You were always a very sensible poster,i can totally understand that.

Interesting, Honda have made absolutely no announcements on this, it has been "leaked". Who leaked it?

BBC, as you'd expect, using it for their customary Brexit bashing.

The BBC are there to report on important stories, such as 3500 British workers losing their jobs. They've told their viewers about it, written stories about it on their website.

How the hell is that Brexit bashing?

They are literally reporting what's happening. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less relevant.

The paranoid minds of the brexiteers - nothing is their fault, it's the blasted BBC's biased reporting.

You couldn't make it up.

You obviously didn't just watch the extended bit of opinionated Brexit bashing by one of the BBCs brexit bashers in chief.
Sometimes it's better to just shut your mouth instead of showing ignorance.

You've voted for Brexit, company announces 3,500 job losses, you blame the BBC.

And I'm the ignorant one?

Yes, you cannot comprehend or follow simple English. Your attempt above to say I am blaming the BBC is either an attempt at a very clumsy strawman or that, and I believe it to be the former, given your posting history.

And why shouldn't they bash Brexit?

Companies are leaving in their droves, our manufacturing industry will be destroyed, nations all over the world are laughing at us.

Oh and Brexiteers like Jacob Rees Mogg are moving their assets to Ireland, to enjoy the benefits of EU membership.

If you were stupid enough to vote for something that will cripple our economy and can't see what a monumental mess you've caused, then I really can't help you.

Maybe go to an evening class and learn economics, or buy a copy of trade deals for dummies. You should learn something.

You are very angry and apparently a poor loser, that's all. Quite understandable.

I honestly have no problem with people who voted for Brexit to reduce immigration. Fair play for being honest.

What I do have a problem with are the special type of idiots who claim we will be better off economically outside the EU. It's laughable, and the people saying it should never be allowed out in public unaccompanied, for their own safety.

Poor loser?

The poor losers are the lads in Swindon losing their jobs.

Had the government made serious efforts to ready the country we'd have eased away much more smoothly, this debacle is costly and deliberate imo.

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utter deluded nonsense

Brexit is destroying British manufacturing before our very eyes.

as predicted

broken by the sky bloke clyne, mp confirmed it he and the government new about it.but was supposed to be announced tomorrow, been there myelf and its absolutely disgusting that the workforce arnt the 1st to no, no company is big enough not to treat their workers properly and with dignity, foooking shocking

FFS they were going to tell people properly tommorow but someone leaks it to the media, but to you it's the companies fault and they are mistreating the employees?

Listen to yourself and try and join the dots.....

Anyone that thinks that the travails of the car industry is solely the result of brexit is guilty of very lazy thinking

brexit has made this country the weakest link in multi-national production and we are seeing the consequences.

There is no weak link for the Japanese , now unless you learn that little lesson then we will continue to become poorer and less secure
Which is what has been happening for the working and middle classes in Britain and Europe over the last few decades , increasingly so
So stop the crocodile tears , that’s what has been happening and that’s why Brexit happened

This is a Japanese company , they will decide what is best for them and their workers
Guess what ? That means Japanese workers not British workers , that’s how it is

They don’t give two hoots about Britain or British workers , remember that
And learn from it

Been a car fan all my life mostley a British car fan so you know how painfull that has been over the last 40 plus years.
I have said this before not just on this forum but on many others in all my life of watching the global car industry I cannot think of a worse time to be in the car industry the problems they face in my opionion arw insermountable, every thing from everomental pressure to customer apathy, change in tech and traction to greater automation and AI.
I have said this before but few if any of the current car companies will be in the car business in 10 years time, they are geared up to sell cars by the million but if future predictions are even a frationly correct then the world wide market for cars will contract. Any contraction will spell doom for at least one or two car companies.
I loved what Honda has done engineering wise but their good days are now behind them sadly I think they will be one of the first to fail, they will continue in some form or other but they are not the company they were.

Fair Points Mac ,as for the Other Regular Seething types , I should like to point out we are still in Europe  BREXIT HAS NOT HAPPENED ,or have I missed something ?

We are turning a corner and change is upon us things that word today wont work tomorrow. Up until now trading between each other was the only way to succeed but not with AI and the level of automated tech that is here even now, this way belongs to yesterday.
We need and are capable of becoming selfficent. A difficult concept to grasp right now but the only one with a sustainable future imo

"We are turning a corner and change is upon us things that word today wont work tomorrow".
Spot on mac, the trouble is too many (most) are looking in their rear view mirrors and not where they are going.

I thought she was very good in Dr Strange.

No doubt that all the politicos bemoaning closure of car plants are the same ones encouraging greater use of rail and other forms of transport.

JC seems more upset about journalists being good at their job and getting a scoop than yet another business turning it's back on Britain.

Factory in Turkey also to close
Honda must be very haprehensive a out the future, they know global sales are going to tumble harsh times ahead for the whole of the industry the bigger you are the worse things will be

The usual morons will be along shortly with their ‘this is nothing to do with Brexit’ nonsense.


I guess this would include Honda's most senior executive in Europe?   He has confirmed this is NOT a Brexit related issue.


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https://order-order.com/2019/02/19/honda-not-brexit-related-issue/

PorcupineorPineapple • February 19, 2019 8:09 AM GMT
JC seems more upset about journalists being good at their job and getting a scoop than yet another business turning it's back on Britain.
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No I'm not and I'm very obviously (to any reasonable person) not. Are ANY of the lefties here capable of basic English comprehension or not producing a series of stupid strawmen?

Otoh in Japan, it is seen as a Brexit-related issue even while quoting Honda's denial.

The plan had been to start producing new Civic models at the U.K. factory from the early 2020s. But as the prospects of a no-deal Brexit grew, Britain's viability as an export base became less certain. By closing the factory, Honda aims to improve earnings in its European operations.

A no-deal divorce from the market would instantly impose a 10% tariff on cars traded between the U.K. and the Continent, and customs clearance processes would once again become necessary, throwing intricate supply chains into disarray. For ultimate production efficiency, auto plants in the U.K. now store enough parts for just hours of production. More than a thousand trucks a day cross the Dover Strait.

Honda will maintain its European headquarters, Honda Motor Europe, in the U.K. after Brexit. While denying that Brexit is a factor in the latest decision, Hachigo acknowledged that it is creating uncertainty for the company's U.K. production. "The biggest risk is a disruption in parts supply," he said.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Honda-to-shut-UK-plant-by-2022-in-another-Brexit-retreat

More from that link:

Worries have driven Nissan Motor to scrap plans for producing a mainstay sport utility vehicle's next model at a British facility, while Toyota Motor is considering a temporary halt to factory work in the event of a no-deal Brexit. Toyota ships roughly 90% of vehicles produced in the U.K. to Europe, while the figure is roughly 60% for Nissan, according to LMC Automotive.

BMW is considering shifting a portion of output at an Oxford plant to the Netherlands, and media reports say Ford Motor is weighing ending engine production in the U.K.

Other international companies, including Japanese electronics makers Panasonic and Sony, plan to relocate certain British operations to the European mainland.

I thought all the usual loons in business and commons were saying the uk would be world leaders in green,electric cars,honda says non
wherever these electric cars are built where,s the expanding population who are prepared to pay 25 grand plus for an electric car and do the uk government still give you 5 grand towards an electric car
I think the real reasons for the decline in the car market is people financed to the hilt on never,never,leased bought cars during the last 5 years,which doesn't suggest people are ready to pile into 25 grand electric cars

You don’t seem to understand , there is no need for Japan to have a car plant in Britain , they have just signed a free trade agreement with the EU

so were not going to be the centre,capital of the worlds electric car market
just asking as that's what we were told

Now of course that is not a good thing for the European car manufacturers in Germany and France and Spain ...
silly fools

If honda want to produce more green cars, can't they just go down to halfords and stock up on tins of the appropriate paint?

Japan can now enjoy near frictionless trade with one of its biggest markets without having to locate there
It makes sense to bring production back to Japan

Now this free trade decision was taken by EU , it was taken whether Britain. was in or not in the EU
That’s the reality

still don't get it
government ,big business were chasing zero tariffs trade deals in or out of japan, at the  same time as saying we,re geared up to be the worlds leading manufacture of green transport and electric cars, knowing the trade deals they and the EU are seeking hurts the 2nd aim

FFS free trade deal with Japan.
British plumbers are finally managing to stop getting undercut by eastern european plumbers, now they'll have the Mario Brothers coming over and taking their jobs.

Most people don't know the big picture. The demand for new cars in US and western countries has been kept going for many years by extending loan periods low interest rates and car sales firms borrowing to keep afloat on tiny margins. There is massive over production. Nearly all car production in the UK will cease in the next couple of years imo.

Brussels is jeopardising car manufacturing all over Europe with this deal,it seems to be getting lost in the maelstrom of claim and counter claim that politicians and media wallow in Brexit. I wonder which official is benefiting from this deal,reminds me of Mandelsson relaxing aluminium tariffs for the benefit of Russian oligarchs when he was EU commissioner.What job does he do now ?

Another plant to close this time in Brazil Ford trucks, Ford to stop selling trucks in South America.
Seems to me that at a very high level the auto industry and world governments are planning for a very different style of transportation for the future.
The piston engine is dead no attempt seems to being made to use alternative cleener fuels.
Another thing to consider is how will the taxation on today's fuel be collected in the future?
Expect a big increase else where

Now that it’s been generally agreed that the motor industry’s problems have little relation to brexit will eboue be man enough to come on & apologise for his moron comment.

barrow - Honda have 4 plants in Europe. Swindon, Turkey and 2 in Belgium. 2 are closing and 2 are remaining open.

For 5 points, can you tell what is the difference in location between those closing and not?

2 actual plants in Belgium?

I thought the location in Ghent just run European logistics and the other one in Aalst just made parts.

How long will the plants one last if their if no actual production left in Europe?

* parts.

The plant in Belgium started life as a motorbike factory but sales of motorbikes in Europe are tiny

Do I get any points for pointing out that the Ghent address is purely a storage plant no production,whilst the aaist plant is as IT points out purely parts which will undoubtedly be under threat but since it’s been there since the early sixties & was hondas first unit outside Japan it may hold a little sentimental value.if Honda were moving car assembly to the eu then I would hold my hands up,but they’re not so accept it’s not a brexit issue

So this multi national brand that's just announced two plants closing, ending thousands of jobs is keeping a Belgian plant open for sentimental reasons.


You boys crack me up.

You claimed they had two plants in Belgium. They don't and never had.

Deal, no deal or no Brexit due at the end of March. If the decision was over Brexit why announce now and not wait another 5 weeks to see how the land lies?

I see Porcupine is continuing with the lies and strawmen strategy. I don't think he understands how stupid it makes him look..

in event of no deal fox,s department just announced there,ll be no trade deals signed with japan or turkey by march and japan want to start a fresh about talks since they've just signed ftd with EU, wto tariffs with uk or free access to 27 countries in the EU its another toughie ,
no deal no problemo