climate change school strikes

Feb 15, 2019 -- 7:22PM, saddo wrote:

No children should be propagandised with the politics of their teachers, whatever age.

So are you saying that climate change isn't happening?

So you're saying that we are all lobsters?

I have no idea what that means JC.

what did that head teacher say
we,ve done our job if kids leave school not supporting tory,s,

Feb 15, 2019 -- 7:11PM, Injera wrote:

Knife crime is worth protesting about. That would be admirable.CM? Locally yes. Internationally, no. 71% of Earth is water. Then there's desert, forests and err, Australia (90% uninhabitable).People aren't THAT influential on the climate. But if you're a kid at school you'll believe the lies the teachers spout.

Jesus mothercoitussing Christ

In the infamous Cathy Newman vs Jordan Peterson interview, he sits there saying something calm and sensible, and Cathy Newman would take it and stretch it and extend it to the most ridiculous degree, obviously NOT what he meant at all, in attempt at ridiculing his argument, and she'd prefix it with "so you're saying.. " One of them was to do with lobsters, as he talked a bit about how the social and hierarchy part of the human brain is so old and so general, it goes back to animals as primitive as lobsters.

It was so bad it generated a huge pile of memes, some here:
https://medium.com/@stianchrister/24-memes-that-sum-up-jordan-peterson-vs-cathy-newman-7c7b9229f2f

JC
I can understand that.

I still can't make your point to my post though. A simple explanation would help.

Nothing more to see than a bunch of spoilt brats skiving off school for the day.

I said the pupils (primary) were being indoctrinated with left wing views (which they blatantly were).
You quibled the actual age.
Saddo said :"No children should be propagandised with the politics of their teachers, whatever age."
You said, quoting the above: "So are you saying that climate change isn't happening?".

I rest my case. Your logic and flow of argument was cathy newman like. In fact so bad, next thing you know you'll be saying climate change is deliberately caused by space lizard semites who caused 9/11!

Climate Change locally - absolutely yes.

On an international level where only 29% of the world is land and far less is industrialised? Not for me.

Climate Change Denial is now second only to Holocaust Denial

I find it sad that teachers are abusing their position, kids only know what they are taught by teachers at their young age.

It is a form of abuse imo, certainly of their position if not the children.

Common Purpose indoctrination

JC
You're saying the primary age pupils were being indoctrinated with left wing views? What evidence is there for this?

Saddo said "They are being taught one side of the argument on climate change, propaganda." and No children should be propagandised with the politics of their teachers, whatever age. So I asked if climate change was happening.

You said: I rest my case. Your logic and flow of argument was cathy newman like. In fact so bad, next thing you know you'll be saying climate change is deliberately caused by space lizard semites who caused 9/11! LaughWhoops


My flow of argument was logical yours was deliberately missing part of the argument so was misleading and incorrect.

What is denied is the effect that man has on climate change.

So the question ''do you believe in climate change?'' is the wrong question.

The Corbyn brothers are polar opposites on this matter. I suspect that one of em knows an awful lot about it and the other one not much more than I do.

It's not CC though is it. That's not what they're protesting about. It's man made CC.

CC happens every year. It's natural for a globe rotating at 1000 miles an hour on the outskirts of the Galaxy, 90m miles from the sun to have variations in weather....

I don't believe anyone in their right mind would deny that man is having an adverse affect on climate change. So you're excused Crippen.

Look out, Charlie's got his arse in his hand again.

Charlie • February 15, 2019 8:38 PM GMT
I don't believe anyone in their right mind would deny that man is having an adverse affect on climate change.

Charlie , this is chit-chat . Hardly any of us in here are in our right mind

Locally I agree Charlie. We can see that all the time. Housebuilding for example.

Look at Africa though. They've yet to have an industrial revolution. Are we to believe activity on other continents is changing their weather patterns?

Climate change varies throughout the years and centuries and millennia. Certain aspects of climate change are, unfortunately, speeding up as a result of man. Global warming is a real phenomenon not a made up thing. You'll be telling me next that plastic pollution isn't a problem.

Good stuff from Charlie, our residence science correspondent whose previous job was a bricklayer.

The biggest affect on climate is over population, but no one from the left wants to discuss that.

Global Warming is a term that's largely been ditched baecause of heavy snowfalls and other cold weather. CC encompasses all weather patterns.

Plastic is a problem, especially harmful to sealife. But it's the dumping of it rather than the product itself that's the concern.

There were no factories or farming of animals the last time we had huge climate change.

'resident'

It's a common problem here to conclude it's a form of zero sum game: The climate changes by itself OR man can change it.
Of course it's not a zero sum game and it's quite plausible, in fact it's obviously correct, that it could be (and I'd conclude IS) BOTH.
I.e. The climate changes by itself AND man can change it.

Injera I have no idea whether building houses has an effect on the weather. Deforestation does though. Depleting the ozone layer does. Killing off ecosystems does. There's lots more.

IS - migration also.

Most CC protestors will probably be globalists who want open borders. They'll also want our green and pleasant land to be concreted over. How do they square that circle?

Feb 15, 2019 -- 8:46PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:

The biggest affect on climate is over population, but no one from the left wants to discuss that.

Things like the anti-consumerist degrowth ideas are primarily promoted by the left.

Feb 15, 2019 -- 8:48PM, Just Checking wrote:

It's a common problem here to conclude it's a form of zero sum game: The climate changes by itself OR man can change it.Of course it's not a zero sum game and it's quite plausible, in fact it's obviously correct, that it could be (and I'd conclude IS) BOTH.I.e. The climate changes by itself AND man can change it.

I notice you didn't answer my post. It's not a zero sum game as nobody wins and loses in equal amounts. The problem which you seem to miss, or be avoiding, is that man is bringing on a major change in the climate over the whole world.

Feb 15, 2019 -- 8:49PM, Injera wrote:

IS - migration also.Most CC protestors will probably be globalists who want open borders. They'll also want our green and pleasant land to be concreted over. How do they square that circle?

Injera
That is one of the most complete and utter bollocks of any post on any thread on any forum in any parallel world ever.

Charlie - towns and cities, even rural housing estates are warmer places. Less air flow, heat bouncing off concrete, tarmac and brick.

The more we build the more we affect wildlife. We disrupt the routes birds and insects travel.

All new homes have tiny or no gardens. Water not harvested via ditches and streams. Not used for irrigation. It just goes into the drains and out to sea.

When did you last see a farmer ditching anywhere close to a town?

" The problem which you seem to miss, or be avoiding, is that man is bringing on a major change in the climate over the whole world"
Where the **** did I miss or avoid this?

So CC protestors don't wave Socialist banners calling for revolution, open borders, unlimited housing etc etc?

Oh ok...

A lot of people are making piles of money out of green manufacturing.
Look for the money and the answer won't be far away.

And as the predictions fall by the wayside, the day of reckoning gets pushed further and further into the future.
So as the ones with egg on their faces die, they're quickly replaced by more harbingers of doom who tirelessly keep the show on the road.

It just needs enough people like Charlie to fall for the bullshine.

Injera
I'd imagine most CC protesters want just the opposite: no concrete, less building on green sites, less disruption to natural wildlife habitat, etc. I am seriously missing your point.

I think you have a desire to belittle genuine protesters and label them "leftists". Are you really saying that?

JC
It's getting a bit convoluted now. You know my stance as I've clearly and unambiguously stated it. What's yours? Are you saying that man is not adding to global warming/climate change?

Today's demo saw the Socialist Workers Party front and centre. They want unlimited free movement across the world. That equals unlimited house building.

I'm not insulting anyone. Compare my language with yours and edy's. I'm making my case. It's my view. It's chit chat....

Using school children for political and propaganda purposes is as low as you can get. I don't blame the kids, they're only parroting what the teachers, parents and main stream propaganda tell them.

Injera
I haven't seen any Socialist Workers Party (I haven't seen any kids protesting though!). To jump from free movement of people to denying climate change is a leap too far. There is no logical connection.

Feb 15, 2019 -- 9:09PM, Get me a drink wrote:

Using school children for political and propaganda purposes is as low as you can get. I don't blame the kids, they're only parroting what the teachers, parents and main stream propaganda tell them.

Ain't much left after teachers and parents. So what do you really mean?

Get 'em when they're young and they'll believe anything.

Which is how religion's survived for thousands of years.

I believe we do. I said :
"it's quite plausible, in fact it's obviously correct, that it could be (and I'd conclude IS) BOTH.
I.e. The climate changes by itself AND man can change it."

The extent is debatable of course but I believe we can and do. My problem is the hysteria, and the green parties are now basically packed with marxists idiots using "the environment" as a feel good cloak to try and get power.

The sensible thing to do would be to take obvious reasonable steps to try and prevent CC but do a cost/balance on each measure, (don't do something thta will hurt you a lot for little change to meet an arbitrary target) while at the same time advancing technology so we don't need to rely on fossil fuels anyway. E.g. I'm a believer in nuclear power. Got to have SOME energy source to power the G5 death rays

Obviously not true Crippen. Somebody got you young and never educated you.

Is Charlie stupid or trying to defend his allegiance.

Charlie - I don't deny localised man made CC.

As for the Socialists - they're position is often hypocritical and that's the point I'm trying and failing to make. They want Govts and business to reduce C02 omissions (the very gas plants and trees need to survive).

Meanwhile they want to have open borders leading to mass migration increasing demand for houses schools, roads, plastics etc. All of which increases the carbon footprint in the UK and changes local climates.

Get me a drink
15 Feb 19 21:09
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Using school children for political and propaganda purposes is as low as you can get. I don't blame the kids, they're only parroting what the teachers, parents and main stream propaganda tell them.

That applies to all of us I am afraid.

Anyway if there is anything in it...then the children are

the ones that are going to experience it...

Us oldies who caused it will be long dead.

This is one for scientists...at the moment they do not agree

and we will run out of Fossil fuels at some point?

There's quite a few arguments and sub-plots going on here which I'm struggling to get my head around. But I'll try and sum up before I retire for the night. The last few posts have been agreeing that global warming/climate change is a problem. Man isn't helping with this.

The main problem is to do with politics with Marxists, Socialists and the Green Parties all indoctrinating our children with misconceived and devious plans.

Chic Chat really is a mysterious place.

Good night.

Obviously not true Crippen. Somebody got you young and never educated you.

Well that's simply abuse Charlie.

Are you trying to replace STUDYFORM as the most abusive poster on the forum?

Just as I come back he runs off.

are these the same teachers convincing these kids they,ll be on 70,000 a year and own their own home by the age of 30, wouldn't like to be in them teachers shoes in 20 years time when the sed same kids come looking for them

I don't think kids these days take much notice of anybody.

The majority were there simply for the day off if the truth's known.

[x] be part of approved "virtuous" action
[x] take selfie
[x] put selfie on social media
[x] virtue signalled
[x] go home

They grow up so fast.

The majority were there simply for the day off if the truth's known.

That sounds feasible Dr C

There is the Paris World Climate Agreement.

We encourage people to use less energy.

It is more than just a left or right issue.

The truth is nobody knows anything for certain,

but there is a general concern over our use of hydro carbons?

Wtf is all this nonsense about?

Just seen it on the news.  WALOFS

It's 1/2 term up here.
Next week in England?

I wander how many of these protesting children would give up all their modern trappings and go and live in a wattle and daub hut or something. Central heating, electricity, transport, mass produced goods. It's the modern lifestyle that's given rise to Man Made Climate Change (if such a thing exists)

Which makes these protests nothing more than hippo critical nonsense. An empty gesture.

Well that is true to an extent..get me a drink

But we are going to have to do it long term, sometime?

Hydro Carbons are not going to last forever

I know none of us wants to give up all our modern gadgets


But one day we may have to. we need to think about it


just my own opinion

I wonder how many of these kids or their mentors have given up eating meat?

That's the first question I'd put to them, strangely despite all the air time they were given I never heard it mentioned.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/dec/03/eating-less-meat-curb-climate-change

walking,dumping burgers, dumping phones would be 3 things they could all do if they really wanted to help, but 100% of them would tell you to foook off

and by the way there wasn't a kid their yesterday all yummy mummy types primed,programmed to within an inch of their lives

and if kids bothered to educate themselves they,d no theres millions of older generation  who use public transport, don't spent all their lives in takeways,dont have to have the latest electrical gadget, go to great lengths smart metres,water metres,to cut down their energy use,never set foot on an aeroplane ,and have a carbon  footprint these snotty little upstarts could only dream of,
and the worst thing about yesterday not one single adult[maybe one on sky ],had the balls to stand up to these middle class snowflakes and bent over like subservient waifs,without even attempting to educate them about industry,jobs, households,rely on a continuation of fosil fuels for decades to come

Yesterdays kindergarden protest is todays massive carbon footprint

he,s your average kid not yesterdays snowflakes proxy opinion
moaning about banning phones,lecky gadgets in school
moaning about parents trying to cut down screen time on lecky gadgets at home
moaning about parents trying to get them outside playing sports
moaning because mmuumy/daddy wont get the Chelsea tractor out to take them half a mile to school gates
moaning because mummy/daddy doesn't agree that family car is a taxi
moaning about parents trying to get them to eat home cooked food,5 a day at home,istead of giving them a tenner for a takeawy, burger etc
moaning about not getting 4/6 flights a year to sunspots like little johnny next year,
moaning because daddy has to spend 70 hrs a week in oil,steel,power industry to provide all the things above ,so they can moan about them

jezuz these kids have really put a bug up a lot of yer @rses.
good job kids

these kids are complaining about society, yet taking part in it

really makes you think...

What a bizarre post, how do kids not partake in society?

The thread just seems to have turned into we hate kids diatribe.

Charlie • February 16, 2019 5:16 PM GMT
The thread just seems to have turned into we hate kids diatribe............................... Not difficult to dislike these kids

Why?

Charlie - You're conversing with someone who wears the attire of the 'Child catcher' from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

Never seen it but Child Catcher sounds scary.

I am scary

how dare they worry about their future, little brats.
also all they ever do is play on their phones and just
don't care about the real world, except when they do.
then they are a disgrace.

the parents are horrible as well

yeah, i don't know them but yeah

Can't be bothered reading the thread as I found the whole thing pathetic.
And politicians praising them for playing truant beggars belief.
Might take them serious if they did it on a Saturday and also refused a lift to school and walked.

We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day, so let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day, just you and me

sing it with me aka, keeping it time will be awkward but how we feel is all that matters.

Little children should be seen and not heard.
That's the first thing they should be taught.
Never been the same since they stopped giving the strap.
Bet the wee feckers wouldn't be so brave if the strap was still on the go.

you must be a Scot. The strap was a good way of getting out of detention.
i got the belt a lot in early school years. never after 15, it was tried but
i wasn't having it, plus i had a march to got to

We had a teacher that made you put your hands up with the knuckles showing. Was much more painful that way.
Nobody rebelled and just took it although I did hear a story after I left that one of the pupils punched him.

fairly sure that was illegal but so was our insane PE teacher taking a jump at it. insane & luckily not me.
i would never punch a teacher, in school, but we came to an understanding that my days of the strap were
over.
did you get the belt in primary? in retrospect that seemed unnecessary. i got the strap a few times but why?
i'm suing the council for PTSD

It was a PE teacher I was talking about as well.
Nothing happened to the pupil so the teacher probably knew he was on thin ground.
At our primary only the head teacher could give the strap but I can't remember anyone getting it.

kid in my school cut his hand really badly in metal work. hospital, stitched up
many weeks later out the blue he gets called up to the front of the class
with no explanation and belted 3 times on the same hand, not the injured one.
his folks kicked up merry hell but the tech teacher insisted it was a way of
ensuring those accidents don't happen again.
to be fair the teacher that did it got the bullet and was questioned by the police.
that must have been when PC culture started. skin em alive i say

we got the strap at our all girls school.i had the the pleasure twice of 4 thrashes 2 on each palm.

not on the bottom ?  : (

Ludicrous to think that any boy worried about getting the cane , if the schoolboy misbehaved , as all boys should from time to time , it was a sign that the boy was normal that’s all

It’s certainly not normal behaviour for any schoolboy to be going on these sort of marches
something not right about boys like that

no not on the bottomwe did not not have to bend over at that early age.that came later after school day ended

: )

how interesting , that lovely things like women’s bottoms exist
Is a lovely thought

can you imagine as a parent how ashamed you would feel to see your son on one of these protests ?
not so bad for girls I suppose, but still pretty sickening

somehow it’s difficult for any parent , not only fathers but probably subconsciously mothers as well to think to themselves ,
there’s something not right about that boy

not really biting today are they lfc. i admire your persistence tho

heard the newspaper reviewer on sky last night say although his 2yr old daughter loved pepa pig,he,s banned dvd,s and pepa tv cartons from their house, what a coooont I,d smash his face in
but no doubt by the times she,s 7 she,ll be well versed in climate change propaganda and transgender issues,
hope the girl grows up to hate the stupid cooont

Peppa Pig wouldn't condone smashing someone else's face in.