Yes but blaming "remainers" is just a cop out. What have the remainers really done. Stop May's deal that the majority of leavers don't support, so they've done you a favour if anything. If it wasn't for them May would have been able to do what she likes and we'd have been stuck with her bodge job.

The leavers don't even unite under the same banner, a big problem in itself.

'Uniting under a banner' seems to be an issue for all parties - just look at the atomised responses we've found ourselves at right now.

Like I said, I agree with you regarding the sideline quarterbacking of the Leavers. Unfortunately, that leaves people like me with nowhere to go, with nothing tangible, to get behind.

For the record,  I can talk about the kind of country we want, post-Brexit, with anyone.

Brexit (in whatever form it takes) is in itself, an irrelevancy. What our politicians do with it, in the long term, now theres the issue! There's something worth discussing! There's something we can all unite around one hopes. Common values such as opportunity for all, fairness, democracy, my vote counting as much as your vote, reward for effort, playing by the rules and plenty more we can doubtless all think of.

No side in this Brexit (non) debate have a monopoly on how to achieve these ideals - but I hope they are ideals the majority can coalesce around and work towards within the prism of whatever Brexit gets foisted on us, and leave behind the hotheads who just want their 'side' to 'win'.

Basically, there's plenty of work to do on our MP's post-Brexit - in fact there's a whole world to be won if we can all get over ourselves.

Now Mr Eboue, why is patriotism such an issue for you? I'm sure you realise that the endgame of the EU is a supra-national state (no hyperbole, that is their raison d'etra and the direection of travel ever since its inception). It has it's own executive, legislature, fiscal and economic policy......it's more than just hot air now that an armed forces is coming, never mind irrelevancies such as a national anthem and a flag.

This is what you've signed up for and if that floats your boat then that's cool but don't try and claim any great love for Mother Britain and patriotic endeavour behind your project because for me, you and everyone like you want to subsume the UK into the United States of Europe and it's that, not short term issues on 'The Deal' and whether the lettuces can get through, that should be what we are discussing.

^Come back with substance, not just talking sh*t.

If you think the UK will be better off standing alone you're in cuckoo land. The EU has a far stronger hand than the UK will have negotiating anything as it's a bigger market, isolationism and nationalism is how you get left behind.

The leave grand plan is even a direct contradiction to what they spout anyway, as their grand plan basically is we will in effect just become a vassal state of the US instead.

n88uk it clearly was / is an issue though!

You don't burn this much lean tissue and have this much angst over the cones hotline!

You're right, you have to bring the country with you because without that you have no legitimacy. It's called leadership and there's been precious little of that since the referendum from anyone.

We'll have to agree to differ re the fundamentals of Leave / Remain.

For me, we've done 'big' (I laugh when I seen Leavers characterised as hankering after 'old Empire'. The only Empire being built is the one with Brussells at its centre). I prefer nimble, small, local, streamlined, quality and technology driven (as far as the economy goes), driven by the best talent the world has to offer (as far as immigration goes) and able to respond to world events via our own democracy, close to its electorate (as far as sovereignty goes).

Like I've said, we can argue about the past two years and, to our national detriment, that's where the debate is stuck.

I just want someone....anyone...to articulate a post-Brexit vision of Britain that all bar the purist blowhards (from both sides) can get behind.

* to n88

How many leavers actually think Mays deal is a good deal? Because hardly any in parliament do, and that's my perception generally too. And it isn't a good deal either, it's an awful deal.

Build a new empire

Where are we going to invade? North Sentinel Island?

We referring to the UK, because you know I am British thus it's common to refer to your country as "we".

The one thing I fear is that we will not seize the opportunity of freedom from the eu straight jacket - look at our leadership in the westmonster bubble - they are going to be upset when the gravy train to brussels is cut off.

Reminds me of the Vogon Constructor Fleet creating a new hyperspaceway??  When the fleet arrives,  the earthlings are told the earth is being destroyed to make way for it, they ask how come and what notice was there??  The  notice had been hanging in a room in  some unpronounceable and distant planet for years and they should have known all about it  ha ha   

Did you approve of the Ukrainian adventure by the way.

I won't starve.  I will eat out every evening.   Drink all day in the local 'spoons'   it won't affect me.

Well, other than yappy little Laura Kuenssberg shouting across Downing St "Will you be resigning minister?" when the paper clip order for Whitehall is 10 short, I can't think of one

They shouldn't be allowed to get away with it but hey ho

Tell a lie Linekar is on the bottom of SKYs website feed saying

"we still want to be friends after Brexit"

Awwww bless

Linekar is such a doll

What happened to the snow bomb - it's all melted here in west london

In fact I might give a lecture on it as I am so arrogant and always right.