irish customs brexit solution

Jan 18, 2019 -- 12:39AM, Reynard wrote:

What if the sheep is found in Wales ? Most body fluids show up under ultra violet light so there could be some confusion

if its found in wales then its a fecking good swimmer

Free the Six IMO

^ when they vote for it yes , too difficult to understand ?

if its found in wales then its a fecking good swimmer

aaronh

The problem is everything that comes into N.Ireland has to through customs at some point

May would like this done between N.Ireland and the rest of the UK.

But DUP insist it is done on the border between the two Irelands, DUP see themselves as part of the UK, as

indeed N.Ireland is. They will not accept anything that threatens this.

thought part of the argument was about return to the troubles,whether its invisible or not is not the problem,only the fact that the border isconsidered as different if only in text,theory etc,=could be consideredas a reason,excuse for those who may be that way inclined to consider it a border and target it

I suppose I see that 1st time poster....not sure DP will

I remember the troubles, but that was because of discrimination against Catholics in the North, which we

stopped.


I would thought EU's own rules would insist evrything is checked at the border?

Do they accept both euros and stirling in NI when you pay for goods in shops?

Somalian Shilling accepted in all shops I hear !

I was there at the time for a while.

One would have thought The Battle of The Boyne and the Apprentice boys shutting the gates of Derry had happened

last week, not 300 years ago.

No Surrender.


So much hate on both sides

Maybe Ireland should join the UK....would solve the problem !

If they would learn to respect the democratic vote that would be a good start ( the loyalists are ok )

They have not forgotten the last time they were Leopard

The ROI have never been an independent country , stil aren’t and are still part of Britain

Let's hope they don't have to fight their way out of EU !

Every building that you see in Dublin or Belfast is technically British

Catholic Church has lost it's hold on Eire since 1916.....people are wising up !

There is no border between Ireland north or south and the U.K.
they have the full and automatic rights of British citizens
So they are not an independent country and never were , sorry

No one alive today can remember anything else

We don't want the b*mbings and murders to come back though....do we ?

But don’t be fooled by the Irish Republic
They are not a friend to Britain and we can see that with even the most recent events

If they have to make alliances , or decisions of any sort
they will side with any country almost any regime anywhere , against Britain

That’s just one reason why there should be no freedom of movement and no automatic right to live and work in Britain for Irish people

Let them go to Germany , or France or Poland , that’s fine
See how that works out

Will ya listen to lfc on the pub stool castigating Ireland for not being best buds with Britain.

Britain took over Ireland by force.
Britain committed genocide with the loss and flight of millions in the great famine.
Britain did it's utmost to stifle education and Irish heritage amonst the indigneous.

You should be down on your hands and knees lfc begging the Irish to forgive you.

I’m not worried about that sorry  , if that’s their attitude fine
Just more reason to remove the automatic right of living and working in Britain
Until their attitude improves

Pa lapsy - I suggest you do what most people are doing and block LFC.

He’s been exposed time and again for being a complete lunatic who doesn’t actually believe what he’s saying, he just enjoys the attention - hence why he comes out with the bile he does.

As well as being xenophobic, he’s also extremely stupid.

This all started with William the Conqueror invading Britain......Normans are the bad guys !

LFC wouldn’t dare come out with the stuff he types in public - someone would knock him out.

The fact is he’s such a coward the only enjoyment he gets in his pathetic life comes from throwing lies and xenophobia on here.

Tragic really.

I called him out on one of his blatant lies the other day. He simply refused to acknowledge his stupidity.

common sense

Thanks Mr Eboue, i'd prefer to put the other side of the story across rather than let wholesale bigotry and misplaced xenophobia go unchecked.

We hear quite enough of your side of the story pa lapsy
Thanks

Tenant farmers were told to plant potatoes only .....I heard somewhere ?

Lol

We will have to forgive and forget , what happened 200 years ago doesn’t bother me

I’ve even forgiven the Germans

You're too soft !

And what about your side of the story?
The usual no to Irish living in the UK?
OF course forget Del and Tel down in the Sol or Graham and Wayne on Coole mountain(with 6 figures also working and living in the Rep, with an expected 200k lookingfor a passport this year?
Yep, get Micheal O'Leary on the case, rather than a glib statement,you need a solution,come up with one.

Jan 18, 2019 -- 3:01PM, lfc1971 wrote:

That’s just one reason why there should be no freedom of movement and no automatic right to live and work in Britain for Irish people

But there is and you have to live with it. That arrangement pre-dates the EEC.

Must really grate you that the backstop is scuppering all this at the moment. Who'd have thought.

ok lapsy here’s one
Freedom of trade , but not freedom of movement of people into the U.K.
For the ROI , just like the rest of your European friends

There’s a solution ,hows that ?

German Secret Service blackmailed the monster Heath into taking us into EU.....it is postulated !

200 years doesn't matter,i suppose nearly a hundred doesn't either,except your chestnut of ireland and world wars are on every 2nd thread,the stench of hypocrisy.

You see there are very many solutions if the Irish were ameanable , and wanted to help Britain as it tries to leave the EU

But there are not being very helpful now are they ?

That’s something we can remember as well

You see that’s not history , that’s not 200 years ago I don’t care
That’s today , to my mind that’s more important sorry

So I suggest you stop crying about past lapsy , to me the present is more important

I'm not crying, you were the person that said historically Ireland and Britain hadn't great relations,you are quite content to point the finger at Ireland and totally ignore the root causes,seriously?

I couldn’t give two hoots about last relationions

I’m just pointing out you haven’t changed

You know you never said what you though t of my solution

You see that’s a problem we have today
Try to be helpful please

I'll tell ya the problem today.

It is never anyones fault,
certainly not your own,
blame someone else,


And that is you my friend,your politians have made a pigs ear of brexit but hey,
you are so far stuck up your own ar$$e you cant accept,

Yes, i will blame Ireland.

Slan.

There we go

Yep nailed it,you blame Ireland for your excuses of negotiators, how they laughed in Brussels in Sept,

we both know it.

you are arguing about the past and the present what about the future and the 70 million turks that are on their way after the 29th.

You have to understand history, to understand where we are now lfc1971

pa lapsy is right

Do you know why Ireland is split?

James 1st was responsible for this. He settled Scottish Protestants in Ireland to keep down the Catholics.

Unfortunately when we decided to give Ireland it's independance the descendants of those Scottish Protestants

decided they wanted to stay with Britain and were prepared to fight for it.


It has not not been the perfect solution, but it has had to do.

One day Ireland will join up again.

When religion becomes a little less important.

But it cannot be forced, the majority of those in the North have to vote for it.

You are right Brassneck, we have more recent immigrants to worry about than the Irish.

Ebul ,  sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof
That’s from the King James Bible ,
The Irish can thank us for that as well , cheers

plus history is bunk , that’s Henry Ford .
What happened 300 years ago doesn’t bother me , i insist on being unbothered by that

Indeed,"history is bunk",that is of course til you start banging on again about Ireland in the world wars,you will most certainly be very bothered by that.

pa lapsy di you agree with my views on the Irish free state during WW2, or do you think i an wrong ?

or do you think it is bunk ?

Which is it ? go ahead ....

It is history, therefore irrelevant and bunk according to your good self.

No I’m not asking what I think , I’m asking what you think

Go ahead ..

You ignored and dismissed the really important episodes of Irish history ie,plantations,famine etc,if your attitude to history is "bunk" or at best disingeniously selective,no point in giving my views on a very simple and agricultural Ireland during the world wars.

now we are not going to get very far if you can’t be honest

I was asking do to agree with my views on the Irish Free state during WW2, or do you think I am wrong

or do you think it is bunk ?

Which is it ? , go ahead ....

Haha, it doesn't matter what i think, you said history is bunk,i didn't

I didn’t say it Henry ford said it

Now let’s try again

I was asking do you agree with my views on the Irish free state during WW2, or do you think I am wrong

or do you think it is bunk ?

Go ahead ...

I was asking do you agree with my views on the Irish free state during WW2, or do you think I am wrong

You have not put your view up yet lfc19712, so it is difficult to agree or disagree?

The Irish Free State were neutral in WW11, they were neither for or against us.


From 1918 - 1921 Ireland was war with Britain, until in 1921 they were given their Independence and Ireland

was split. This was followed by another war between the Irish Free State and the IRA as to who was to rule

the newly independent South of Ireland.


Bearing this in mind it is not all that surprising that the Irish Free State did not wish to fight for us in

WW11. A lot of people still had memories of their war for independence, and had not forgotten the dreaded

Black & Tans. All Ireland fought and died for us in WW 1.


Men from Northern Ireland fought and died for us in WW11.


When  I read the history of Ireland I am shocked and ashamed they way Britain has treated Ireland throughout

their history, I would not blame them for disliking Britain.


It is sad because Ireland is a beautiful country. I would have retired to a bungalow in S. Ireland had my

life worked out as it should. Sky Sports is available there, we can bet there as we can here and they drink

Guinness which I like.


Sadly my life feel apart so I will die in this country, although I can still drink Guinness lool

Well let’s take a little look at your view of the Irish free state ebul

Your first sentence , the Irish free state we’re neutral in WW2 , they were neither for nor against us

How do you know they were neither for nor against us ?
All we know is that they refused to fight and help Britain
As we fought against the most evil and ruthless regime
So that’s what we do know .
And we know that they sent a letter of condolence to Berlin on Hitler’s death
Can you imagine , silly fools

That’s what we do know

Now that’s just your first sentence ebul
Sorry I’m not impressed so far

Won’t go any further than the first sentence ebul
But I can assure you would have to be careful what you said if you had moved to live in bungalow in s Ireland
And be careful to agree with their version of history , yes if things had gone that way

A letter?

Neville Chamberlain gave a part of Czechoslovakia to Hitler, his policy of appeasement in the 1938 Munich agreement was nothing short of staggering.
Policies which fuelled the nazis.

Pa lapsy Britain fought against the evil german Nazi regime
The ROI refused
Those are the facts

You see it’s very easy to stand on the sidelines and criticise

5000 Irish died in ww2,35,000 ww1 and many other thousands injured, it was a poor agricultural country at the time.

Very nice post btw Uble.

Very brave and good men, they did their duty

Now they fought as part of the British armed forces
See , it was Britain
Polish men fought as part of the British forces , many others
Be thankful and grateful to this great country

Britain fought , so that the ROI didn’t have to fight
Be thankful

Don't know why the irish can't sort their own border problem out.   tsk tsk!!!

Surely the Irish would've preferred a Hitler victory so they could get their 6 counties back.But I doubt that would be on the negotiation table as the tanks rolled into Dublin.

moisok the border is an imaginary border , it doesn’t exist , no more that the border between England and Scotland
And it will remain so no matter what trade or custom arrangements are necessary
They do not matter in the team world , except for those who want to create trouble

* in the real world

It is a real border alright,not created by the Irish btw.

By the way Ireland never voted to leave the union of Great Britain and Ireland
That’s another little historical fact

its all history , it doesn’t bother me what happened 100 years ago
I insist on being unbothered by that
The present is more important

To me that appears of greater value

I know lfc  I was just being a little minx

: ) well it’s best moisok not to be too serious and fingers crossed all will be ok in the end

We might need just a little help from our Irish friends , that would be nice

Let’s see ...

I hope they will , and they might
That lovely things like that can happen , is a lovely thought

MR VARK VADER is a very naughty boy

Well you are entitled to your opinion as all of us on here lfc1971

You say you have no interest in the past, but nevertheless it often leads to the present

by the laws of cause and effect.

I am the opposite I only care about the past, I do not like the present, which is why I live in the past, as

much as I am able...not having a time machine

Back to the 1950's would suit me...lots of greyhound tracks

I'm not too young but never had an "old" head, you only have the one chance Uble, i understand things seem simpler going back through  the years and they probably were,still... You can still head off in winter from here to the sun relatively cheaply,the general standrad of living is a lot better.

You will never get the amount of greyhound tracks again, different times,not such fond memories myself with the dogs and often remember skinnings from Romford in the 80's where i would be the only one that had the bus fare(for 86?) amongst the group of degenrative gamblers i hung around with.

I remember all the greyhounds tracks in London from the very late 60's on.

I loved them.

You are right pa lapsy life is far more comfortable than it has ever been. But I still seem to badly miss the

past.


Good history documentary...2 1/2 hours, about Elizabeth 1st.on channel 5 tonight

She was one of our greatest monarchs and extremely strong minded. She survived suitors who wanted to marry her

while her sister, Mary was still on the thread. Any agreement would have meant her own death. Through the

problems caused by Mary Queen of Scots, the Spanish Armada to the seriously deluded Earl of Essex who thought

he could replace her in her final years.

I think she did a little sad, old and lonely. But didn't she do well.


I wish I had been historian, another regret from the past.

What I love about it, it is as dramatic as fiction, but it is real.

Are you lot in the UK not embarrassed by the drivel this lfc lad spouts ffs

looking forward to another day on this thread of lfc soiling his pants at the existence of the Irish

I think lfc1971 lives in a very simple world...

Where everything is either black or white, and he cannot bear anyone to challenge this

Still maybe we are the only ones who ever hear, in fact read his opinions..


I hope one day he will learn something, but no luck so far

He has the democratic right to post,

lfc1971 does not understand that having had to fight a war with Britain to gain their independence

That it would then be difficult for them to fight for us.

But they did not fight against us in WW11 they were neutral.

Their shipping was bombed by both the axis and allied powers.


They probably gave us a little help...I think they realised how bad Hitler was.


Although I suspect there may have been the odd German spy over there, trying to ferret out information

about N.Ireland and the rest of Britain, in an attempt to guide in their bombers.


Also them declaring war on Germany would probably not have done a lot of good, when one looks at the weapons

the Germans had, and what Southern Ireland had


I have no trouble with Southern Ireland's role in WW11, because I understand it.