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Baphornet
17 Jan 19 11:06
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after a full days debate. Beam me up Loathsome!

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By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Jan 19 11:29
need to see terms on monday i think.

but ffs, theres not much changed, nor will it change.

we need some open minded thinking to sort out some way forward.
By:
1st time poster
When: 17 Jan 19 11:35
same deal with the assurance in words text from the EU they held back last week in the hope the DUP WILL swallow it,problem been after a 230 vote defet will EU GIVE ASSURANCES AND WILL BERCOW ALLOW THE NEW [same] deal be voted on again, all those going into see may  last night ,today talking about no deal off table,delay article 50,2nd reff have been taken for the absolute lemmings they are
By:
1st time poster
When: 17 Jan 19 11:35
same deal with the assurance in words text from the EU they held back last week in the hope the DUP WILL swallow it,problem been after a 230 vote defet will EU GIVE ASSURANCES AND WILL BERCOW ALLOW THE NEW [same] deal be voted on again, all those going into see may  last night ,today talking about no deal off table,delay article 50,2nd reff have been taken for the absolute lemmings they are
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Jan 19 11:43
bercow will allow the bill

but he may also accept an amendment to take no deal off the table...
By:
Baphornet
When: 17 Jan 19 12:18
there would be civil war if he did that, Donny
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Jan 19 12:40
not if it has cross party support

but we are getting into fantasy, even by todays standards
By:
Baphornet
When: 17 Jan 19 12:42
indeed
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 17 Jan 19 13:49
Scissors/paper/stone would appear to be the best way to break the impasse.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 17 Jan 19 13:54
Laugh mouse

Between now and the 29th May has to find a way to ensure this is passed.

She may have to remove some of her own backstops here, or think of a way to ensure enough support

to pass the Brexit deal into law..

I doubt the EU will give May any more than they have myself.
By:
1st time poster
When: 17 Jan 19 13:56
snap poll after mays heavy defeat saw a 12 point lead for remain, treason may better act fast before more polls show a growing agenda for 2nd reff,remain,delaying article 50 wont look good if polls begin to shift
By:
1st time poster
When: 17 Jan 19 13:57
snap poll after mays heavy defeat saw a 12 point lead for remain, treason may better act fast before more polls show a growing agenda for 2nd reff,remain,delaying article 50 wont look good if polls begin to shift
By:
Hanx
When: 17 Jan 19 13:57
he may have to remove some of her own backstops here, or think of a way to ensure enough support

I wonder if that would include no hard border with the republic of Ireland?

Of course, we've all run away with the notion that a few cameras and ANPR software between Newry and Dundalk is as good as ensuring a return to tube station bombings the next day, but ......
By:
1st time poster
When: 17 Jan 19 14:18
call me a cynic but you wouldn't no if those hell bent on bringing troubles back to Ireland would consider any infrastructure on the border as a red rag to a bull, and they,d have a token shoot up as a tradition,what PM ,Party is going to be held responsible for even one disturbance,the threat alone is enough
By:
1st time poster
When: 17 Jan 19 14:19
call me a cynic but you wouldn't no if those hell bent on bringing troubles back to Ireland would consider any infrastructure on the border as a red rag to a bull, and they,d have a token shoot up as a tradition,what PM ,Party is going to be held responsible for even one disturbance,the threat alone is enough
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Jan 19 14:52
it'll be the backstop/border stuff that gets it through we've kinda known this for months

They are making a show out of it before it gets through its as simple as that

Kiss goodbye to the human rights act etc in a few weeks by the looks of it, she's going to get this through and we all know who's to blame for it
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Jan 19 14:54
Lets just say this next vote fails as well then what?

There's no bloody way she can carry on after another failed vote, she'll try but even the most ardent conservative will have to concede enough is enough by then.
By:
Baphornet
When: 17 Jan 19 14:59
there are plenty of antonyms that could occur, 1st TP. If Corbyn had more brain cells than the average goat. He (& his advisors) could get very dirty & insidious at this very moment in time. There is an opportunity for him to force a split & maybe a GE if he were to clasp it
By:
Baphornet
When: 17 Jan 19 15:03
SS; part of me wants the government to give way on the backstop thus infuriating the DUP & losing their support. Bye bye Saint Theresa
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 17 Jan 19 15:05
Corbyn should be doing everything in his power to force that split

May is a joke and she deserves all she gets at this point, there's no way they can let her get this deal through

Labour cannot vote with this either, even if she relents on that they have to vote it down regardless, this evil woman cannot get this through
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 17 Jan 19 15:19
May won't negotiate with Corbyn...he is the enemy as far as she is concerned.


She will never get the DUP vote if she wants a border down the middle of the Irish Sea

I don't know if anyone remembers the Rev Ian Paisley, he was a member of DUP, and could never be described as

moderate.


If a wall has to be built in Ireland, so be it. May thinks it will lead to a return to the troubles in Ireland

I do not think it will.


If May cannot get support from somewhere to pass her deal. she might as well resign now.

Give someone else a go.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 17 Jan 19 15:27
May will NOT call an election, as there would be a very good chance of Corbyn winning, and we would get a 2nd

referendum.

If May cannot pass a deal on the 29th, a no deal Brexit now looks favourite to me.

Although I would not advise anyone betting on my opinion, looking at my betting a/c's latelySad
By:
1st time poster
When: 17 Jan 19 15:49
mp,s keep telling us they can pass bills ,motions etc which instruct the government to take no deal of the table well why the foook don't they get on with it and they can, why doesn't mrs may save them the time and bother and do it for them ,if that's going to be the eventual outcome and at least that's one less thing people can waffle on about day after day, as for the rest mrs may has a list
survival of this government
survival of the tory party
survival of mrs may
delivering Brexit,
any solutions have to fit into that timetable which means the dup hold the balance of power, if we take the EU at their word regards the backstop,seems to me the only way forward is to get the dup to live with a permanent customs union which solves the backstop
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Jan 19 17:21
There's no way no deal is favourite regardless of May's deal passing or losing, it will be taken off the table soon.
By:
Baphornet
When: 17 Jan 19 17:26
good; i hope you're right (sic)
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 17 Jan 19 22:18
to me the only way forward is to get the dup to live with a permanent customs union which solves the backstop

gl with that one 1st time poster
By:
Baphornet
When: 27 Jan 19 20:21
not long now lovely people; 10 days of inexorable waffle has passes & no one (well not in my world) has changed their minds. The Gov has done everything & dragged everyone out from under their cloisters to push the 'baby' up that Brussels protuberance, but will it work?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 27 Jan 19 20:25
Another failed vote incoming?

2 failed votes for a total joke of a Prime Minister ffs

Will this get rid? will it heck
By:
Baphornet
When: 27 Jan 19 20:36
dribs & drabs, SS dribs & drabs. She will see any vote swing as a 'victory' & then will just give the leavers another boot down the road & order a 3rd vote
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 27 Jan 19 20:59
We are entering the stage where its another vote until I get what I want

What time is this vote penned in for ?
By:
Baphornet
When: 27 Jan 19 21:16
day of debate then vote about 7 i suppose
By:
brassneck
When: 27 Jan 19 22:06
"ORDER,ORDER,ORDER,THE AYES TO THE RIGHT 306,THE NOES TO THE LEFT 325,AND THE NOES HAVE IT,THE NOES HAVE IT"LaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
Baphornet
When: 28 Jan 19 18:29
JRM has woken up today & announce he won't support Bradys amendment
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