does anyone on here actually have a job

I'm a buoy I'm a buoy but my Ma won't admit it

uk coronation programme seller

Mahout

Is that an elephant man?

I am a ventriloquist on the radio

I'm a dodo pest controller

I have a job........















Getting up in the mornings

No job at the moment , but i feel confident that i will find one quite soon . I currently receive universal credit . I receive a payment of £317 per month , £200 of which , i give as my rent , to my 87 year old , Father , who i currently live with . Which leaves myself , from the UC montly payment , with £117 . With that money, i buy my own clothes , food , drink , and anything else that i need . Up until a month ago , in the last two years or so , i had not been to a pub , cinema , theatre , etc , I would buy myself , a 3 litre , £3.50p bottle of 3 hammers cider ,everyweek , to help get me through the week , it helped me to cope with my depression . At certain times i thought about taking my own life , but the thing that always stopped me doing that terrible thing , was the love i have for my father . The the cheap cider , p1ss , that i used to drink , helped me to cope .It's been a long way to myself finding hope but i feel i have that hope now , and as i said , i feel hopeful i'll find a job quite soon .

^ drinks the communion wine now.

Eh mouse , that stuff is tasty .

Being on Universal Credit is a job quite literally

Its called "work search", 40 hours a week searching the same jobs over and over again on various websites, reading the same the job pages in the newspaper, and looking for jobs on the same job board whilst in the job center each week.

And all those jobs.. about 25% are real and the rest are fake

True ,SontaranStratagem . What a great username you've got .

I'll start a thread , who has the best username .

Mine was born out of my 7 year old nieces love of the TV show, Culvin

couldn't think of a name and had been watching the David Tennant 2 parter the night before, hence the stupid name lol

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^ drinks the communion wine now.



mega88
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Professional gambler

I would like to think of myself as one as well mega88.
Unfortunately looking at my betting accounts lately....I would break the trade desciptions act

I would actually like a job....I would like to drive a bus

Unfortunately we need the bubonic plague back and I would need to survive it before anyone gave me a job


My age of course

I didn't know there was a show called that , Sontaran .

Lets face it , most of us on here are trying to make cash to avoid the **** rat race of routine crap jobs till pension age.. we are all looking for an edge on this damn site and some will die trying

I don't mind work; I just don't like being employed.

yes...probably of starvation wolf3011

I think I have an edge but it's bl00dy hard work.  I don't make a living from betting and am not planning to do so.

I sell red diesel out of a 45 gallon jack (stained red, for industrial uses) and a selection of imported tobacco products.

When one is twenty one thinks that they can be a professional gambler.

By thirty one realises how extremely difficult it is.

By forty one realises that gambling has taken over one`s life and that it can`t be done.

By fifty one wishes one had never started gambling in the first instance.

Can deliver to anyone in the South Wales valleys:

e.g. Torfaen, Blaenau Gwent, Merthyr Tydfil or Rhondda Cynon Taff.

I think as you get older you realise the job market is rammed full of pointless roles of pen pushing bureaucrats with people saying " they will phone you back " from different companies riddled with incompetence. Many of these characters in so called management are logged in to football sites or betting ones like this pouring scorn on those not working as they " work " discussing bets and football etc. Regarding gambling, unless you have software extremely advanced, I dont believe it can be done as mac says long term - with the key being long term. Any edge is eroded eventually .. the people making money are the site owners and a tiny number of experts in computer software that know nothing about sports simply using automated software to hoover up erroneous price markets.

Jan 15, 2019 -- 4:25PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:

yes...probably of starvation wolf3011

prob

There's one thing I don't grasp. If we assume prices are accurate , which they are with data going back years and years then why are people blacklisted from bookies with prices lower than betfair SPs? Surely if the market is efficient which I believe it is, then banning a few lucky punters is madness long term as they will revert back to a baseline mean of no profit eventually

There are people on the forums who consistently make a profit from their betting. You know who you are!

There are some pros...they are very shrewd

I put on for one once(killed all my accounts)

I have only known one, it was on greyhound racing, he could spot a rick a mile off...that is where he made his money.

He had other sources of income as well...sort of Arthur Daley bloke.

I also found spending hours going through form on your own each day...is one of the most boring things known

to man.

Is it so repetitive.


We had a chap on here who used to play poker all day on line.

He found it an awful life, especially when on losing run, it is not all glamour.

What one often finds, is when something is really fancied, it is lower on here than with the bookies

but getting that price with the bookies is hard...they will not lay a lot.

Plasterer here,just got in,knackered to done about 90sqm today,l live permanently in dust,it’s got into my brain,that’s why I post **** on here

Some of us used to work for companies, but then got sick of it and went self-employed.

One of the main reasons I quit and went self-employed was the introduction of the open plan office. That put the kibosh on betfair life

So, self-employment does have its perks

It does chap,apart from the paper work and the tax man

Trees. Plant 'em, shape 'em, fell 'em.

Doing less and less these days. Need a change..

I know a guy who is a Lion tamer, honestly.

When he was out of work he always had a tough time signing on the dole.

One time, the advisor asked him his occupation.

"Lion tamer", he replied.

"Lying B*******", more like said the advisor.

Jan 15, 2019 -- 4:54PM, i_agree_with_nick wrote:

There are people on the forums who consistently make a profit from their betting. You know who you are!

no there arent

macarony

I am a ventriloquist on the radio

Is that you Archie?

Tax adviser


Are you really mini me ?

Jan 15, 2019 -- 4:30PM, themightymac wrote:

When one is twenty one thinks that they can be a professional gambler.By thirty one realises how extremely difficult it is.By forty one realises that gambling has taken over one`s life and that it can`t be done.By fifty one wishes one had never started gambling in the first instance.

It can be done from a young age it's only the freedom to place bets that slows you down and being forced to live a conventional life from childhood that makes you start later than you should've done.

Age 28, opened betfair account
Age 29, jacked in day job

Of course there were a lot more low-hanging fruits in them days, don't suppose there's many that make the leap now.

Parachute Tester , Pays well

Jan 15, 2019 -- 9:11PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

Jan 15, 2019 --  4:30PM, themightymac wrote:When one is twenty one thinks that they can be a professional gambler.By thirty one realises how extremely difficult it is.By forty one realises that gambling has taken over one`s life and that it can`t be done.By fifty one wishes one had never started gambling in the first instance.It can be done from a young age it's only the freedom to place bets that slows you down and being forced to live a conventional life from childhood that makes you start later than you should've done.

lol rubbish , you must be just starting out

Last time I was skint was trying to live the conventional life couldn't do it now and might have difficulty trying to explain away the last 12 years or so.
mouse if anybody starting out could keep some bookie accounts open for more than a few bets it could be done easily otherwise it's hard,everybody thinks betting on BF is the utopia betting wise when in reality if you bet old school on horses (win/ew/multis) freedom to bet with books is El Dorado.

Jan 15, 2019 -- 9:14PM, mouse muldoon wrote:

Age 28, opened betfair accountAge 29, jacked in day jobOf course there were a lot more low-hanging fruits in them days, don't suppose there's many that make the leap now.

You're saying you make money betting or trading enough to clear a minimum wage job.. funny how so many are in the 0.5% that do

Made a wee bit more than min wage 2007-2012ish

Are you doing it now as a fulltime job?

Jan 15, 2019 -- 9:29PM, wolf3011 wrote:

Are you doing it now as a fulltime job?

Do you think it can't be done wolf?

Yeah, but wouldn't be much above min wage now.

Jan 15, 2019 -- 9:30PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

Jan 15, 2019 --  9:29PM, wolf3011 wrote:Are you doing it now as a fulltime job?Do you think it can't be done wolf?

without bots no I dont

Haven't counted profit/loss since about 2012 found it had a negative affect on decision making.

There are loads on these forums that claim to have an edge, when its put to the test with actual bets and SPs it ends in tears. GTFI was telling us he had trialled a "system " over thousands of bets and ended up leaving the forum ridiculed after his bank had been blown. It's not a criticism but a reality- I wish it wasn't the case

Jan 15, 2019 -- 9:32PM, wolf3011 wrote:

Jan 15, 2019 --  9:30PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:Jan 15, 2019 --  9:29PM, wolf3011 wrote:Are you doing it now as a fulltime job?Do you think it can't be done wolf?without bots no I dont

Don't know about trading have never done it but straightforward betting can be done,if bookmakers took bets it could be done by many.

I won 88p on the City game last night

Are you clearing a years minimum wage plus annually in profit denzil on a consistent basis

Used to be a cuemaker. Retired in 2004.

Needed a rest?

Must have a decent pension pot.

Jan 15, 2019 -- 9:38PM, wolf3011 wrote:

Are you clearing a years minimum wage plus annually in profit denzil on a consistent basis

Don't know what the minimum wage is and don't like to talk about money given different perceptions,will only say I've got a comfortable life and work when I want to.

If bookmakers took bets I'd do more used to work 7 days per week at one time last couple of years can go 2 weeks without betting at all.

If bookmakers took bets I'd do more used to work 7 days per week at one time last couple of years can go 2 weeks without betting at all.


That Avenue of pleasure stopped long ago Denzil

Mind you with the recent changes regards the FOBT's they might have to start taking a bet again..........but I doubt it.

Ladbrokes/Coral released a statement saying they were offering BOG in shops but they failed to mention the small print i.e connect/grid cards to track and getting restricted quick if you aint clueless or in the game,celeb,media etc.
Have done the daily shops thing in the past when multis were the order of the day used to get about half on in shops and rest @ bfsp,got sick of the morning travels although could get it done in about 90 minutes still a grind in the middle of the flat season.

Don't know why they don't take a bet online even from arbers given the amount of completely false gambles initiated every day not sure how they could lose overall as the horses have to win after all,granted many more half clued up punters would win but plenty would still get sucked into the shorteners that won't be winning.

wolf3011, maybe some people are shrewder than you.

e.g. ME Keep depositing you lemon

KOD >>> the betting and forum legend

^ Thinks he's zodie ffs

Behave, 5 acres is **** all

BTW, if you think the markets are on point then you're sadly mistaken.

http://community.betfair.com/cricket/go/thread/view/94046/23434118/laydraw-or-back2fav-etc-continued?pg=25

We can clearly see, over a period of years, that the markets have not adjusted to the global dearth of test match quality batting - hence the draw lay profitability. This is pre-toss, mark my words: it gets better as the the game goes on. This is mens, womens is even better

Ladcrooks used to call me John222. Hills called me "Fat bloke" really banged their heads together to come up with that one

Captain Wurzel


10 Jul 15 18:38
Australia 3.45 to chase 412 on a wicket with spin and variable bounce - this is madness.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11371/scorecard/743963/england-vs-australia-1st-investec-test-australia-tour-of-england-and-ireland-2015

http://community.betfair.com/cricket/go/thread/view/94046/30541951/the-ashes-1st-test-at-cardiff?pg=22

Prime example, 400+ chased down twice in 150 years or 2000+ tests, laying @ 5/2. You don't need a bot, or even a brain, to make money there.

Jan 15, 2019 -- 10:41PM, ufcdan wrote:

Ladcrooks used to call me John222. Hills called me "Fat bloke" really banged their heads together to come up with that one

Jan 15, 2019 -- 10:28PM, Richie_Burnett wrote:

wolf3011, maybe some people are shrewder than you.e.g. ME Keep depositing you lemonKOD >>> the betting and forum legend

or maybe you're a lying bellend just bragging on an internet forum

Jan 15, 2019 -- 10:37PM, Richie_Burnett wrote:

BTW, if you think the markets are on point then you're sadly mistaken.http://community.betfair.com/cricket/go/thread/view/94046/23434118/... can clearly see, over a period of years, that the markets have not adjusted to the global dearth of test match quality batting - hence the draw lay profitability. This is pre-toss, mark my words: it gets better as the the game goes on. This is mens, womens is even better

The fact you are using a tiny same ( which less than 500 is) to demonstrate laying odds approaching 10 shows anything illustrates you must be one of the thickest posters to have ever graced the forum

Laying odds like that you would need several thousand bets to illustrate anything

There we have it anyway , the holy grail has been found in the highly original "lay the draw " betting strategy.. you're a mastermind

I clean birdshit out of cuckoo clocks

The lay the draw thread mastermind thread is hilarious viewing for all betting connoisseurs .. apparently he has found 3 holy grails all at the same time. Laying the favourite team ( original ) , backing the dog and laying the draw. There we have it then , all you need to do in order to profit according to this vegetable is simply back the underdog in a cricket match for untold wealth... oh and lay the draw at long odds...and back the favourite ( all three holy grails )     http://community.betfair.com/cricket/go/thread/view/94046/23434118/laydraw-o...

Look man, you don't need a huge sample to exploit the market. You're so bitter

If I gave you 20/1 on Liverpool to win the league you'd be like........small sample

Regarding gambling, unless you have software extremely advanced, I dont believe it can be done as mac says long term - with the key being long term. Any edge is eroded eventually .. the people making money are the site owners and a tiny number of experts in computer software that know nothing about sports simply using automated software to hoover up erroneous price markets.

Jan 15, 2019 -- 11:11PM, Richie_Burnett wrote:

Look man, you don't need a huge sample to exploit the market. You're so bitterIf I gave you 20/1 on Liverpool to win the league you'd be like........small sample

"look man " you do..you're using 460 bets to show that backing the underdog in cricket at long odds proves the markets are out and laying the draw at long odds proves the market is out. It's embarrassing and utterly ridiculous. You could take any one season in the premier league and look at a specific market over that number of bets and see either a significant profit or loss. It means fck all. Laying the draw at 10 would mean in 400 matches , 40 would average a draw but in any given sample just a few out would mean significant gains or losses. The next 400 matches, you are likely to be the same amount down as you were in profit.

You're thinking about results, not your expectation.

My expectations are based on mathematical probability - laying something at 10 over 400 bets claiming to have an edge is no sample at all. It isnt just lay the draw is it , your results ( if accurate ) on the thread shows an advantage backing the underdog. These patterns appear over  afew hundred bets but expand the sample to several thousand and they revert back to baseline again

I highly doubt the veracity of that claim, there is no huge sample in sports. How do you think people bet on horses who rune 5 times a year?

If someone bets 5 times a year and wins, good for them but it doesnt mean the markets are out or have any kind of edge. You have out a thread up of around 460 bets with a trend towards backing or laying long odds .. it doesn't prove anything. If you expect 40 bets out of 400 to come in just a deviance of 10 either way equates to 100 points which makes it look like a winning or losing strategy. The odds are too long and sample size too small to prove anything.. if it was as simple as backing the underdog in every cricket match we would all be millionaires

I'm a professional betfair forumite.

You're so dense it's beggars belief. You get the volume from your own bets. Lets say each horse runs 5 times a year....there is more than 1 horse in the world....therefore the sample is the number of +EV bets, not the number of individual races.

If you genuinely believe that how do you ever bet on anything?

You think you have found an edge with the cunning plan of backing every underdog in a cricket match or to add subtlety to it - you lay the draw.. genius stuff. If you think that's an edge why are you wasting your time here, go and make your millions. What's next .. martingale staking plans on the casino wheel lol? That's the problem with people like you , you think you are somehow "beating the odds" but sooner or later reality will come crashing in and the will turn into . Do you really think you can make money simply by laying favourites in cricket matches with no rhyme or reason  and just sail off into the sunset? You may as well put a blindfold on a pick stuff out randomly at long odds, lay it and hope for the best

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_association_football_predictions  You can scroll down for how football odds are generated yet your cunning plan to beat this and use your skills in cricket is....drum roll "back every favourite" Like I said , genius stuff.. dont spend all your money at once Einstein

correction ^^ back every underdog " much more sophisticated a plan

i am a test pilot ...............in a broom factory!

baphornet.... no irish beef its all british but some from N.I  its mainly local to the store   i.e  a morrisons in yorkshire will sell yorkshire beef.

I used to be a fisherman but I couldn't live on the net income.

An enjoyable read, the essence of which, I feel, is perfectly encapsulated by this, one of The Smiths greatest...

As merry as the days were long
I was right and you were wrong

Back at the old grey school
I would win and you would lose

But you've got everything now
You've got everything now
And what a terrible mess I've made of my life
Oh, what a mess I've made of my life

No, I've never had a job
Because I've never wanted one

I've seen you smile
But I've never really heard you laugh

So who is rich and who is poor?
I cannot say...oh

You are your mother's only son
And you're a desperate one
Oh...

But I don't want a lover
I just want to be seen...oh...in the back of your car

A friendship sadly lost?
Well this is true...and yet, it's false
Oh...

But did I ever tell you, by the way?
I never did like your face

But you've got everything now
You've got everything now
And what a terrible mess I've made of my life
Oh, what a mess I've made of my life

No, I've never had a job
Because I'm too shy

I've seen you smile
But I've never really heard you laugh

So who is rich and who is poor ?
I cannot say...oh

Oh...
You are your mother's only son
And you're a desperate one
Oh...

But I don't want a lover
I just want to be tied... oh...to the back of your car
To the back of your car
To the back of your car
To the back of your car
To the back of your car
To the back of your car
Oh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OugPMQibAjo

Only fools and horses innit?

There was a sweet spot between 1987 (when Nigel Lawson - God bless you, sir - abolished the on-course betting tax) and 2000 (when this site started), when it really was genuinely easier to make money as a pure, formbook punter than as a bookmaker.

As a punter you weren't taking on the combined brains of the whole world, as you do now on Betfair. You only had to be better than men who thought a 120% book meant that half an hour reading the Life in the carpark before racing was enough preparation to then go and stand up and take four-figure bets at their pitches. And there were rows and rows of them - dozens of them - competing against each other to attract your business.

As if that weren't enough, the Ring was then opened up to enable greedy and innumerate newcomers to buy pitches. You could stand in front of just two or three boards on a wet Tuesday at Plumpton, and those boards would be betting to less than 100% between them. They didn't know that - they had no computers to tell them. And they'd still be taking bets of £500 to £90 each way with an odds-on favourite. Commission-free too!

There were so many ways to get an edge as a punter. Just going to the course and watching the races through binoculars was often enough. It wasn't until the mid-1990s that you could guarantee there would be TV coverage even on the course, never mind in the shops or at home. The close-up comments in the Formbook were worthless.

If you knew how to calculate speed figures, you'd be one of probably no more than a couple of dozen people in the whole country who could do it at the start of the 1990s. It was just so easy in retrospect, but with one proviso ... you had to be full-time. You had to give up work entirely and devote yourself to the travelling and the Formbook. And be prepared that after two or three years absent from employment, there would be no way back if you couldn't hack it.

I went full-time in 1990, and made enough in the subsequent decade that I can still get by on much more limited returns now that Betfair has destroyed that wonderful world for ever.

Would I do the same now - burn my bridges and walk out of that office for the last time? On the face of it, no. But then again, if I simply had to make more than I do these days in order to avoid employment, perhaps I would go that extra mile: make the effort to visit the Hills shop as well as the Ladbrokes one every morning (the only two places I can still get a bet on apart from on here); see whether I could up the stakes on laying odds-on shots at cricket and horses (but would I only get the bigger stakes on when they win?); get fast pics for in-running one way or another, rather than just betting off Racing UK pics.

I think if you're younger and more motivated, you could still take the plunge, give up employment for good and make it worthwhile. But it's definitely not as straightforward as when I did that thing 28 years ago.

wolf3011, you lemon, I wish you would stop embarrassing yourself. It's quite unnecessary.

I was pointing out that the markets are not as efficient as you claimed, not saying I point and click on test match draw lays.

Jan 17, 2019 -- 12:01AM, Richie_Burnett wrote:

wolf3011, you lemon, I wish you would stop embarrassing yourself. It's quite unnecessary.I was pointing out that the markets are not as efficient as you claimed, not saying I point and click on test match draw lays.

You clearly haven't read anything I've written and too thick to continue on speaking to Richie... you keep on laying the draw with your edge lol

I'd still be doing OK if I had windows 7 and the old racing post site.

stop pretending to have a job , you’re all layabouts