Also the quality of politician seems to be going down. In all parties including the Tories but seriously, the Libs, Labour have had a more dramatic crash in the quality of politician. Labour's front bench are &&&&ing morons, this is widely accepted, look at the respect people had for figures (that I respected) like Ashdown and Kennedy vs the weak hand wringing SJWs the LDs have now. The SNP/Plaid have always been clueless. It's all very depressing.

maybe those that voted for abel will never vote again, or cain voters wouldnt if he didnt win

but would spend hours posting about it on internet

funny old world

Agree with JC's last point. Reckon it's more that the standard of our Parliamentarians has never been lower. I remember the **** end of Tory rule in the 90s was just about the most corrupt, self serving bunch of crooks ever, always in bed with some lobbying group or industry bloc but at least they were smart.

The current crop have grown up with those as their peers, at who they look to for advice and education. Match that with the increasing inequality from rampant capitalism where the rewards are far higher in private industry rather than public service and you end up with a bunch of second raters taking advice from a bunch of crooks.


And that's how we get to where we are now, as the excellent James Mercer would say.

no baph

just following on my train of thought.

i really think folk should continue to vote for what they want, ...sometimes
takes a few goes, and we cant all have what we want.

but cant give up !

YES  -  but will Iraq win today??  (a soccerball competition - asia cup)

go get yourself a vegan sausage roll and film yourself throwing it in the bin nellie. Sounds like you can afford it!

Another thread which sums up the current mentality which has sadly increased in the last 2-3 years. An MP is quite clearly abused but instead of being concerned at this behaviour the OP decides the MP is at fault and the 'protesters' have done nothing wrong. At least 50 MP's have expressed their concern at how abuse is widening and getting more concerning. Perhaps the OP should be reminded that it wasn't so long ago that an MP was brutally murdered. Very sad how hateful behaviour has become acceptable to many people.

do not care about your soccerball competitions Moisok

the very term vegan sausage roll is ridiculous.

Weaker..
Chairman of the AfD party in Germany Frank Magnitz battling for his life after being attacked in the street by political activists yesterday.
Party released a statement  calling it a 'black day for democracy in Germany'

one of these dangerous right wing groups did it then sticky

ya no - the ones they keep arresting in the uk they bang on about

I'll be interested to see how much sympathy/coverage our leftie media give this German "jo Cox"..
Will the BBC have balloons out?

HEADLINE CARD ON SKY  --------BREXIT
                              CRISIS

Like an advert!!!  ho ho ho

12 o clock news sky - they have a story about a Moose

and something about a plaice called scot land??

and pictures of a salmon enjoying life

no draw  - I lay the draw

SURELY THIS CANNOT BE TRUE?? Socialists/left wing do not do this - well I don't and I am a card carrying member of over 40 years

Germany: Left-wing violence and extremism on the rise
June 20, 2018

BERLIN (AP) — German security officials say left-wing extremists have become more willing to use violence over the past five years.

Figures released by the domestic intelligence agency BfV on Wednesday show the number of left-wing extremists whom authorities consider potentially violent rose 27 percent from 7,100 to about 9,000 between 2012 and 2017.

The number of violent crimes committed by left-wing extremists rose 88 percent during that period, to 1,648 from 876.

Last year saw a spike in left-wing violence partly due to the G-20 summit in Hamburg. The rise of the far-right Alternative for Germany has also given left-wing extremists a new target in recent years.

BfV chief Hans-Georg Maassen called for more public debate about the need to reject violence as a means of achieving political ends.

regarding the thread title, and in light of recent posts, are we saying weaker/better since Jo Cox was murdered or before that?

the farage verbal and other assault(s)

Biased BBC as usual. 12 o clock news summary didn't mention the right wing German politican beaten almost to death yet it's been all over the newspapers for hourse. The've spent 15-20 minutes discussing politicians being harrassed etc, the very subject area of the German story, no mention. How can they possibly do that?. It would be 1.01 if say a Democrat politician in the US has been beaten to a pulp and the attacker was likely a Trump supporter, it would be a headline item with much coverage, probably main story!

sky the same

all about a salmon in a place called scot land -


They have raise the hounds and are making a huge racket about this
ANOTHER CRISIS - deflect us away from the fact that mps no longer listen to people

then on and on with a Labour mp saying the group had threatened violence against soubry

then there is a story about a MOOSE  I do not joke!!!

no half dead german MP story - maybe they are saving up the outrage for the 6pm news