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bigmo
30 Dec 18 07:23
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Starkest warning yet about nitrites that turn cured products pink


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https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/dec/29/nitrites-used-in-bacon-cured-meats-linked-to-cancer-experts-warn

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By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 30 Dec 18 08:32
Last month had an acquiantance/distant relative die of bowel cancer aged just 36 a clean liver didn't drink/smoke not overweight couldn't go to the toilet so went to get checked was already stage 4.
Everyone's missing the food link too much money involved to certain industries for the true extent to be made public policy a very sad state of affairs.
By:
cooperman
When: 30 Dec 18 09:15
Got to admit that reading ingredients list on certain products requires a chemistry degree.
By:
Get me a drink
When: 30 Dec 18 09:21
The trouble is people don't believe industries and governments would allow these kind of things to happen. The problem, as usual, is greed. Treatment of cancer and other long term illnesses are a massive cash cow for big pharma companies, etc. Enough money to significantly influence gov. policy. Enough money to ensure people are given these conditions purposefully, or at least turn a blind eye to the causes.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 30 Dec 18 11:54
We knew decades ago that burned toast is carcinogenic along with scorched meat.

Yet food adverts including toast always show black parts on the toast, and it's routine to serve steak with scorched areas showing the marks from the bars on the griddle even if it's pink inside.

As for processed animal food products like bacon, no one even tries to cover up the hazards of eating these any more as the dangers are so well known.

Even eating properly cooked meat without any burned bits is considered risky.

That's only the cancer risk from eating animal products. The risk of heart disease from eating meat is another major factor to consider.

People should wise up and start to look after themselves with regard to what they eat, because no one else is going to while money is involved.
By:
bigmo
When: 30 Dec 18 11:54
That's awful DenzilSad
By:
EvgenyKissin
When: 30 Dec 18 12:01
Congratulations Bigmo - looks like your almost over the line.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 30 Dec 18 12:04
Muffins come with burned black bits, before you take then out of their wrappings.

The crust on bread is black on one side from baking.

Yet no one seems to give eating burned food a second though, they think it's harmless.
By:
EvgenyKissin
When: 30 Dec 18 12:23
*you are
By:
Percy Filth
When: 30 Dec 18 12:36
Just stop eating bacon and other carcinogenic processed meat
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 30 Dec 18 12:41
I really like bacon......Sad
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 30 Dec 18 12:44
I like bringing it home Sad
By:
Percy Filth
When: 30 Dec 18 13:16
Feel free to keep eating it then
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 30 Dec 18 13:17
I do, maybe once a month.
By:
casemoney
When: 30 Dec 18 14:57
https://www.wcrf.org/dietandcancer/cancer-trends/data-cancer-frequency-country

Non bacon eating Countries not on the List Plain
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 30 Dec 18 16:04
^Israel at No 50.

Those figures include skin cancers by the way.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 30 Dec 18 16:10
Studies have shown that animal protein intake is linked to cancer cell growth. 

Others show that diets rich in animal protein significantly increases the risk of cancer.

https://www.livescience.com/43839-too-much-protein-help-cancers-grow.html
By:
bigmo
When: 30 Dec 18 17:13
I very rarely eat bacon as I prefer chicken to be honest. On the odd occasion I fancy a rare bacon sandwich, is uncured any healthier?

Or is it really keep away.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 30 Dec 18 17:41
avoid wheat, very bad.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 30 Dec 18 18:35
Jordan peterson just texted,its all lies like climate change he sayed i only eat meat he sayed no vegetables,anyway kep sending me donations thickets..Shocked
By:
moisok
When: 30 Dec 18 20:21
I should be dead - many wish it - but seem to have survived somehow -

read my o bit of a jury tea next weak
By:
blackbarn
When: 30 Dec 18 23:15
Easy to find proper bacon - nitrite free cured bacon from properly raised pigs available all over the place.  Your local butcher may be biased but his agenda can be easily and carefully compared with that of those on here.
By:
bigmo
When: 31 Dec 18 08:45
Thanks blackbarn. I intended to have a word with some local butchers. Can't believe I've been stupid enough to think cured was more healthy. It's the way they plaster it over the packaging sucking idiots like me in assuming it's healthier. Oh well. Live and learn.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 31 Dec 18 09:08
It's like the equivalent of vaping instead of smoking bigmo I used to consume large amounts of grass fed hormone free meat/dairy etc. thinking I was on the healthy option whilst shelling out decent wedge,only to find the real benefits come from drastically cutting the intake of all meat products unfortunately nitrate free or not.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 31 Dec 18 09:09
*nitrite
By:
Foinavon
When: 31 Dec 18 14:35
The lifetime risk of colorectal cancer is about 1 in 15 for males (less for females) which is a bit less than 7%.

The IARC suggests that eating 50g a day of processed meat increases the risk by 18%

18% of 7% is 1.26%. Is that a big enough reason for giving up eating sausages and bacon? It's your call but it's just another scare story in my view. If they legislate to reduce the level of these chemicals, all well and good as long as they don't make the meat unsafe for other reasons. I won't lose sleep over it.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 31 Dec 18 15:57
If you are already eating meat you're on the shortlist for many other types of cancer as well.
By:
Foinavon
When: 31 Dec 18 16:05
Yes, that's probably true. It's the same if you regularly drink alcohol, smoke or are overweight and don't eat much roughage.
We all make lifestyle choices and when doing so it's useful to be in possession of whatever scientific information is available.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 31 Dec 18 16:10
Some people smoke 20 a day til they're 100. How do they survive that? not that I'd encourage it.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 31 Dec 18 16:12
I presume the effect is cumulative, so, it makes more sense to give up these things when you are 18.

If you are 60.....?

Maybe need to tailor Foinavon's calculation further on the basis many of us are unlikely to live more than 20-25 years anyway.
By:
Foinavon
When: 31 Dec 18 18:12
I would agree with that, Jack. When you get to retirement age, there's probably not a great deal of benefit to changing your lifestyle if it's going to stress you out. The one exception might be quitting smoking as you could develop or exacerbate COPD which can be quite a setback to your quality of life.
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 31 Dec 18 18:34
Imagine Dr Cretin at 100...
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 31 Dec 18 20:12
Yes louse, and I'll bet I'll be in better shape at 100 than you are now.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 31 Dec 18 20:17
you haven't a gastric band fitted doc?
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 31 Dec 18 20:29
I was referring to how your joyous demeanour may have magnified itself even further with advancing years, doc, and anyway I'm not sure how you'd be able to ascertain what shape I'm in from this range.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 31 Dec 18 21:02
Oh I see louse, like an improving good wine eh. I'll bet.


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