Is there a legal obligation to pay £39 billion pounds to the EU?

Very slippery, she said there is a legal obligation to pay some money.
Probably obligated to pay about 5. Agree that the remainder should be used to get a better deal.

"There are legal obligations that this country has."

The question is how much???

Surely BBC and Sky can invite legal eagles on to confirm yes or no. Bizarre there's no universal agreement imo.

Pay 39 billion to put us in a worse position than we are now.

Marvellous.

One thing for sure is that If it has to be paid, it will be the poorest in society who will foot the bill.

It was only a House Of Lords committee that decided that the UK would have a strong legal case for defaulting on the bill, which has since been agreed by Govt. Other voices have counselled that  "In whatever circumstances we leave the EU, there will be financial obligations and commitments we shall have to abide by"- to quote the PM directly today.
If the UK was to renege on the bill, it is highly likely that the matter would be decided in the Hague, at the permanent court of international arbitration.
Rees Mogg and his gang have been playing fast and loose with the £39b figure. It's a form of dishonesty to promise it to the people when it is not theirs to give.

39 billion is to buy a deal, not to pay our dues.

It'll be more like 60 billion to buy a deal at the end of the procedure if you listen to the Brexiteers.

Your Prime Minister says you are incorrect, Dr Crippen. In fact she said "In whatever circumstances we leave the EU, there will be financial obligations and commitments we shall have to abide by" about four hours ago.

Yes but not £39billions worth.

We agreed initially on this figure so that we could enter negotiations.
May has negotiated nothing and conceded almost everything before settling for crumbs.
Hard to see anything of real value for the UK in this deal.

hard to find the crumbs

What about the future financial obligations of the EU, all the buildings that our contributions have paid for, how much rent will we get?

I have searched for an itemised statement of what this £39 billion actually buys us and (surprise surprise, given the EU's cavalier approach to accountancy) there isn't one.

Mind you, if you allow the whole negotiation process to be predicated on some financial settlement (for what?) first before getting into any meaningful, substantive work about trade or, migration or technology / intelligence sharing etc, then you get what you deserve.

Yeah, cheers Theresa and 'the party of business'.

If we leave without a deal there is nothing pay according to the House of Lords.

but we need a deal

perhaps better than this.....but the EU are not making it easy for us to leave

Nov 27, 2018 -- 1:28PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

If we leave without a deal there is nothing pay according to the House of Lords.

keeps repeating this like a parrot as if it was of crucial importance.

It is of crucial importance.
£39billion going on £60billion thanks to this 'deal', is one helluva bargaining chip.
The Don would have used it well.

May has taken this job on....she may be regretting it now

But it needs to be seen through..with the best deal we can get

It was never going to be easy...but it has to be done

It was what people voted for....OUT of the EU

£39billion going on £60billion thanks to this 'deal', is one helluva bargaining chip.
That's why they seat akabula at the back of the restaurant, by the toilets.

1. We must have future control of immigration from the EU...I believe that is why people voted out myself.

I see this has been pushed back a bit, and there must be some concern over the 'soft' border in Ireland?


2. We need to do business with the EU, so some sort of Trade Deal is really important

I assume the 39 Billion is for this, it is a lot of money, are we getting value here?

Shows the importance of a good negotiator.

But they also need cards to play.,


hmmm?????

UB really is clueless

Sine Parliament cannot seem to agree whether there is legal obligation, then how is anybody on here going to know?

But it seems likely that if we don't pay, and the EU think we should, then they will not give us the trade deal which we need?


You are right akabula, I am clueless

Don't take it personally, UBLE/REGY, akabula's bile is aimed at me while I'm schooling him on the politics forum.

Sorry Ebul. The clueless quip was aimed at U nited B iscuit.
You, as per normal, talk sense.

ok biscuits

and akabula

and akabula

akabula • November 27, 2018 8:26 PM GMT

The Don would have used it well.

As Trumps ludicrous policies begin to destroy the healthy economy he inherited, the gammons still believe that he is some sort of guru.

Mrs May has boxed herself into a corner. Hammond's prophesies will not convince anyone as all past projections from  the Dept of "Project Fear" simply have not materialised.

Mrs May is a survivor but that's all she is. She has one last chance to prove she has some vision and spine and could therefore do no worse than press the Brexit nuclear button by going to Brussels saying, "Sorry guys, the maths don't add up. Parliament will not approve the plan, so here's what will happen"

1/ There is no money, we need the £39 billion to smooth the way for businesses to adapt to WTO rules.

2/ That's right we're going WTO. You export more to us than we do to you. Let us know if you want to smooth things over for your exporters, we'll expect the same treatment for our exporters.

3/ We will continue to abide by the Northern Irish agreement. It up to you if you let Ireland do the same. Discuss it with them, not us.

3/ Euro ex-pats living in the UK can expect the same rights and benefits they currently enjoy. We expect that British Expats in the EU to be similarly treated.

4/ You'll continue to receive the best intelligence from our security agencies, of course we'll expect free access to your intelligence in return. Remember we have access to Five Eyes Intelligence - you don't. 

5/ You want some of our money? Fine, tempt us with something amazing.

Granted, its a strategy not without risks but the current plan is one massive bureaucratic bog.

With this hard-nosed approach Mrs May will win most of the Brexit vote at the next general election, as for the Leavers, many don't trust Corbyn (who's a closet Brexiteer in any case) and they certainly don't relish McDonnell manning the UK cash register.

"Granted, its a strategy not without risks..."

Yeah, the risk that it would give you piss poor relations with the EU for at least a couple of decades is like 99%. That would cost you way more than £39 billion over that period of time.

Nov 28, 2018 -- 4:56PM, Mr.Anderson wrote:

"Granted, its a strategy not without risks..."Yeah, the risk that it would give you piss poor relations with the EU for at least a couple of decades is like 99%. That would cost you way more than £39 billion over that period of time.

Assuming the EU lasts another couple of decades

^^"
I always have a good giggle at the ignorance of brexiters.  They hand wave away the enormous complexity of trade and border law and regulation.  They seriously think that that the wto tariffs are the only problem and not the forty years of rules and agreements with the entire world that disappear overnight.