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It seems there is at least one conspiracy theory about every major event.
Moon landings, JFK, Princess Di, Twin Towers..
Has there been a major event which has been universally accepted as being as portrayed in the media?
Moon landings, JFK, Princess Di, Twin Towers..
Has there been a major event which has been universally accepted as being as portrayed in the media?
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Probably not. There's a guy on this forum (can't recall his name right now) who seems to think the there's a conspiracy behind every major event 
A part of me believes the moon landing fake is now b******, I use to believe it was faked
But I honestly believe the elites want us to believe this, I dunno why but it just sounds contrived now imo
Just last night I was re-watching Intersteller and there's a conversation between the teacher and the main character himself having a argument about the moon landing, in the movie they have changed the history books to say it was indeed faked for propaganda purposes.
That just makes me believe it was in fact real after all, for whatever reason they don't want us to believe there's something else out there
But I honestly believe the elites want us to believe this, I dunno why but it just sounds contrived now imo
Just last night I was re-watching Intersteller and there's a conversation between the teacher and the main character himself having a argument about the moon landing, in the movie they have changed the history books to say it was indeed faked for propaganda purposes.
That just makes me believe it was in fact real after all, for whatever reason they don't want us to believe there's something else out there
That's all it takes as well isn't it, condition the people to believe something else, re-write the history books and teach the next generation differently, it causes the divide between the young and old, and it just buries everything deeper 
It takes not a lot to divide people
Who really cares whether it was faked or not? that's the problem right there, we are to busy arguing amongst ourselves to truly know what's going on behind the scenes. I think its time we hit these places (nasa etc) and demanded answers, instead of just buying everything they sell us, and that includes the "conspiracy theories" from the other controlled operations.
Who really cares whether it was faked or not? that's the problem right there, we are to busy arguing amongst ourselves to truly know what's going on behind the scenes. I think its time we hit these places (nasa etc) and demanded answers, instead of just buying everything they sell us, and that includes the "conspiracy theories" from the other controlled operations.
"Probably not. There's a guy on this forum (can't recall his name right now) who seems to think the there's a conspiracy behind every major event Laugh"
Terry McCann.
I'm sure the guy **** onto a plate and then goes through it to see if he's crapped out bits of alien probes or men in black GPS tracking devices.
Terry McCann.
I'm sure the guy **** onto a plate and then goes through it to see if he's crapped out bits of alien probes or men in black GPS tracking devices.
As you never have anything to offer your opinion is worth f uck all mr.not checking.
SO ONCE AGAIN I WILL ASK YOU,WHAT HAVE I SAID THAT YOU CAN SAY 100% WAS WRONG.?
SO ONCE AGAIN I WILL ASK YOU,WHAT HAVE I SAID THAT YOU CAN SAY 100% WAS WRONG.?
Lol, yes was thinking of Terry. Hi Terry! I would like to add that I don't mind people who believe in many conspiracy theories as long as they're not prominent politicians or similar.
Hi Mr.Anderson, I would like to point out its not everything as you said but most things, the odd thing is people take the p1ss but never correct me where ive gone wrong,does that tell you something about the human race,bit daft some I would say!
YOU should be here not checking,you are very quick to try and take the p1ss but not so good as to answer me AS PER USUAL
has anyone got a reason to disbelieve the Red Cross
CONSPIRACY THEORIES :
The Facts:
A new study from YouGov and Cambridge University reveals some telling facts about people who believe in conspiracy theories. For example, 44% of people believe only a small group of people control government regardless of who's elected.
Reflect On:
Are we waking up to the truths in our world, even though media, education and pop culture tells us we're crazy to think differently? Are we seeing a grand awakening?
The largest study of conspiracy theories has revealed some interesting and telling facts about how people feel about authority, who really runs the government, and even what demographics are most likely to believe in alternative truths.
The study polled people from 9 different countries over a six-year period and was performed by researchers at the University of Cambridge and YouGov, funded by the Leverhulme Trust. This study is the deepest ever conducted on the subject and marks the first time academics have explored questions of conspiracy beliefs, social trust, and news consumption habits across different countries.
The timing of this study is interesting as many people are turning away from mainstream ‘facts’ and instead are exploring information from independent sources that often provide a completely different narrative than that of controlled mainstream media outlets. In this day and age, as more narrative-breaking truths come forward, some have been suggesting that those who believe in conspiracy theories are unstable and often suffering from some sort of mental illness. Articles and discussions have even popped up pointing at ways of getting people to stop believing in conspiracy theories like in Inc.s “A New Study Has Found a Way to Stop People From Believing in Conspiracy Theories.” It’s not all that surprising when you consider the goal is to keep people uninformed, but the game is becoming more obvious.
Before we continue, yes, some conspiracy theories are false and way out there, but many aren’t. Time and time again we continue to see ‘conspiracy theories’ turn out to be true. Yet we continue to judge alternative information harshly as collectively we aren’t learning our lessons. Think of Snowden for example. People had claimed ‘Big Brother’ was watching and tracking everything we did for years, but it wasn’t until Snowden came forward and proved it that people actually started to realize it was true all along.
Instead of viewing all of those who believe in ‘conspiracies’ as unstable, if you took a more honest and neutral look at it, you might realize most are stable, well educated and intelligent individuals who happened to figure out they were being deceived and thus have performed their own research.
Interestingly, pop culture, education, and even government sneer at these people and instead focus on those who are ‘educated’ and who, quite frankly, vote a specific way, as the stable ones. Classic conditioning of the masses to avoid people from learning truths that would deeply shake those in power.
The Results of The Study
More than 11,500 people were surveyed online by YouGov across nine countries: France, Germany, the UK, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, and the USA. Results were weighted to be representative of each country.
• 15% of Brexit leave voters and 11% of remain voters in Britain believed that, regardless of who was officially in charge in government, the world was run by a secret global cabal of people who control events together.
• 44% of people in the UK believe that “even though we live in what’s called a democracy, a few people will always run things in this country anyway”.
• Mistrust of authority was high in the UK, with 77% of people trusting journalists “not much” or “not at all”; 76% distrusting British government ministers; and 74% distrusting company bosses.
• Friends and family, by contrast, were trusted by 87% and 89% of respondents respectively, potentially adding credence to news sources shared by social media contacts.
• Remain voters were more likely (50%) to use social media regularly for news than leave voters (34%), and more likely to read a newspaper website (by 41% to 18%). Of those who got their news from social media, Facebook was used frequently by more leave voters than remainers (74% leave, 65% remain), while the opposite was true of Twitter (39% remain, 28% leave).
• Sweden gave the least amount credit to conspiracy theories, with 52% believing one or more of the theories polled by the researchers, as opposed to 85% for Hungary. In the US that figure was 64% and in France 76%. Sweden also happens to have a giant problem with free speech… they regularly prosecute and jail people for having unpopular opinions.
The Takeaway
We live in a fast-changing world. Not just in our evolution of technology and landscape, but in our collective consciousness. People are figuring out, on a mass scale, that things aren’t what they seem in this world and our evolution in individual consciousness is driving deep questioning into what is actually going on in our world. It may appear like a chaotic time, but it’s a necessary step in breaking down old beliefs and paradigms that allow us to give our power away to a small group of elite individuals who rule our entire world.
Now is the time for individual empowerment to create a strong collective. We do not rise under one country, government or belief system, but under an understanding and state of consciousness within that allows us to see we must take responsibility for our own lives and live from our hearts. As we practice this and let go of the way of the old, we will continue to see an incredible dismantling of a power structure that does not have our best interest at heart.
Each of us holds the key to changing within. If we focus there, things will continue to shift.
The Facts:
A new study from YouGov and Cambridge University reveals some telling facts about people who believe in conspiracy theories. For example, 44% of people believe only a small group of people control government regardless of who's elected.
Reflect On:
Are we waking up to the truths in our world, even though media, education and pop culture tells us we're crazy to think differently? Are we seeing a grand awakening?
The largest study of conspiracy theories has revealed some interesting and telling facts about how people feel about authority, who really runs the government, and even what demographics are most likely to believe in alternative truths.
The study polled people from 9 different countries over a six-year period and was performed by researchers at the University of Cambridge and YouGov, funded by the Leverhulme Trust. This study is the deepest ever conducted on the subject and marks the first time academics have explored questions of conspiracy beliefs, social trust, and news consumption habits across different countries.
The timing of this study is interesting as many people are turning away from mainstream ‘facts’ and instead are exploring information from independent sources that often provide a completely different narrative than that of controlled mainstream media outlets. In this day and age, as more narrative-breaking truths come forward, some have been suggesting that those who believe in conspiracy theories are unstable and often suffering from some sort of mental illness. Articles and discussions have even popped up pointing at ways of getting people to stop believing in conspiracy theories like in Inc.s “A New Study Has Found a Way to Stop People From Believing in Conspiracy Theories.” It’s not all that surprising when you consider the goal is to keep people uninformed, but the game is becoming more obvious.
Before we continue, yes, some conspiracy theories are false and way out there, but many aren’t. Time and time again we continue to see ‘conspiracy theories’ turn out to be true. Yet we continue to judge alternative information harshly as collectively we aren’t learning our lessons. Think of Snowden for example. People had claimed ‘Big Brother’ was watching and tracking everything we did for years, but it wasn’t until Snowden came forward and proved it that people actually started to realize it was true all along.
Instead of viewing all of those who believe in ‘conspiracies’ as unstable, if you took a more honest and neutral look at it, you might realize most are stable, well educated and intelligent individuals who happened to figure out they were being deceived and thus have performed their own research.
Interestingly, pop culture, education, and even government sneer at these people and instead focus on those who are ‘educated’ and who, quite frankly, vote a specific way, as the stable ones. Classic conditioning of the masses to avoid people from learning truths that would deeply shake those in power.
The Results of The Study
More than 11,500 people were surveyed online by YouGov across nine countries: France, Germany, the UK, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, and the USA. Results were weighted to be representative of each country.
• 15% of Brexit leave voters and 11% of remain voters in Britain believed that, regardless of who was officially in charge in government, the world was run by a secret global cabal of people who control events together.
• 44% of people in the UK believe that “even though we live in what’s called a democracy, a few people will always run things in this country anyway”.
• Mistrust of authority was high in the UK, with 77% of people trusting journalists “not much” or “not at all”; 76% distrusting British government ministers; and 74% distrusting company bosses.
• Friends and family, by contrast, were trusted by 87% and 89% of respondents respectively, potentially adding credence to news sources shared by social media contacts.
• Remain voters were more likely (50%) to use social media regularly for news than leave voters (34%), and more likely to read a newspaper website (by 41% to 18%). Of those who got their news from social media, Facebook was used frequently by more leave voters than remainers (74% leave, 65% remain), while the opposite was true of Twitter (39% remain, 28% leave).
• Sweden gave the least amount credit to conspiracy theories, with 52% believing one or more of the theories polled by the researchers, as opposed to 85% for Hungary. In the US that figure was 64% and in France 76%. Sweden also happens to have a giant problem with free speech… they regularly prosecute and jail people for having unpopular opinions.
The Takeaway
We live in a fast-changing world. Not just in our evolution of technology and landscape, but in our collective consciousness. People are figuring out, on a mass scale, that things aren’t what they seem in this world and our evolution in individual consciousness is driving deep questioning into what is actually going on in our world. It may appear like a chaotic time, but it’s a necessary step in breaking down old beliefs and paradigms that allow us to give our power away to a small group of elite individuals who rule our entire world.
Now is the time for individual empowerment to create a strong collective. We do not rise under one country, government or belief system, but under an understanding and state of consciousness within that allows us to see we must take responsibility for our own lives and live from our hearts. As we practice this and let go of the way of the old, we will continue to see an incredible dismantling of a power structure that does not have our best interest at heart.
Each of us holds the key to changing within. If we focus there, things will continue to shift.
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/brexit-and-trump-voters-more-likely-to-believe-in-conspiracy-theories-survey-study-shows
Brexit and Trump voters more likely to believe in conspiracy theories, survey study shows
Latest research reveals the extent to which conspiracy theories have become “mainstream rather than marginal beliefs” across much of Europe and the US.
The largest cross-national study ever conducted on conspiracy theories suggests that around a third of people in countries such as the UK and France think their governments are “hiding the truth” about immigration, and that voting for Brexit and Trump is associated with a wide range of conspiratorial beliefs – from science denial to takeover plots by Muslim migrants.
The research, conducted as part of the University of Cambridge’s Conspiracy & Democracy project, and based on survey work from the YouGov-Cambridge centre, covers nine countries – US, Britain*, Poland, Italy, France, Germany, Portugal, Sweden, Hungary – and will be presented at a public launch in Cambridge on Friday 23 November.
According to project researcher Dr Hugo Leal, anti-immigration conspiracy theories have been “gaining ground” since the refugee crisis first came to prominence in 2015. “The conspiratorial perception that governments are deliberately hiding the truth about levels of migration appears to be backed by a considerable portion of the population across much of Europe and the United States,” he said.
In Hungary, where controversial Prime Minister Viktor Orban is regularly accused of stoking anti-migrant sentiment, almost half of respondents (48%) believe their government is hiding the truth about immigration. Germany was the next highest (35%), with France (32%), Britain (30%) and Sweden (29%) also showing high percentages of this conspiracy among respondents, as well as a fifth (21%) of those in the United States.
Close to half of respondents who voted for Brexit (47%) and Trump (44%) believe their government is hiding the truth about immigration, compared with just 14% of Remain voters and 12% of Clinton voters.
The researchers also set out to measure the extent of belief in a conspiracy theory known as ‘the great replacement’: the idea that Muslim immigration is part of a bigger plan to make Muslims the majority of a country’s population.
“Originally formulated in French far-right circles, the widespread belief in a supposedly outlandish nativist conspiracy theory known as the ‘great replacement’ is an important marker and predictor of the Trump and Brexit votes,” said Leal. Some 41% of Trump voters and 31% of Brexit voters subscribed to this theory, compared with 3% of Clinton voters and 6% of Remain voters.
Researchers also looked at a number of other popular conspiracy theories. Both Trump and Brexit voters were more likely to believe that climate change is a hoax, vaccines are harmful, and that a group of people “secretly control events and rule the world together”. “We found the existence of a conspiratorial worldview linking both electorates,” said Leal.
He describes the levels of science denial as an “alarming global trend”. In general, researchers found the idea that climate change is a hoax to be far more captivating for right-wing respondents, while scepticism about vaccines was less determined by “ideological affiliation”.
The view that “the truth about the harmful effects of vaccines is being deliberately hidden from the public” ranged from lows of 10% in Britain to a startling quarter of the population – some 26% – in France.
The conspiracy belief that a secret cabal “control events and rule the world together” varies significantly between European countries such as Portugal (42%) and Sweden (12%). Dr Hugo Drochon, also a researcher on the Leverhulme Trust-funded Conspiracy & Democracy project, suggests this has "public policy implications, because there are structural issues at play here too”.
“More unequal countries with a lower quality of democracy tend to display higher levels of belief in the world cabal, which suggests that conspiracy beliefs can also be addressed at a more ‘macro’ level,” said Drochon.
The research team assessed the levels of “conspiracy scepticism” by looking at those who refuted every conspiratorial view in the study. Sweden had the healthiest levels of overall conspiracy scepticism, with 48% rejecting every conspiracy put to them. The UK also had a relatively strong 40% rejection of all conspiracies. Hungary had the lowest, with just 15% of people not taken in by any conspiracy theories.
Half of both Remain and Clinton voters were conspiracy sceptics, while 29% of Brexit voters and just 16% of Trump voters rejected all conspiracy theories.
The question of trust, and which professions the public see as trustworthy, was also investigated by researchers. Government and big business came out worst across all countries included in the study. Roughly three-quarters of respondents in Italy, Portugal, Poland, Hungary and Britain say they distrusted government ministers and company CEOs. Distrust of journalists, trade unionists, senior officials of the EU, and religious leaders are also high in all surveyed countries.
Trust in academics, however, was still relatively high, standing at 57% in the US and 64% in Britain. “We hope these findings can provide incentive for academics to reclaim a more active role in the public sphere, particularly when it comes to illuminating the differences between verifiable truths and demonstrable falsehoods,” said Hugo Leal.
Apart from academics, only family and friends escape the general climate of distrust, with trust reaching levels between 80% and 90% in all countries. Leal argues that this might help explain the credibility assigned to “friend mediated” online social networks.
In all surveyed countries apart from Germany, about half the respondents got their news from social media, with Facebook the preferred platform followed by YouTube. Getting news from social media was less likely to be associated with complete scepticism of conspiracy theories – much less likely in countries such as the US and Italy.
Researchers found that consuming news from YouTube in particular was associated with the adoption of particular conspiratorial views, such as anti-vaccine beliefs in the US and climate change denial in Britain.
“A telling takeaway of the study is that conspiracy theories are, nowadays, mainstream rather than marginal beliefs,” said Leal. “These findings provide important clues to understanding the popularity of populist and nationalist parties contesting elections across much of the western world."
The survey was conducted by YouGov during 13-23 August 2018, with a total sample size of 11,523 adults and results then weighted to be “representative of each market”.
* Northern Ireland was not included in the survey.
Brexit and Trump voters more likely to believe in conspiracy theories, survey study shows
Latest research reveals the extent to which conspiracy theories have become “mainstream rather than marginal beliefs” across much of Europe and the US.
The largest cross-national study ever conducted on conspiracy theories suggests that around a third of people in countries such as the UK and France think their governments are “hiding the truth” about immigration, and that voting for Brexit and Trump is associated with a wide range of conspiratorial beliefs – from science denial to takeover plots by Muslim migrants.
The research, conducted as part of the University of Cambridge’s Conspiracy & Democracy project, and based on survey work from the YouGov-Cambridge centre, covers nine countries – US, Britain*, Poland, Italy, France, Germany, Portugal, Sweden, Hungary – and will be presented at a public launch in Cambridge on Friday 23 November.
According to project researcher Dr Hugo Leal, anti-immigration conspiracy theories have been “gaining ground” since the refugee crisis first came to prominence in 2015. “The conspiratorial perception that governments are deliberately hiding the truth about levels of migration appears to be backed by a considerable portion of the population across much of Europe and the United States,” he said.
In Hungary, where controversial Prime Minister Viktor Orban is regularly accused of stoking anti-migrant sentiment, almost half of respondents (48%) believe their government is hiding the truth about immigration. Germany was the next highest (35%), with France (32%), Britain (30%) and Sweden (29%) also showing high percentages of this conspiracy among respondents, as well as a fifth (21%) of those in the United States.
Close to half of respondents who voted for Brexit (47%) and Trump (44%) believe their government is hiding the truth about immigration, compared with just 14% of Remain voters and 12% of Clinton voters.
The researchers also set out to measure the extent of belief in a conspiracy theory known as ‘the great replacement’: the idea that Muslim immigration is part of a bigger plan to make Muslims the majority of a country’s population.
“Originally formulated in French far-right circles, the widespread belief in a supposedly outlandish nativist conspiracy theory known as the ‘great replacement’ is an important marker and predictor of the Trump and Brexit votes,” said Leal. Some 41% of Trump voters and 31% of Brexit voters subscribed to this theory, compared with 3% of Clinton voters and 6% of Remain voters.
Researchers also looked at a number of other popular conspiracy theories. Both Trump and Brexit voters were more likely to believe that climate change is a hoax, vaccines are harmful, and that a group of people “secretly control events and rule the world together”. “We found the existence of a conspiratorial worldview linking both electorates,” said Leal.
He describes the levels of science denial as an “alarming global trend”. In general, researchers found the idea that climate change is a hoax to be far more captivating for right-wing respondents, while scepticism about vaccines was less determined by “ideological affiliation”.
The view that “the truth about the harmful effects of vaccines is being deliberately hidden from the public” ranged from lows of 10% in Britain to a startling quarter of the population – some 26% – in France.
The conspiracy belief that a secret cabal “control events and rule the world together” varies significantly between European countries such as Portugal (42%) and Sweden (12%). Dr Hugo Drochon, also a researcher on the Leverhulme Trust-funded Conspiracy & Democracy project, suggests this has "public policy implications, because there are structural issues at play here too”.
“More unequal countries with a lower quality of democracy tend to display higher levels of belief in the world cabal, which suggests that conspiracy beliefs can also be addressed at a more ‘macro’ level,” said Drochon.
The research team assessed the levels of “conspiracy scepticism” by looking at those who refuted every conspiratorial view in the study. Sweden had the healthiest levels of overall conspiracy scepticism, with 48% rejecting every conspiracy put to them. The UK also had a relatively strong 40% rejection of all conspiracies. Hungary had the lowest, with just 15% of people not taken in by any conspiracy theories.
Half of both Remain and Clinton voters were conspiracy sceptics, while 29% of Brexit voters and just 16% of Trump voters rejected all conspiracy theories.
The question of trust, and which professions the public see as trustworthy, was also investigated by researchers. Government and big business came out worst across all countries included in the study. Roughly three-quarters of respondents in Italy, Portugal, Poland, Hungary and Britain say they distrusted government ministers and company CEOs. Distrust of journalists, trade unionists, senior officials of the EU, and religious leaders are also high in all surveyed countries.
Trust in academics, however, was still relatively high, standing at 57% in the US and 64% in Britain. “We hope these findings can provide incentive for academics to reclaim a more active role in the public sphere, particularly when it comes to illuminating the differences between verifiable truths and demonstrable falsehoods,” said Hugo Leal.
Apart from academics, only family and friends escape the general climate of distrust, with trust reaching levels between 80% and 90% in all countries. Leal argues that this might help explain the credibility assigned to “friend mediated” online social networks.
In all surveyed countries apart from Germany, about half the respondents got their news from social media, with Facebook the preferred platform followed by YouTube. Getting news from social media was less likely to be associated with complete scepticism of conspiracy theories – much less likely in countries such as the US and Italy.
Researchers found that consuming news from YouTube in particular was associated with the adoption of particular conspiratorial views, such as anti-vaccine beliefs in the US and climate change denial in Britain.
“A telling takeaway of the study is that conspiracy theories are, nowadays, mainstream rather than marginal beliefs,” said Leal. “These findings provide important clues to understanding the popularity of populist and nationalist parties contesting elections across much of the western world."
The survey was conducted by YouGov during 13-23 August 2018, with a total sample size of 11,523 adults and results then weighted to be “representative of each market”.
* Northern Ireland was not included in the survey.
This is all you need to know.
They're all liars; whichever version you consider.
They're all liars; whichever version you consider.
If the moon landings were faked then Russia would have wasted no time in humiliating the USA.
The key to unlocking any particular event which your own personal understanding leads you to a possibility of the truth not being as it has been presented is to fully research yourself and see where it takes you.
Do not accept that which is being portrayed as the truth. Look at history, the facts and the evidence. Make up your own mind.
If you can manage that then you have half a chance of understanding.
The problem is what can you do once you have made that journey ?
Sadly the answer is very little. You can point others in the general direction and hope they " Get It ;' but the reality is as per the age old cliche.... you can lead a horse to water but you cannot force it to drink
Do not accept that which is being portrayed as the truth. Look at history, the facts and the evidence. Make up your own mind.
If you can manage that then you have half a chance of understanding.
The problem is what can you do once you have made that journey ?
Sadly the answer is very little. You can point others in the general direction and hope they " Get It ;' but the reality is as per the age old cliche.... you can lead a horse to water but you cannot force it to drink
My conspiracy theory is that the proliferation on conspiracy theories, most of them totally
ridiculous, is a great way to hide real conspiratorial crimes and therefore encouraged.
If you believe 50 crack pot theories who will listen when you hit on the actual truth?
ridiculous, is a great way to hide real conspiratorial crimes and therefore encouraged.
If you believe 50 crack pot theories who will listen when you hit on the actual truth?
How can you be sure of that lybertyne? You only know what you've been told.
"Totally ridiculous" fair enough but which ones are you talking about?
Oddly enough I did read the other day that the Russians were going to look into the 1969 "landings" but does that mean they will have to give back all that wheat they took in the first place for their silence?
Oddly enough I did read the other day that the Russians were going to look into the 1969 "landings" but does that mean they will have to give back all that wheat they took in the first place for their silence?
Russia was exporting wheat to America at the time, foolish to bite the hand that feeds you
tm never seems to bother with facts.
The first moon landing was 1969. The Great Grain Robbery was 1972. I think you can safely say that if the USSR had any dirt on the moon landings in 1969/70/71 they would have let the rest of the work know sharpish.
The first moon landing was 1969. The Great Grain Robbery was 1972. I think you can safely say that if the USSR had any dirt on the moon landings in 1969/70/71 they would have let the rest of the work know sharpish.
Also they had a shortage in 1970,must do your homework,
And now Chaz is going to tell us his thoughts on the 2 documentary's in watched on the murder of JFK,over to you Charles
And now Chaz is going to tell us his thoughts on the 2 documentary's in watched on the murder of JFK,over to you Charles
Lovely put down chaz but how do you of all people know a fact from a fact?
In fairness you did point out that Silicon Valley workers are banning their children from using gadgets they are making for our children and grandchildren, the same really as Israel who have designed 5G,tested it,but WILL NOT have this wonderful techno in their own back yard!!
I think you'll find it was David Icke not me who said that. (apologies if this is posted twice)
Nov 28, 2018 -- 12:32PM, terry mccann wrote:
Also they had a shortage in 1970,must do your homework,And now Chaz is going to tell us his thoughts on the 2 documentary's in watched on the murder of JFK,over to you Charles
What's your source for this?
I thought I'd given my clear views on the JFK thread.
I do despair sometimes Charlie,like right now lets call it quits
lets call it quits
The figures of the so called Holocaust are totally different to the Red Cross figures, who would you believe ?
"In general, researchers found the idea that climate change is a hoax to be far more captivating for right-wing respondents"
As a far right-voter of sorts (I don't think of myself as far right, but I do vote for a party that has been labelled as far right by Britsh media) this annoys me greatly. The majority of the people who vote for my party don't think it's a hoax, but the proportion who do is no doubt higher than for other Swedish parties, and I don't doubt that there's the same correlation in other western countries. But take a look at Japan and South Korea. Both those countries have an attitude to multiculturalism and immigration that should make all parties in those countries "far right" and yet there are very few people in Japan and South Korea who think climate change is a hoax. Lower proportion than in any western country I think. In the future I think the correlation between attitude towards multiculturalism / immigration and belief in conspiracy theories could vanish in Europe too.
As a far right-voter of sorts (I don't think of myself as far right, but I do vote for a party that has been labelled as far right by Britsh media) this annoys me greatly. The majority of the people who vote for my party don't think it's a hoax, but the proportion who do is no doubt higher than for other Swedish parties, and I don't doubt that there's the same correlation in other western countries. But take a look at Japan and South Korea. Both those countries have an attitude to multiculturalism and immigration that should make all parties in those countries "far right" and yet there are very few people in Japan and South Korea who think climate change is a hoax. Lower proportion than in any western country I think. In the future I think the correlation between attitude towards multiculturalism / immigration and belief in conspiracy theories could vanish in Europe too.
yet there are very few people in Japan and South Korea who think climate change is a hoax
Why should anyone believe that?
Why should anyone believe that?
A report I read earlier claimed it was so, but now I've checked some more surveys, and in those Japan and South Korea didn't really stand out. My apologies. Now that I have thought about it for a couple of hours I've also begun to think that maybe it's not surprising that there's a tendency among nationalists to deny problems that can't be solved at a national level. People tend to believe what they want to believe. It annoys me nevertheless!
What are the problems you are talking about 'that can't be solved at a national level' which nationalists deny?
Yeah ive noticed the weather here in the UK change hugely in the last few years NOT!!, but what I have noticed is the near collapse of the Bee population,that a combo of spraying the crops and skies,kill the bees and we are fooked!
Climate change. It can't be solved at a national level. Thinking it's a hoax appears to be more common among nationalists.
A big money making hoax to the usual suspects, odd the BBC etc talk all the time about this but never once mention Chemtails, anyone in doubt,get off your phones and on a clear day look up,failing that have a look on the Internet,tons and tons of film of it.
I can't remember meeting anyone who denies that the earth's climate changes.
See what I mean about lies, even the accusation is a lie.
It does Doc,thats nature,nothing to do with us though,expect of course if you able to control the weather,now that's a different thing altogether, and unfortuntly they can and do
The climate has been changing a little in some countries like North California (but who's changing it) don't worry though as the trees are all fine, it's only the houses and businesses get vaporised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mufqnpT5_aI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mufqnpT5_aI
And as I say Doc prove me wrong, Fires that burn one house to ashes and the house next door isn't touched,hurricanes that go east to west,touch land,goes back out to sea then comes back,hows that happen then?
Gas Stations not touched when everything around it burned to the ground,the same with some Golf course, nah!perfectly normal, I wouldn't belive me but have a look online as Make my Hay says
Would Mmh or tm please explain what they think is going on and why?
I wouldn't worry about it if I were you Charlie, everything is ok.
Religion and Conspiracy theories opposite sides of the same coin.
Many inadequate people believe in them it helps their self esteem to feel superior to the non believers, a lot like religion. Very popular in the Middle East by coincidence.
Many inadequate people believe in them it helps their self esteem to feel superior to the non believers, a lot like religion. Very popular in the Middle East by coincidence.
there is one 'conspiracy' that appears to be true, and evidence strongly supports it, but the interweb loons like mcann and co. are not interested. it is the one that says putin blew up his own people in a series of apartment bombings, blamed it on moslem terrorists, and flattened chechnya, to roars of approval from the russian public. his popularity soared. maybe, because there is genuine evidence, they dont bother themselves, preferring confected nonsense from 1.01 headbangers like rich d hall? i dunno, but it is curious.
Nov 28, 2018 -- 6:34PM, TheBaron wrote:
Religion and Conspiracy theories opposite sides of the same coin. Many inadequate people believe in them it helps their self esteem to feel superior to the non believers, a lot like religion. Very popular in the Middle East by coincidence.
There's quite a lot of psychological studies to support what you say about conspiracy theories but haven't looked at the religious angle. Does make sense though.
Nov 28, 2018 -- 7:07PM, grappler wrote:
there is one 'conspiracy' that appears to be true, and evidence strongly supports it, but the interweb loons like mcann and co. are not interested. it is the one that says putin blew up his own people in a series of apartment bombings, blamed it on moslem terrorists, and flattened chechnya, to roars of approval from the russian public. his popularity soared. maybe, because there is genuine evidence, they dont bother themselves, preferring confected nonsense from 1.01 headbangers like rich d hall? i dunno, but it is curious.
As you probably know Russia and Chechnya have a long and bloodied history. Undoubtedly atrocities were carried out by both sides several times. I think you will find it very difficult to find out any reliable information about this. Muslims and bombs does ring a bell though. The, admittedly small number of Russians I know, do not believe it was a conspiracy i.e. it was the Chechynayans(?) that did it.
there is quite compelling evidence, supplied in error by the fsb itself. their agents were spotted by residents of a block that was about to go up in smoke. the local police arrested them, and they all produced fsb i.d, and local plod phoned moscow only to be told to let them go. when the residents, understandably, went radio about the 2 tons of hexagen(a high explosive) that had been planted in their underground car park the fsb changed tack, saying it was an 'exercise' to test local vigilance. utter bollox. there is plenty of evidence about the other attacks also, most interesting is the putin spokesman who announced the terrible atrocity committed by islamic terrorists several hours before it happened. fwiw the small number of russians i know(3) say it was another attempted mass-murder by the state.
the russian people have no idea. they have been kept in a giant prison for 100 years.it should be the richest, most prosperous country in the world, boasting, as it does, colossal resources that if harnessed rather than squandered, would make russia an earthly paradise. sadly, the union of soviet socialist republics(sic) and putins gangster state have destroyed it
the russian people have no idea. they have been kept in a giant prison for 100 years.it should be the richest, most prosperous country in the world, boasting, as it does, colossal resources that if harnessed rather than squandered, would make russia an earthly paradise. sadly, the union of soviet socialist republics(sic) and putins gangster state have destroyed it
hardly. not many russkies would use 'radio' as a synonym for bonkers. i strongly recommend david satter and his several books about russia, particularly 'the less you know, the better you sleep', an account of his expulsion from russia for 'anti-russian' behaviour. i.e telling the truth.
people are obsessed with the grotesque clown that is trump. but he is is transitory. bush, clinton, obarma, all come and gone. putin has seen them all off. 18 years in total control, with plenty more to come. but he is incredibly sensitive. say what you like about trump, he will not kill you(if he wanted to, the list would be too long) but putin? he will kill you. and your friends. and family. and what he wants, we should try to avoid as whats good for him is unlikely to be good for us. he wanted trump. he wanted brexit. he wanted scottish independence. he wanted lepen in france. he wanted afd in germany. he wanted catalonian independence. he wants nothing but division and distrust in western europe. he has stolen a huge chunk of ukraine and said to the west; what are you going to do about it? answer; nothing. its a fait accompli. he is now chewing up western ukraine. we make noises about it, but who wants to go to war? he knows this, and will press on into the baltic, and even scandinavia. and the leader of the british opposition is a puppet for the odious seumas milne, a putin apologist, liar and fraud.
people are obsessed with the grotesque clown that is trump. but he is is transitory. bush, clinton, obarma, all come and gone. putin has seen them all off. 18 years in total control, with plenty more to come. but he is incredibly sensitive. say what you like about trump, he will not kill you(if he wanted to, the list would be too long) but putin? he will kill you. and your friends. and family. and what he wants, we should try to avoid as whats good for him is unlikely to be good for us. he wanted trump. he wanted brexit. he wanted scottish independence. he wanted lepen in france. he wanted afd in germany. he wanted catalonian independence. he wants nothing but division and distrust in western europe. he has stolen a huge chunk of ukraine and said to the west; what are you going to do about it? answer; nothing. its a fait accompli. he is now chewing up western ukraine. we make noises about it, but who wants to go to war? he knows this, and will press on into the baltic, and even scandinavia. and the leader of the british opposition is a puppet for the odious seumas milne, a putin apologist, liar and fraud.
you would suggest? or you do? and ive just increased the mitolo medication by another bottle. 3 is too many, and pure greed. self-flagellation for me tomorrow. a circuit of the heath.
Grappler.not mention it only because ive not heard of it. Lets be real here,anything is possible when power and control is up for grabs.
he knows this, and will press on into the baltic, and even scandinavia. and the leader of the british opposition is a puppet for the odious seumas milne, a putin apologist, liar and fraud.
He will not do that, not even Putin is stupid enough. He knows full well that would genuinely start World War 3, NATO would defend their own members. If he was stupid enough then Gotland would probably be a target to stop NATO using it as a base to gain access to the Baltics, which is why the Swedish have been cosying up to America for years.
He will not do that, not even Putin is stupid enough. He knows full well that would genuinely start World War 3, NATO would defend their own members. If he was stupid enough then Gotland would probably be a target to stop NATO using it as a base to gain access to the Baltics, which is why the Swedish have been cosying up to America for years.
To answer Jack's original question, I'm struggling to think of one story that doesn't have major doubts surrounding it.
Talking of the Russian threat, The British played a part in supporting the Mujahideen who fought the Ruskies in Afghanistan. The M then went on to become al-Qa'eda.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8215187/National-Archives-Britain-agreed-secret-deal-to-back-Mujahideen.htm
Talking of the Russian threat, The British played a part in supporting the Mujahideen who fought the Ruskies in Afghanistan. The M then went on to become al-Qa'eda.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8215187/National-Archives-Britain-agreed-secret-deal-to-back-Mujahideen.htm
As for Human Induced climate change I'm not sure.. I believe that localised CC (due to people) is very real. Unsure about CC on a global level.
71% of Earth is covered by water. So virtually no people. Of the 29% landmass about a third of that is desert, so virtually no people.
I'm therefore not (yet) convinced people can affect global temperatures, weather patterns etc.
On a slight tangent I'm not sure how CC people square the circle of lifting the poorest out of poverty whilst reducing CC.
If/when the poorest in Africa, China and India become prosperous, they will demand far more meat in their diet (deforestation for grazing, methane gas from animals...) Africa is largely vegetarian at present due to poverty.
Then there will be demand for plastics, white goods, etc etc. Africa and very large parts of India have yet to have an industrial revolution..
71% of Earth is covered by water. So virtually no people. Of the 29% landmass about a third of that is desert, so virtually no people.
I'm therefore not (yet) convinced people can affect global temperatures, weather patterns etc.
On a slight tangent I'm not sure how CC people square the circle of lifting the poorest out of poverty whilst reducing CC.
If/when the poorest in Africa, China and India become prosperous, they will demand far more meat in their diet (deforestation for grazing, methane gas from animals...) Africa is largely vegetarian at present due to poverty.
Then there will be demand for plastics, white goods, etc etc. Africa and very large parts of India have yet to have an industrial revolution..
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