Ken Burns - The Civil War

Yeah it is.

Ken Burns is a master maker of documentaries.

Remember him when he played centre-back for Nottingham Forest. Hard as nails was Ken.

it's having a re-run on PBS America at the moment; and i'm pretty sure Netflix have it as well for anyone interested.

That would be the American Civil War, presumably.

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Sky 160 PBS America 4pm today?

Episode 2?

yes WD, first episode was on yesterday just before i posted

First episode for anyone who cares to watch


https://tos.brun.k12.va.us/apps/video/watch.jsp?v=102372

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Going to watch episode 2 right now on your advice!

WD tape it and watch the link i just put up

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Thanks, just series linked it on Virgin

you can't miss the egotist Custer! Great photos TMM

i'm sure you enjoy it. pumphol
perhaps enjoy is the wrong word.

*will

Well if its half as good as the World At War or the Great War I'm sure it will be.

i'd struggle to separate it from The World at War, pumphol

Yeah, it has a similar level of quality and depth of analysis as those series Pumphol. It makes up for the lack of moving film with very good use of photographs and narration of letters.

The 'main character' is Shelby Foote, a southern historian, who gives some excellent insights, though he was a bit controversial as considered somewhat partial to the Confederate cause.

Shelby Foote; what a wonderful voice and recollections. Totally agree, tobermory; the letter narration is heartbreaking when added to David McCulloughs post script

i was really looking forward to Ken Burns "The West" which he did some years later; good, but it got lost somewhere along the way, and i ended up slightly disappointed. I suppose one masterpiece is enough in anyones lifetime

I remembered from earlyage around the late 60's as their was a collection of very gory  collectors cards size of playing cards with really shocking depictions of civil war battles, I mentioned it once on here probably 10 years back not sure what the cards were called, maybe someone will remember them, gonna try to look it up.

Topps cards

Here's a prime example

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/card-profile/189323/1962-Topps-Civil-War-News-Death-Battle-47-Non-Sports-Card-Value-Prices.htm

Just started to watch this again - Episode 1, 15 minutes in..............In 1860, 1 in 7 of Americans was owned by another American.   

Mind you this war was far more than just about slavery.

Oh, and Shelby D Foote Jr is masterful in the whole series.

Baphornet - "I suppose one masterpiece is enough in anyones lifetime"     You should see Baseball and the Vietnam War.    The bloke is close to a genius.

I've watched both Blackbarn and although very worthy; Civil War was imvho, his masterpiece

i did mean to say earlier that KB was 37 when Civil War was first shown. I would guess he was a lot younger when he started the epic

It was all about slavery really. 'States Rights' to make slavery legal in the state.

By the end of it people may have had different objectives but slavery was the cause.

cotton a pall bearer as well; which of course is in much the same vein

This country did consider supporting the South

Our cotton industry was very badly hit, we needed the raw cotton from the South, which the North blockaded.

We decided not to in the end, well we were against Slavery ourselves.

Also if the South did not win, it could have cost us Canada

Which channel Virgin Media, I would like to watch.

Immediately Abraham Lincoln was elected the Civil War started.

The South always knew he was anti slavery

When it finished Lincoln was assassinated, all he knew was war.

UR: this is a link for the 1st episode, i'm sure someone will help you with VM later. Give it a watch and see what you think


https://tos.brun.k12.va.us/apps/video/watch.jsp?v=102372

ta Baphornet...

I think the men from both sides fought bravely. for their states.

Slavery was evil it had to be ended.

Although sadly it did not change the life of the freed slaves a lot....most had to continue working on the cotton

plantations for a low wage, with accommodation deducted and had to buy their own food.

It was that stupid assassination ruined everything, it meant there no reconciliation with the South as Lincoln intended.

who continued to view the black man oretty much as before.

UBLE/REGY   

Which channel Virgin Media, I would like to watch.


Channel 276

ta pumphol

I don't think reconciliation would have been Lincoln's priority.

All his documentaries are wonderful Blackbarn but I agree - Baseball, Jazz, Civil War, Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson, Jackie Robinson and Vietnam were arguably his best - in no particular order. He is currently working on Country Music (I`ll give that one a miss) which is being released next year. PBS channel regularly show his one off documentaries.

Other Ken Burns documentaries:

Brooklyn Bridge (1981)
The Shakers: Hands to Work, Hearts to God (1984)
The Statue of Liberty (1985)
Huey Long (1985)
The Congress (1988)
Thomas Hart Benton (1988)
Empire of the Air: The Men Who Made Radio (1991)
Thomas Jefferson (1997)
Lewis & Clark: The Journey of the Corps of Discovery (1997)
Frank Lloyd Wright, with Lynn Novick (1998)
Not For Ourselves Alone: Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony (1999)
Mark Twain (2001)
Horatio's Drive: America's First Road Trip (2003)
The War (2007, 7 episodes)
The National Parks: America's Best Idea (2009)
Prohibition, with Lynn Novick (2011)
The Dust Bowl (2012)
The Central Park Five (2012)
Yosemite: A Gathering of Spirit (2013)
The Address (2014)
The Roosevelts: An Intimate History (2014)
Defying the Nazis: The Sharps' War (2016)

perhaps

But he was President of the whole of the United States

The United States had come perilously close to splitting into 2 countries

tobermory

He had a minor acting role in the brilliant Civil War movie Gettysburg where he played a junior officer on Hancock`s staff.

Burns that is not tobermory

If the North had lost

There would a Northern United States(slavery illegal)

and a Southern United States(slavery legal)

I think you mean the United States of America and the Confederate States of America which they already had when the Southern states seceded from the Union.

of course

whatever side and whatever cause, however noble; this was the most obscene of wars. Never ever again should this world of ours see brother bayoneting brother, father shooting son, uncle blowing up uncle, and mother losing her whole family. Politicians; even the best of them, have no right in this life to ask that of another soul

I agree Baphornet

Civil wars can the most vicious of wars, it seems when we are fighting those we know and love? our violence gets even worse.

Did he ask Abraham Lincoln?, immediately he was elected the war started

His original policy was No slavery in the New States being opened up in the West, he never said anything about the Southern states?


Still Slavery was as evil as killing our own kith and kin

The South believed they were fighting for their whole way of life

The tragedy of war

The bravery of the men who fought and died on both sides, can not be questioned.

They did what they believed was their duty, and their women supported them as they should(we must not forget their sacrifice)

a damn site braver than the politicians, UR.

i found this the other day . It's the 1st episode of Ken Burns "The West" which i mentioned earlier on this topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3_U805fz24

agree with opening post -- i've watched it over and over

and what a tune:
https://youtu.be/2kZASM8OX7s

Not sure how I haven't watched this yet will put it on my list. My wife has been doing her ancestry lately and found out she had a slave owning ancestor

there's a link above, Hank for the 1st episode; give it a watch and see if it drags you in; like the rest of us

fantastic tune DFMS

I'm sure it will Baphornet. I have read quite a lot of civil war stuff and went to Vicksburg Mississippi which has a huge National Military Park with civil war battlegrounds in. It is indeed a fascinating event.