We're being stitched up on Brexit

No intention at all of abiding by the referendum result.

Hard not to think like that given how May seems unworried by her current predicament.

The so called 'negotiations' of the past eighteen months were so weak on the UK's behalf the real agenda is obvious. Any decent negotiator worth the title would have played hardball and secured us a great deal months ago.

We're fooked

we all know their will be controlled 2nd vote.

not aftertiming iv'e said this from day 1-NOTHING MUCH WILL CHANGE.

like mays "effort" in the last general election, tried her best to lose,could not have run a worse campaign if they tried.

the damage was done when she signed article 50. She knew exactly what she was doing. We should have just left; with a middle finger pointing straight across the channel

Ibrahima Sonko • November 21, 2018 10:54 PM GMT
we all know their will be controlled 2nd vote.

I've believed all along that a 2nd vote would return a different result to the original referendum . I am certain that the majority of votes cast would still be in favour of leaving the EU , but they would simply declare the result that they wanted all along . Electoral fraud is not limited to third world dictatorships .

The fact the Tories don't seem to mind if they deliver a Corbyn government tells you a lot. They know:

If we leave the EU we're out for good

If we give them Corbyn we'll be back in no time

And the Great British public fall for it every time

We'll have the Euro within 5 years

I cannot believe she's getting away with it

Where are the so called "hard brexiteers"?

Good grief, we're into some full on X-Files conspiracy nonsense now

Even if we "leave" her deal means we still pay the money,thats billions with nothing in return

slowly asphyxiated by a woman is a bad way to go. What you are watching now is a drip by drip loss of sovereignty and territorial integrity; even the Spanish are now after a strip of flesh. Sad to see, and even sadder that a fight isn't being put up by the cowards of Westminster

At least Hanx has realised that his vote has counted for nothing....never has and never will do. The sooner people realise that it's big business that runs politics, the better. Ultimately, they are the ones that make the laws, it's the politicians who place them. So with that in mind, we leave without a deal, which means that EU countries can't trade with us. Well that won't last, how long will the German government last when Audi, Bmw, Volkswagen can't sell their cars? Citroen in France the same, Spanish hoteliers when they've realised that there are a few other countries that have warm weather for Brits to go to. Greece and Italy are skint and the rest of the Mickey Mouse countries offer nothing but take everything..and as for Ireland and its border, just build a wall and for all I care give Gibraltar to Spain, fugg all there anyway except for a few monkeys.

here lies the problems, you have a government minister telling a business man his business (on politics live)

I think the over involvement of 'business' in  Brexit has been 90% of the problem

Ever since the referendum result was known, the question has been largely about trade with a little bit of immigration cheese on top.

Unfortunately all you "trade experts" suddenly come out of the wood work and blather on endlessly, which incidentally is exactly what the globalist wanted, you’ve been effortlessly shifted onto accepting their rules of the game.

The Brexit result was when the people finally woke up to the fact their lives are controlled by a bunch of globalists who couldn't care less about our democracy or national sovereignty. Soros, Blair, the CBI, BoE, hand in glove with global business all of them people or organisations dedicated to the destruction of our national sovereignty, and that of other countries.

The global trade regime has been created to make it as easy as possible for the biggest investors and global corporations to write the rules, (incidentally if you look at America and NAFTA you'll find exactly the same arguments put forward for leaving that organisation - a lack of sovereignty, an undemocratic structure, and to much control by corporate/ banker interest).

So Brexit wasn't about leaving the EU it should have been about reestablishing global national sovereignty, not simply trying to get a better deal for the UK, because the simple truth is those who want to turn back Brexit are also the very same people who also control the global economy, therefore Brexit never made any sense.

We live in a globalised world controlled by powerful banking and financial interest they don't want us to upset the apple cart, so Brexit will finally be their victory not ours, because as soon as we started blathering about trade and not sovereignty we'd already lost

Merkel also said in 2010 that "multiculturism has utterly failed" and then a few years later invites 1 million people from hugely alien cultures to pitch up to her country, leading to massive internal turmoil.

That idiot is not exactly new at fundamentally contradicting herself.

I find it perplexing that she's telling us all its what we want

Don't we or her party or Labour etc get a say in this ?

"its my way or the high way"

Tell her to f*** off

How DID it get from "no deal is better than a bad deal" to "my deal or no brexit"? She should be hammered if she goes with that.

Question: Given that we've activated article 50, if parliament can't decide anything as Labour and the SNP etc are being dicks for their own political reasons .. do we just leave anyway UNLESS May stops it?

I don't think I've seen this explained. To me, that must be what'll happen. The train is in motion down the hill, squabbling won't change it, the procedure is activated and the EU don't care about our internal arguments.