American man killed by the Sentinelese tribe

If he wants to convert unbelievers people with backwards beliefs he could start with people who think "grime" is music.

The family of a US man reportedly killed by arrows fired by members of an endangered tribe in India's Andaman and Nicobar islands have said they forgive those who killed him. In a statement, they said John Allen Chau "loved God, life, helping those in need, and had nothing but love for the Sentinelese people". Mr Chau's family released a statement on Instagram, saying he had gone to the island of "his own free will".

"We also ask for the release of those friends he had in the Andaman Islands. He ventured out of his own free will and his local contacts need not be persecuted for his own actions," the statement said.

Its a win win for the religious nutters.  You either save their souls or die a martyr.

most mums would be in hysterics and inconsolable before musting up enough strength to yell obsenities as the perpetrators and vowing revenge/justice. Bible belt in American somehwat different, we forgive you, Amen. Carries on doing the washing.

arrowman haiku

one man in a boat
communication breakdown
tribesmen made good points

I'm afraid he got what he deserved;he deliberately put himself into a situation where he must have known he'd be killed.A nutter if he really believed he was going to convert them.

A nutter if he genuinely believed that there was anything to actually convert them to

Sure these sentileeserists are the crew that come to the mother in laws every chrimbo to dip thar speers in her soup ,can confirm the poor chap had no chance .

Way back in the day christians went out to convert heathens, and died, it's not that different.

A devout christian will likely believe he's doing them a favour as if he converts them he'll save their eternal soul etc.

I mean it has worked in the past. Christianity tends to have been spread by men like him, unlike the religion of peas which seems have been spread by force.

I mean didn't people turn up and covert vikings from the Norse gods and so on, never mind in africa.

The natives were equally dangerous in Africa

Wouldn’t it have been better if he came back home after he was shot at with an arrow directly into his bible
quite a good story maybe his prayers had been answered
but he pushed his luck

For some reason I just had a mental image of the demise of the ships captain in Black Adder when he jumped onto the beach full of natives :)

What was the quote, "he made a third rate sailor, but a first rate second course".

You really think Christianity wasn't spread by force ?

It depends what you mean , you may as well say the English language was spread by force , or football , or cricket , or Agatha Christie novels
I don’t know

Look at it this way , if we set aside the possibility of infectious deceases ( just in the abstract )
Then is it not prefererable that these people have the possibility of reading an Agatha Christie novel ?

The reason NO CONTACT is needed is to protect these people, it was deemed by people whom we assume know of these things

they must be left as they are. ANY CONTACT would endanger them

So it was hardly a Christian act to attempt to CONTACT these people was it?. It was also illegal, not Christian either.

What was he trying to do, find Livingstone?


Well I have some sympathy for his parents unless thy pushed him to it. As for  himself, I am afraid a Darwin award is the best he can

hope for, always awarded posthumously of course.

He should have taken underpants as gifts.

The natives in Africa didn’t have any underpants until the British Christians arrived

You think their modesty is an issue, or lack of???????

Looking at Wikipedia it is estimated they are between 40 1nd 500 people.

It is feared they would not be capable of dealing with any modern diseases or infections, it could kill them all, the reason

for the NO CONTACT order.

Efforts have to contact them in the past but are usually greeted with a volley of arrows, they seem to prefer their isolation.

They have survived Tsunamis, but must be in danger of extinction I would have thought?

Underpants separate men from savages.

only if they're white

More importantly: Underpants separate pubes from zips!

(Though I realise these natives wearing zipped clothing is a long shot. They are normally button fly).

there’s no doubt that this young man was trying to civilise them

although it went badly awry

Lucky b*stards. Only people in the world not getting spammed about Black Friday.

I've read they've been on that island for 30,000 years.  Curiosity is a key factor of being human.  I wonder why they lack it.

Trumps going to nuke them,very very bad people he sayed...

someone say a little prayer for the gigglo he’s too silly to do so

I think we should try to make contact.  May I suggest we send Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott as envoys?  Should anything happen to them then we should have back-up envoys to send in.  Perhaps Bono and Lily Allen.

There's quite a few of them lybertine, probably better if we sent all 4 together to make contact. And while we're at it send Phillip Davies & Esther McVey too

The utter arrogance of Christian missionaries is staggering.

Indeed, hoping kindness and free gifts would make savages more civilised, what a numpty.

you have forgotten the underpants saddo

If the more underpantsy you are the more civilised you are, sumo wrestlers must be the consumate gentlemen.

All these people ask for is privacy....they have a right to it

If they are happy as they are leave them to it

It would be interesting if we could observe them while remaining invisible ourselves....
I don't if this may be technically possible

We have a chance here to observe us, as we were in the past


But we must not endanger them under any circumstances...so numpties please away

stay away

There is an episode of south park where we master space travel and the evangelical christians see this as an oportunity to go convert alien life  ;)

At the time I thought it wasn't so much far fetched as a plausible thing!

Sure we would all love to do the same when the Jehovahs knock on your door.

Nosey preaching koont

lovegod

He said Jehovah! Stone him!

The only people who saw him die are the 'fishermen' who took him out there, they would have been paid by Chau to take him there and have taken the money knowing it was illegal to do so. I believe the 'fishermen'are the ones to have been arrested over this.The same fishermen later accompanied police back to the point on the island where they believed the body was buried before the stand-off, but the police have not spotted the body. The 'fishermen' say, once killed they dragged Chau's body along the beach and buried him, yet a couple of other 'fishermen' have been killed by the tribe before, and their bodies were apparently put up on spikes for show.

They should have ipads, iphones and whatnot dropped into their island from a helicopter, slowly coerce and intergrate them into the 21st Century, I say slowly, it's actually jumping several thousand years.

I'd like to know what their views are on Brexit.

I wonder what an advanced Alien civilisation would think of us? Answers on a postcard to the usual address

I should of known better than to post up an interesting point on a story, expecting an intelligent response from a bunch of p1ssed up & friendless geriatrics.

No offence

The utter arrogance of Christian missionaries is staggering

Indeed, there's something inherently wrong with the whole missionary position.

I should of known better than to post up an interesting point on a story, expecting an intelligent response from a bunch of p1ssed up & friendless geriatrics.


I agree and I am one of them

Since it was illegal to go to this island because it would endanger the population

why would anyone go there?

No one can arrest the indians that killed him, so no one is allowed to make contact.

as not so

as not so

I read your post joe but thought the idea of a man who's life experience is reminiscent of those walking the earth 10's of thousands of years ago, holding an ipad, was an interesting thought imo.

The internet and social media will prove the end of civilisation as we know it.

Kids, grand-kids etc the world over visit and spend their time glued to a mobile phone.

I'm not sure what the fascination is with this tribe . They seem far more advanced than the tribe currently causing havoc across Europe

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I think Badjoe was implying the fishermen robbed and killed the guy and threw him overboard, knowing that no one is sending Poirot on to that island to figure it out.

scandanavian_haven    26 Nov 18 00:30 
I read your post joe but thought the idea of a man who's life experience is reminiscent of those walking the earth 10's of thousands of years ago, holding an ipad, was an interesting thought imo.




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Nov 26, 2018 -- 1:27AM, tobermory wrote:

I think Badjoe was implying the fishermen robbed and killed the guy and threw him overboard, knowing that no one is sending Poirot on to that island to figure it out.

It's amazing how the press have taken word for word the fishermen's account for what happened as gospel with no other witnesses to collaborate it, but it is a good story and good stories sell, why let the truth get in the way of profit . It may well be true, but here is a little extract from an article in the the guardian....

According to Chau’s diaries, which he gave to the fishermen before departing for the island a final time, the American wanted to “declare Jesus” to the Sentinelese, whose home forms part of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, an Indian territory scattered across the Bay of Bengal and Andaman Sea.

The Guardian understands an investigation is officially continuing against the seven men accused of helping Chau reach the island. The absence of a body will complicate efforts to issue a formal death certificate, the source said.

Why would he give these men his diaries? , when if he made contact with the Sentinelese, he could have added so much more to them, and as evidence of his quest, been more documented.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/28/
india-body-john-allen-chau-missionary-killed-by-sentinelese-tribe

He did make a video beforehand asking his family not to blame the natives if they kill him.

If the fisherman had killed him.....then he must had something on him to make it worth killing him?

If the island can be observed at a safe distance, perhaps someone may see the body of the missionary.
and somebody may be able to slip ashore and remove it, it would be risky if the Indians observed this.

Otherwise it is just guess work, nobody must contact these people, those are the rules.

I would expect the fisherman who took him to the island to be punished, they knew the rules.

I see the fisherman aw him being killed, his body dragged and then buried.

So they should have some idea where his body is.

But there is still the problem and getting someone ashore to dig it up, risky.

A frogman at midnight if the location is known???

The natives should be taken to court, it’s possible there are millions of people like the Sentinelese living in London today

They have been known to dig em back up a few days after burying em before now, authorities are watching and waiting I think.

How can they be taken to court if they cannot be contacted?

You could try them in their absence and find them guilty, butt they cannot be contacted, so no arrests can be made.


You think there are millions of Sentinelese living in London today.

That seems unlikely lfc1971

What do they do with the body once they have dug it up Saddo?

What do they do with the body once they have dug it up Saddo?

There is probably no medical reason why they can’t be contacted , that’s just an excuse for their bad behavior

"like the Sentinalese", I think he meant savages.

They propped one up with a stick on the beach, blue.

Can you imagine what the world was like before the British empire ?
well that is what it was like

No underpants.

In England ( in the past at least ) when you lay beneath a fir tree reading a book, you were praying

In Sentinelese they don’t do that , well they don’t have any books

That’s not good , that ought to be clear to even the most wooden of wooden heads

I wonder does it rain on the island , that would be nice and natural and consoling at least

Their island, their rules lfc1971?

I would doubt the Sentinelese know what a book is myself?


You think the British Empire was created to educate people lfc1971(and show them the benefit of underpants)

I think it was to make money myself.

To be fair the British Empire treated the natives of these countries we occupied a little better than some other

European countries.

I would think it rains sometimes on their island, otherwise it would be barren.

No Indians at all, or any other animal or plant.

If people think the fisherman murdered the missionary then threw him overboard, I would think finding his blood on the boat would


the only chance of proving this. Unless his body is washed up on some other island.


The police are not going to land on this island as it endangers the Indians, this threat is not hypothetical.

That’s nonsense

the fishermen didn’t do it of course

You have only to read the account , it’s in the missionary’s own words

It’s a difficult prospect trying to civilise a secluded tribe but it a good thing to try

Definition of 'civilise' required

Very good Reynard

1] Human rights group Survival International said it was possible that Chau had infected the tribe with pathogens to which they have no immunity, "with the potential to wipe out the entire tribe".[


Chau was the missionary, this is an appalling to risk, he is no Christian with me. Jesus did not go around infecting people with plague.


If anyone thinks this not a risk.

Then a good example is the Spanish conquest of Central and South America.

As well as having a better weapons technology, horses, muskets better steel.

The Spanish best weapon was the dirt they carried with them. This caused great plagues among the S.American civilisations

at that time, preventing them offering co ordianted resistance to the Spanish.


It also affected our conquest of N.America, in the aerly Indian wars as we attempted to gain a foothold.

Again the Indians died in large numbers thanks to very dirt we carried.


Even though we are now cleaner, there could still be a risk posed to the Sentinelese Indians.

They should send a Drone in


Btw, how did this tribe manage to get to this isolated island 60,000 years ago?

Maybe they were trafficked or maybe they were economic migrants

This island may have had a benefits system that was 60,000 years ahead of its time ?

sea levels must have been much lower

ebul I think you will find there were no civilisations in South America before the European Christians arrived

do you know the aztecs sacrificed men,  women and children to their gods , to such an extent that the tears of the children fell down the beautiful mountainsides like rain

Definition of 'civilisations' required

Paris , France 1874 would be my definition of civilisation ( of course there are others but that is my favourite time and place )

perhaps Britain 1965 comes close , or even surpasses

Surely nobody in their right mind, so I'm excluding lfc, could argue with UBLE/REGY's 2:57 post.

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ebul I think you will find there were no civilisations in South America before the European Christians arrived

do you know the aztecs sacrificed men,  women and children to their gods , to such an extent that the tears of the children fell down the beautiful mountainsides like rain

Well the Incas of S.America did not do this.....
The Aztecs did do human sacrifice bur still had a civilization...
The Spanish were hardly much better they burnt non Catholics at the Stake

Islands are entitled to defend themselves

What has our own island just done voted for Brexit...so we can control immigration

Of course we use passport and custom control

but what if immigrants still get in?

Maybe we could consider arrows, by and large it works for the Sentinelese Indians


Civilisation as an ordered society that it's inhabitants want, you do not seem to understand this lfc 1971

nonsense ebul , I think more people died than wanted to die in the Aztec ‘ civilisation ‘

I do not think anyone wants to die lfc1971 do you?

I would have  to do some research on the Aztecs tbh.

The Spaniards did everything they did for GOLD they used religion as cover.


Back to this case this missionary's actions risked causing disease, epidemics and even destruction to these people.

This was neither a civilised or Christian act, it was extremely thoughtless and very bad.

I have absolutely no sympathy with this missionary whatsoever, he got what he deserved, I hope his body does not harm

these people.


Perhaps controlled contact which poses no risk to these people may be achievable in the future.

But they are probably reasonably happy as they are, what we have never had, we don't miss.

We do not all need the latest iPhone to achieve happiness.

Looks like Mr Chau's family can forget about getting the body for a funeral..

Indian authorities say they have no plans to recover the body of John Allen Chau, an American missionary who was killed by members of an isolated tribe on a remote island.

An anthropologist involved in the case told the Guardian authorities had concluded that for now it was impossible to retrieve the remains of Chau without provoking further conflict with the Sentinelese, the small tribe who populate North Sentinel Island.

“We have decided not to disturb the Sentinelese,” said the anthropologist, who asked not to be named. “We have not tried to contact them for the past many days, and have decided not to continue trying.”

He said it had been determined that any further efforts to retrieve Chau’s body carried an unacceptably high “possibility of clash between the outsiders and the Sentinelese”.

“We should not hamper their sentiments,” he said. “They shoot arrows on any invader. That is their message, saying don’t come on the island, and we respect this.”

He said there were concerns that continued surveys of the island could force the Sentinelese to disrupt their daily patterns to begin guarding the island more closely – further disrupting a community that Indian government policy says should be left alone.

He said the message had been relayed to the US embassy in Delhi. “They understand the situation and are not pressing us,” the source said.

Btw, how did this tribe manage to get to this isolated island 60,000 years ago?

I think it was a sea level thing yeah. Every time there was a pause in the ice ages there would be a big rise in sea level.

Likely they were part of a larger tribe in a coastal area and and then one day they are cut off and that was that.

The island was never colonized because it is way too difficult to get to. I read there are only 2 months a year a ship can approach land without being cut to pieces by the coral reefs and even then it is a big possibility for a wreck. When the British first sailed past in the 1700s and saw black people on the beach they assumed they were survivors of a slave ship wreck and had only been there 10 years or so. Maybe 100,000 years