Diabetes prescriptions now cost NHS £1bn, figures show

STUDY you should know better by now.

I'm happy, Denzil to accept your views on diet and understand it's something you both understand and are vehement about, however I'm less inclined to agree with crippen, who is a conspiracy theorist, makes stuff up, knows nothing much about anything, and for you, is an unfortunate bedfellow.

He never did answer this:

What exactly does STUDYPORN suffer from?

Diabetes?
Hypertension - Nap.
Cholesterol issues?
Heart disease?
Psoriasis?

And of course the obvious mental problems.

I'd say there's a strong possibility that drink could be implicated as well.

Are you repeating an earlier stupid post, crippen, in a bid to keep the thread near the top (your accusation to me)? Or is it because you genuinely think it was in some way vaguely amusing (it isn't, you don't possess a sense of humour)?

You really are a twt.

Anyway to indulge you and for some sport...

You never did ask me it. As you can see you were talking about me and not to me.
And
Even if you had, why would I want to tell you?
Suffice it to say, as with everything else you write on this forum, you are almost entirely wrong.


But for you to apportion mental problems to me shows a massive lack of awareness of your own substantial shortcomings.

Shall we look at you answering ANY of the very many questions I have put to you, or will you get the post removed again?

You really are a twt.


Hypertension - Nap.

Full bank on this one.

BSR Last three mornings without medication

5.4,4.9,4.8.

I don't know if I should stay off the meds but while readings remain like that I think I will.

You certainly should not take any medication with excellent readings like those. You'd be likely to send your blood sugar too low and pass out.

Looks like you only needed to adjust your diet and didn't need medication at all.

This is what we've said all along, GPs can't wait to get people on drugs, because that is what they're taught to do. They don't consider any other approach.

This is what we've said all along, GPs can't wait to get people on drugs, because that is what they're taught to do. They don't consider any other approach.

No. It's what YOU have been saying, and it's total, utter complete, MADE-UP, scurrilous rubbish.
You know nothing about anything.

G. Hall. 8 or 9 is quite high if a morning, fasting reading. Check it just before, and again 2 hours after, dinner.
Then talk to a doctor. Get proper advice and don't endanger your health at the whim of a no-mark like crippen.

STUDYFORM is an utter buffoon.

STUDYFORM - it wasn't anywhere near 8 or 9 you thick clown.

G Hall, listen to him at your peril. You'll end up as sick as he is if you're not careful.

Advising people to take medication when it clearly isn't needed, what an idiot.

Go and take a tablet before you give yourself a nose bleed.

So as well as a twt, an idiot and a troll, you're a liar.

Again... WHERE have I advised taking medication?
Well?

You told him to go and see his doctor before taking any action.

Even though his readings are now normal, where have you old him to stop taking the drug?
That's the same as advising him to risk hypoglycaemia by taking drugs that obviously aren't required.

You should keep quiet if you don't know what you're talking about you fool.

Took another reading two hours after breakfast this morning,it was 5.7 so that looks pretty ok. I will monitor closely and try and control it without medication.

Since I have been on metformin I have been freezing cold especially at night time,I hope this is one of the side effects and doesn't persist.

G Hall this approach is clearly working well for you it should be common sense to continue what you're doing without the meds as you have the practical evidence to back your findings against any counter arguments.

Thanks denzil I have cut out as much sugar as I can, and I have greatly reduced carbs but increased protein, and drink plenty of water. It seems to be working,I am afraid that if I keep taking the meds with the change of diet,may cause the sugar levels to drop too much into the hypoglycemia territory.

Thanks Studyform I appreciate the reply,I hope your right.

Thanks Studyform appreciate the comments and will kept further opinion after Xmas hopefully I can beat it.

It looks good, fwiw, imo. Mr Hall.
My own situation has improved with weight loss, as it happens, although total reversal is not probable. As with anyone who has an issue they're concerned about, I've looked into it quite deeply and as my partner (A medical professional - as I keep saying) will re-iterate, we're all different. So you need to do what is best for you.

I have no more desire to argue with a twt, so I'll leave this thread here. Don't let the fear of diabetes spoil your Xmas.

STUDYPORN in full meltdown mode again today.

The stress he displays in his hysterical posts can't be good for his health.

That 18:05 post from him is a beauty; I'll keep a copy that to remind me of what I'm dealing with when he blows his top.

Perhaps you could keep a copy of some of those you had removed.
Remind you of what you're dealing with when you look in a mirror.

I'll leave this thread here.

That didn't last long. You're soon back humping my leg!

I'll leave this thread here.

That didn't last long. You're soon back humping my leg as usual.

BSR This morning 5.2,so pretty happy with that but I wish I could put back on a few pounds lots of people asking me if I'm ok,as my weight is well down.

G Hall.
The normal range after fasting is 4.4 - 6.1
So 5.2 is fine.

Now you've proved for yourself that diet is vital in controlling blood sugar, the knowledge you have gained will stand you in good stead for a healthy future.

Check BMI here.
https://bmi-chart.info/bmi-calculator

Remember visceral fat is your enemy.
The less belly fat the better.

Cheers Dr will do

Wish I'd get to the part where I lose weight with my diabetes

Just heard on Talk Radio, the most likely time of the year to have a heart attack is Christmas Eve, at 10 PM.
The risk doubles on Christmas Eve.
Especially for people who suffer the usual such as diabetes, high blood pressure, angina, stress.

So people of a highly strung nature such as our own STUDYFORM, should go easy on the booze.

And calm down.

You have to keep bringing the thread to the top, don't you? (weird, given that this was YOUR unfounded accusation of me)
With a load of typically humourless, completely wrong, crap.

you just appear sad.


So very sad.

It's pitiful.

I felt it was my duty to issue a warning about the increased risk for heart attacks during the festive period.
Especially for types of a highly stung nature such as STUDYFORM, who suffers most the health conditions included in metabolic syndrome.

But look what I get for my concern. The kindness thrown back in my face.

But as usual I'll forgive him, which shows the kind of guy I am.

Evening Dr C you make a good point after all this is an anonymous forum where nobody has to say anything helpful or anything at all kindness is the correct word for such important advice.

Evening Denzel.
Most people go through life completely unaware of the effects that food can have on their health.

The information we've both posted on this thread which should be common knowledge, is instead restricted to private medicine. And we both know why.

Denzil, your post is a tad disappointing. I HAD given you credit for being more sensible than the idiot troll crippen, then you go and give him some of the recognition he craves (you'll find n0ot many others, if any, will do the same).

Are you both the same person?

STUDY my post is a genuine one highlighting the fact that if anyone knows anything that could be worthwhile it isn't obligatory to do so therefore they do this out of kindness not witholding non common knowledge that could benefit someone else.
I don't come on here to be for against anyone as my posts should show regularly agree or disagree with someone on various threads out of right or wrong,I don't just agree/disagree out of personal loyalty or to suit myself my mind is open and my ego doesn't get in the way of learning or being wrong.

*to post isn't obligatory

Saying all that could be my other self by the afternoon.

Or is it I who smacks his bottom? paranoia looms large on the shoulder of STUDY.

Paranoia is a bad sign credit should be given to the imagination of new characters and the dedication to see them through as they are very time consuming,you also have to remember whom you've upset with which identity all hail Dr C.

OK, you've proved you're not him... You show signs of humour.

Give STUDY his due, he always makes us laugh.

Unfortunately he rarely sets out to.

Hmmm.... "us"
A delusional belief that others concur.

he rarely posts anything without taking a swipe at another poster.

See what I mean - he can't help himself, lol.

From The Independent January 2018 Food is medicine - so why aren't our doctors trained in the science of nutrition?

Nutrition is so obviously important to any member of the public that I’m often met with disbelief when I describe the mere ten hours of lectures on the subject that I received during my five year medicine degree.

Unfortunately, not much has changed since I graduated almost a decade ago, in 2009. Over the years, hundreds of medical students have contacted me to complain that their courses lack an emphasis on the role food can play in good health. They worry that they're missing out on a crucial aspect of healthy living, and that their patients will suffer as a consequence. I can only agree.

Lifestyle related diseases such as diabetes and heart disease cost the NHS around £16bn a year; the outlay is so astronomical that we're now spending more treating these conditions than we spend on either the police force or the fire brigade. And yet, medical schools have not yet woken up to the need for robust nutrition training in the curriculum. Go to see your GP and there's a fair chance that they simply won't know enough about nutrition and how to prescribe lifestyle change – even after five years of schooling in medicine.

In fact, many practicing doctors don't consider nutrition to be a conversation that they should tackle with their patients – perhaps due to their lack of fundamental grounding in the subject. As a GP and an emergency medicine practitioner, I believe we need to change this attitude – although I do empathise with them. When the system forces practitioners to perform consultations for multiple complicated conditions, within a nine minute time slot and up to 40 times a day, it's no wonder most people are offered a pill. We have created a culture where the patient expects a quick fix and the doctor is pressured to offer it – hence why, according to an NHS survey in December, half of Britons are now taking prescription medication.

If we don’t appropriately educate our health professionals on the breadth and utility of other evidence based health interventions, the only option they will have heard of is a pharmaceutical one.

The situation needs to change. As much as it pains me to point this out, in the UK we are woefully behind the United States when it comes to schooling new doctors in nutrition. In 2012, Tulane Medical School in New Orleans began offering their students an elective ‘Culinary Medicine’ course. For each of the modules, students watch an online lecture and read relevant nutrition papers, before attending a hands-on cooking class in the school's purpose built culinary school. Students are introduced to the kitchen, taught basic knife skills by a chef and introduced to a clinical case study by a doctor that forms the basis of their discussion. After following the recipe instructions and cooking a meal in pairs, the groups of students share a family meal and discuss the ingredients, how they were cooked and the relevance to clinical cases.

The course has proven to be so popular among students and the faculty that these modules are now part of their compulsory medical education. Tulane constantly evaluate their course to make sure it reflects the evidence base, and they now have over 20 modules looking at nutrition for specific health complaints such as diabetes, congestive heart failure and mental health. They've even published papers in peer reviewed journals evaluating why the method of teaching in a culinary school learning environment is more effective than didactic lectures.

Tulane's course is now available for qualified doctors, and the school licenses it to almost a quarter of all medical schools in America (which incidentally is more than the number of medical schools in the UK). The school is also working on research to demonstrate how effective lifestyle information delivered to patients by doctors on discharge from hospitals can significantly reduce re-admission rates in congestive heart failure and diabetic patients.

This movement needs to happen in the UK. We face a tsunami of chronic disease that threatens to wipe out NHS resources within a decade unless we start addressing the root cause of ill health: our lifestyles. The response from medical schools and the NHS is characteristically slow and that’s why I’ve decided to start this movement myself.

In the early months of 2017, I decided to write The Doctor’s Kitchen, a cookbook to motivate everybody to look at their plates as positive health interventions. The book is a journey through different cultures and cuisines, aligning the science of food in medicine with the culinary arts, and complemented with 100 recipes. After sealing a deal with Harper Collins, I decided to use a significant proportion of my advance to do something about the state of nutritional education in the UK. I personally licensed the course content from Tulane medical school and spent a large amount of my time this year updating it for a UK audience, working closely with the course director, fellow doctor and former chef, Dr Tim Harlan from New Orleans.

I've since had the course accredited by the Royal College of GPs, and I've started Culinary Medicine UK, which will work on a non-profit basis to teach health professionals how to cook. Our first course will be in alliance with Westminster Kingsway Culinary school in February 2018 and in July we’ll offer an intense four week course to medical students at Bristol University.

As health professionals, we have a role in nurturing a culture that recognises the power of our plates, and sees that they are the answer to the tidal wave of lifestyle related disease in this country. We need to teach doctors how to cook and the value of evidence based nutrition. We need to equip them with the skills to have a conversation with patients about lifestyle medicine. And we need to work alongside school and industry initiatives to elevate food as medicine into a mainstream concept in the pursuit of a proactive, healthier population.

That isn't a press release from someone selling his book, is it, which fits the bill nicely, is it?


wait...


Oh, it is!

Before we go round and round in bleeding circles again. I'm not saying there's nothing in it at all, I'm saying that nutrition IS NOT a cure-all and that it won't work for everyone.

STUDYFORM 13 Dec 18 22:10

You have to keep bringing the thread to the top, don't you? (weird, given that this was YOUR unfounded accusation of me)

And so he bumps the thread to the top himself in my absence.
He's priceless this STYDYFORM

Has the forum ever had a bigger clown who can present such absolute tripe with the conviction and arrogance of this bloke?

I've been here 16 years and I've yet to see one.
This berk is in a class of his own.

Dec 17, 2018 -- 9:19AM, STUDYFORM wrote:

That isn't a press release from someone selling his book, is it, which fits the bill nicely, is it?wait...Oh, it is!Before we go round and round in bleeding circles again. I'm not saying there's nothing in it at all, I'm saying that nutrition IS NOT a cure-all and that it won't work for everyone.

Think you might be overestimating the levels of book sales in 2018 it's anon profit organisation which serves the purpose in the article.

Before we go round and round in bleeding circles again. I'm not saying there's nothing in it at all, I'm saying that nutrition IS NOT a cure-all and that it won't work for everyone.

The point is simple medical professionals spend 10 hours learning about nutrition as part of becoming a medical professional when understanding nutrition takes weeks,months even years with ongoing practical findings from a variety situations yet the public trust them on such issues 100% when in fact most know very little.

Afternoon gents well I am still off the medication, and my blood sugar readings are staying in the range of 4.7 to 5.7 in the morning pre breakfast so I am well happy with that.

I am still trying to find the foods that suit me best,the biggest problem at the moment is trying to find a diet that doesn't leave me hungry,and at the same time not raise blood sugar levels.

G Hall eat low insulin index foods if you like chilli con carne do a pan of it using beans instead of meat i.e kidney beans,mixed beans,haricot,pinti etc. For the last fortnight I've done 2 or 3 big pans per week and having bowls of that will not cause big insulin spikes and will help offset hunger.
The resistant starch in the beans has what's called the second meal effect which regulates glucose spikes and slows glucose release from future meals.

G Hall you might be confusing hunger with thirst if you don't feel it in your throat it's thirst.

More evidence from Denzil about the role diet plays in achieving good health.

We can go back as far as we like and find that food is implicated in many medical conditions.
The response of mainstreams medicine to the evidence is usually positive. It has to be, because the evidence to prove the idea in a lot of cases is overwhelming.
Then after the fuss has died down, and the headlines are forgotten, the report is filed away to gather dust until the next revelation about food cones along to suffer the same fate.

The medical authorities don't want cures, they're in the pockets of the drug companies who want people to take drugs instead.

People who take an interest in their own health should abandon this notion that GPs are Gods.
Then start to realise that they're little more than drug pushers for the pharmaceuticals.

These people will have taken the first step towards learning the truth about what healthcare is all about - which is mainly making money for all concerned in treating these conditions.

Took two readings yesterday they were 4.7 and 4.8 I am glad that I have stopped taking the meds.

Thanks for that denzil.

It looks like G Hall has his own evidence now that what one eats can have a drastic influence on health.   
What is shocking is that he had to discover the way from reading it on here!

Sorry to bump this back to the top, but I'd like to tell STUDYFORM that I forgive him for telling lies about me.

Nothing further.

Looks like Study was the bigger man and walked away from your spat.

What lies? where? (not that you'll answer that).

Unlike you, I answer questions and don't do "fishing".

Very poor trolling.

I did, S_H. But an unsubstantiated accusation of lying is a typical Crippenism - he leaves it a while and makes things up.

I also forgive scandanavian_haven for stalking me, and for his rudeness as well.

wac

Oh well if you only come on here to bicker that's up to you.

Ok, so you're trolling then, and I didn't lie about you at all then?
Yes or no?

Oh, and you resurrected the thread with a typically pointless stupid trolling post calling me a liar, which is trolling, is it not?

(next is a claim about my bottom, again. And another that I've "blown my top")
It's a problem you might be able to sort, eventually, with some analysis and therapy.

STUDYFORM is a very rude person.

Seriously crippen?

4 days this time!!!!
and then you do your raising it to the top thing. Each time making yourself look even more pathetic.
You have real issues.

As for rudeness, you must encounter loads of it, apart that is, from the masses of rudeness you dole out, but then - as with the rest of your trolling, you won't acknowledge it.

To the top just for STUDYFORM.

Don't be silly eat Greens and Bean Chilli
This tasty bait will help you lose weight
Melting the fat away keeping type 2 at bay
Meaning less trips to the quacks
Who blame illness on snacks
No regards for the patient
Their ignorance is blatant
Causing a meds epidemic
Completely systemic
Respect they receive
For enabling disease
Is killing them younger
Why? we should wonder
Look after ourselves
Control our own healths
Not caught in the vice
Of a system not right

Did you make that up, Denzil?

Of course that's what boredom can do.
How you keeping MD have you got ontop of the food conundrum?

I’m ok, thanks Denzil. Well, I’m back to eating much the same as I have been these last few years. I suited me fine.

It was fun experimenting though. I’ve been reading this read with great interest.

Well done with the poem, btw.

Good to hear that agree the experimenting is fun and makes it more doable and also sustainable,there's some good stuff on the 2 diabetes threads obviously not everything suits everyone but the basics hold firm.
Have tried fasting after learning about Autophagy which was easier than imagined with the help of electrolytes and lemon water which broke a plateau,plenty more experiments to come over the next year best wishes for 2019.

Best wishes to you too, Denzil.

That lovely things exist , like Makybe _ Diva
is a lovely thought .

LEAVE HER ALONE ,you . That bitch is mine .

Good stuff from Denzil, here's a quick guide to the benefits of Autophagy and fasting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10jNZleNH9w

Just why we aren't educated to know these things beats me.

Do GPs know any of this stuff is the question I'd like to put?
Or are they simply there to dole out drugs after we get sick through ignorance?

AUTOPHAGY , that's a very interesting word .

It's people who eat cars.

Well that's a big word for STUDYFORM to digest on an full stomach.

Interesting article on Autophagy
.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44005092

I didn’t look into this at the time it was talked about on here but a friend mentioned it today, so I’m going to do some research.

The idea that we must have a constant supply of food in order to be healthy completely wrong

In fact when we go without food our senses sharpen, which is why many students fast before an exam.

When we were primitives we had to eat when we could. If going without food for days on end weakened us we wouldn't survive.
So nature designed us to store fat and then burn it as needed, and when we entered this fat burning stage we become sharper and more able to find food. 

The health benefits of fasting have been brushed aside or ignored by modern health practitioners who can't see any further than drugs.

Yet when one is ill, the first thing the body does is to kill the appetite in order to enter this elf healing state. And your body knows best.

elf healing state

And normal people as well.

Nearly everyone who eats a balanced diet will struggle to keep down their weight - fact.

And we must remember there is big money (the food industry) behind ensuring that most of us remain in this over nourished state.
The fatter we are the fatter their profits.

And the more pills we take, the fatter the profits of the pharmaceuticals who have the NHS in their grips.
The appalling health suffered in rich countries like ours, is due to over nourishment and inappropriate diets eaten by the majority.

There are no profits for the food industry in people eating less food..
And their are no profits for the drug companies in getting us healthier either.

The food industry keeps us ill, while the drug companies keep us alive.
I reckon they've got a pretty good business model between them.

Yawn

End of thread.

STUDY have you not tried the sugar diet yet?
Percival Himsworth published results in the 1920s/30s that pure white refined sugar including table sugar increases insulin sensitivity and fats paralyse insulin cells causing insulin resistance.
Jim Brunzell 1978 New England Journal of Medicine took patients with type 2 and gave them a diet 85% white sugar and reversed their condition.
Walter Kempner back in the 40s/50s published his results curing type 2 diabetics with white rice,table sugar,fruit and fruit juice,Kempner also reversed conditions such as heart disease,atherosclerosois and arthritis plus some amazing weight loss results on very obese people.
These guys aren't on the internet looking for mugs to give them money give it a go you won't be disappointed.
After a holiday and relaxed period on health and diet I gained weight so changed to the sugar diet with starches and veg and after 3 days was 6 pounds lighter,it works give it a go you'll be off your meds by Royal Ascot.

Denzil.

I take no meds and I really don't want to go over all this again, not least because it might encourage the pitiful Crippen to start trolling again, it's been a better place without it.

I accept fully that weight loss reduces the impact of (type 2) diabetes. In fact my own blood count was made better when I dropped a stone, not too long ago.
However, I'm not prepared to increase my sugar intake until the experts I see on the subject (who sell me nothing btw), agree with you.

I have been diagnosed with type 3 diabetes...

It must be the cushiest disease going, I don't suffer any pain or loss of function

so is there such a disease?


The trouble is our National Health Service is bankrupting us..

We cannot really afford patients to go in to Hospital anymore...it is too expensive

Diabetes 2 has been created to attempt to get people to treat their own health...and save the NHS money...imo?


It is what I think...I have totally ignored all dietary advice since they diagnosed me with Diabetes 2....

although I do take my meds, no great imposition on me there... do a bit of exercise now and again as well

type 2 not 3

just my opinion of course

It develops mortally dangerous illnesses over time REGY drop the fat and get it sorted these meds are no good.
STUDY fair enough wanted to offer a contribution on my return to the forum.

It IS worth noting, Ebul, that the figures (qualification for being diabetic) were changed a year or so back, making more people diabetic or at least "Pre-diabetic" as a means to induce healthier eating by NICE/NHS. You'll have to believe me when I say it's worked (It affects my job).
Like so much else, it makes for easy journalism.

I hadn't realised you'd copped a ban, Denzil, I assumed you'd just got a bit cheesed off (if I can say Cheese on this thread).

Took a break bit holiday,work,easy living etc. no ban nobody cares enough about what I post to get me banned.

I wouldn't say that mate, (sniffs, wipes a little tear).
If you tried hard enough, there are certainly enough idiots there to try to enforce one on you.

I'm not worth it have no previous form or forum friends and no strong views that aren't based on truth,the arguments on here tend to be around not accepting truths that don't suit an agenda or political viewpoint.

I agree. I often argue with steadfast political views, mostly because they are unreasonably entrenched, or without thought or consideration, but that is just taken as opposition!

I would say though, that one persons truth is another person's BS - so, for me, it needs to be quite widely backed/researched before being accepted.

And with that, the truth is, I'm going to bed... up early for work tomorrow.

Visited a friend in hospital last year who was in with heart problem. the other 7 people in the ward were all in for diabetes.

Doc checking them out came in with 3 bottles of fizzy drinks, bag of sweets and crisps for himself  and weighed twice what he should...

Plenty of slim, fit, healthy people, who eat properly, still are diabetic.

This fact is often lost in the media/NHS driven desire to pretend it's self-inflicted.

Equally, plenty of fat, otherwise unhealthy, unsensible ones, never develop it.

Not going over old ground for the hows and whys the illness is developed will say that the advices given from the NHS and mainstream are not conducive for prevention only serving to attempt to treat symptoms and assign easy (and plausible to the uneducated) blame.

What the health is an interesting Netflix documentary which scratches the surface of some of the sharp practices we are all up against,the science on the programme when quoted by physicians can be found also.