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Brexit: Relations 'fraying' between Ireland and Britain
Brexit: Relations 'fraying' between Ireland and Britain
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January sale sell out !!!
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Instead of building a hard border as everyone gets along so well let's go the whole hog and pull down the peace walls dividing the two communities
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IT - I wouldn't trust any tory as far as I could throw them. Will only ever be interested in their own welfare.
Just pointing out that the idea that the EU are using Northern Ireland to bully us is a fallacy. We sat down, signed an agreement and have since decided to renege on it. That's all. |
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can't wait till it's all over one way or another, sick of the word Brexit, bored of the coversations, 24 news stations feeding off of it day in, day out, it has overshadowed a lot of other important domestic issues as well.
Get the feeling though nobody will happy with the deal and after March next year, people will still be moaning for another few years on both Remain and Leave side, boring. |
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The reasons it never stops are:
1. People like those on here, who think about little else. 2. The pigs and vultures of the press - perpetuating the divide and making a bleeding good living out of it. |
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Don't think the EU is using Ireland. Its the other way round- they warned us about this issue during the referendum, we weren't listening or didn't consider it important. The Irish then went to EU and insisted it was included in any withdrawal agreement otherwise they were not signing anything. That is still the case.
We mightn't like it - but they aren't doing anything wrong. They are just protecting their own interests. What else did we expect - "ok, go ahead stick up the border again". That didn't work too well for then or us the last time? My question is - what alternative to they have? |
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*do they have?^
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There’s wallflower , he’s another one who agreed with the threat of violence being used to intimidate people as can be seen from his post
The republicans and nationalists are going to have to learn to respect democracy |
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now there was a border poll in N Ireland in the 1970s
600, 000 voted to remain part or the U.K. 6,000 voted to be part of a United Ireland The Irish government and the EU are going to have to respect democracy |
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Ireland and the EU are using the threat of IRA violence to try and get their way
That’s something wallflower and others don’t seem to have any problem with , they seem to think they have no other option Indeed they seem to think it’s a good thing , it’s reprehensible really |
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lfc, was that Irish referendum before or after the UK's referendum asking about membership of the EU?
Asking for 16,000,000 friends. |
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pp you are quite right , if the IRA and other nationalists are so intent of leaving the EU and voting Brexit that they might change their views on a United Ireland that’s fine
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They have only to vote for it , what’s wrong with that
Don’t like the result ? |
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Just asking for 17, 000,000 others
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In the last referendum ( 1973) on whether N Ireland should remain part of the U.K. or form a United ireland 98.9 % voted to remain part of the U.K.
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It was the first time a referendum had been held in any part of the U.K.
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Of course the republicans and nationalists didn’t respect that vote either
And now the same anti democratic and violent elements are aligning with remainers and the Irish government |
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^"republicans,nationalists,anti-democratic,violent" You really are trying to paint some picture aren't you?
In the very small possibility occuring would it necessary be just nationalists? Just pure and simple hatred of Ireland/Irish,sin e bhfuil Lfc. |
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It’s true I don’t like the Irish pa lapsy , it is what it is
But that doesn’t make what I said any less true , sorry |
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I’m 100% sure the same people who are throwing all sorts of insults at the Irish would be the same people getting their knickers in a twist if Ireland had voted to leave the EU then suggested putting up a hard border.
The stupidly and hypocrisy of some on here - we all know who they are - knows no bounds. |
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lfc - the question is there (unanswered as usual)- what do you want the Irish to do?
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Don’t expect an answer from him - he’s good at throwing insults but lacks the very basic intelligence to hold a debate.
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Don't apologise to me Lfc,apologise to yourself, you are airing your views with your own agenda on here,which you admit is bigotry and sectarianism?
That's your own problem. |
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I didn’t apologise for that now did I ?
There’s no point reading words , if you don’t understand words |
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ps I’ve lived and worked in Ireland ( has Eboue ), I enjoyed it
Some Irish people are very nice , of course |
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My mistake,the "sorry" (10.17) was in fact the opposite to an apology, so you just confirm you revel in your Irish hatred.
Dia duit agus slan |
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worked alongside all types of Irish people Catholics and Protestants unionists and nationalists and we socialised together outside of work , very good , in fact worked every day for a number of years
It’s not a problem, ok with that ? |
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Another day and lfc1971 showing himself up to be a cant as per usual
 I bet his never aired his hate filled opinion of the Irish when he was over here, quiet as a wee mouse no doubt. |
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The North of Ireland is part of the UK, and will remain so until they vote to re-join Southern Ireland.
So there are two separate countries occupying the island of Ireland. It would be better if the border remained soft, but we are worried about it being abused, so it is a problem., so may have to become hard. We could trial a soft border after we leave EU, and see it is abused? If it is, it will probably have to become hard. |
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now I don’t like the Irish because I don’t trust them , we have only to see how they have behaved over Brexit
And then again I don’t like remainers either , because of how they’ve behaved over Brexit I don’t like them , and will never trust them , it is what it is |
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^ see what I mean about remainers ?
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If Derry wants to start creating saucy postcards, I reckon they should get uble to write them up.
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Lfc - once again...I'm curious.... what did you expect the Irish to do? How exactly have they "behaved badly" over Brexit? From their perspective, would it not be irresponsible for them to allow a border to appear on the island after 20 years as a by-product of Brexit - something they have nothing to do with.
If anyone has behaved badly it is us - we ignored them prior, during and post referendum on this issue, hoping it would go away. We are now back-tracking on agreements we have made twice with them (EU and Ireland) last December and March. I'm being objective on this. Leaving aside your self-stated dislike / distrust of the Irish - it isn't difficult to see where they are coming from. |
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In November and December 2017 the RoI's leaders were saying the negotiation was going fine and there would be a solution to the border problem.
Then the EU Commission released a paper - seemingly without the knowledge of the RoI government - which changed all of that dramatically. RTE says Leo Varadkar did know about it. In that case, he lied to the Dáil Éireann. Much more likely the EU Commission blindsided him, he put a brave face on it and RTE sucked it up in a way that no UK media outlet ever would. It weaponised the Irish border. It made Brexit into a 'moral' issue. How could the UK break the Good Friday Agreement (GFA) ? The 'Troubles' could start up again. The border solution was 'magical thinking' and 'unicorns'. All of their propaganda outlets from The Times to 'Mary Ann' pumped out this rubbish. The EU knows very well that the border 'problem' is solvable by technology, the 'maxfac' solution proposed by David Davis. They just want to use it as a lever to make a simple Brexit impossible - or even more costly for the UK, which has been the EU's negotiating position from the get-go. |
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Mr Eboue
05 Nov 18 13:13 Joined: 15 Sep 09 | Topic/replies: 26,039 | Blogger: Mr Eboue's blog It’s time for everyone to stop replying to LFC. He has nothing to do with his pathetic life bar talk hateful nonsense on this forum 24/7. ^ What a divisive, hateful and unnecessary thing to write. If you don't like what he writes debate him or turn off his comments if you cannot handle it. No need to try to incite other people against him just because he says something you personally do not agree with. |
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Hanx ..... really? Sources please. Anyway EU and Ireland seem to be at one on this - as were we in December 2O17. It was the Irish who put this into the conditions of withdrawal agreement. Same question to you - what did you expect them to do? I genuinely don't know what I would have done, other than what they have. Seems to me they have been very patient with all our nonsense, indecision and political paralysis.
"The EU knows very well that the border 'problem' is solvable by technology," What technology is that? The EU/Ireland and everyone else wanted to know. Nobody, not the UK government or private company has came forward to say it exists or even it could be developed. Bottom line the technology that can check inside lorries and vans is not there. Can we just put that one to bed - until you actually name the technology that would do the job. |
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This NI border issue has been made an issue by the EU.
ROI and UK could solve it no problem by having a limited technical border but the EU is making it difficult for one simple reason.. They want to control us and have our money. It is impossible to have our own trade agreements around the world (setting our own standards and rules) and have a completely open border with the EU. The EU know this and are using it to stop us making a success of Brexit. The Irish are being used by the EU. Instead of coming to sensible arrangement the Irish could face the chaos of hard border in a few months if no deal happens. The very thing the ROI does not want (and the EU claims to be bothered about) is more likely to happen because of the EU's stance. The EU wants to put off anyone leaving so wants either: 1. Chaos of a no deal. or 2. US to stay in the CU and SM and keep paying them. They do not want a sensible solution. They mentioned a FTA is on the table but it is not actually due to the way they have weaponised the Irish border. |