US sending 5,200 troops to border with Mexico

We have seen what is happening in Britain and elsewhere , that’s why
ok with that ?

Jomo II
I saw the story, didn't forensically dissect it like you apper to have done.
Little did I know as you seem to, that now the right are putting out fake news in the biased left leaning media to inhance a story.
Fake story seems to have reached the top of the Trump family with Don jr tweeting it.
Note to self, I must keep up

And if you think the two are not related ( 100 Isis terrorist and a maurading passing caravasion heading to the storm the US border in close proximity ), I beg to differ.

Finally! SF the comments self appointed "voice of reason" is here to, as usual, tell us what we should and shouldn't be commenting on.

Thank god. We couldn't decide ourself. We'll all shut up now, his petulant leftie wisdom has shown us there error of our ways.

Woops, typo, with a bit of luck it'll be commented on...

Why is everyone who disagrees with or questions the invariably dull, bigoted, corrupted messages on here a "leftie"?

I couldn't care less what is "commented on" I do, however, care when it's non-stop fecking ranting and politcally unreasoning nonsense day after sodding day.... the same old fecking whining, moaning and unchanging shoite that you lot repeat yourself with, unceasingly.

It always the threads started by the same people, saying the same things.... then... anyone dissenting in any way is a "leftie".
Yet the "lefties" start far fewer political threads.

If you went to the local pub and went over and over the same old crap, every day, like you do on here. You'd be on your own.

Maybe that's what's happened.

Now it's allegations of "you've got no friends" from the self appointed arbitrar of what everyone else can and can't comment about!
Follow up questions have to be answered:
Have we got the lurgy as well?
Could your dad beat our dad?

SF
We are currently watching an organised illegal invasion of the USA to be timed with one of the biggest polictally changing elections in the US in decades.
I wouldn't call that the same old crap. Lol.

Surely it is 5200 bricklayers Trump needs to send.

There is no way they are going to be allowed in so it's pointless.

Is the leader of them "El Gran Viejo Duque de York"?

Funny how Trump has gone from boasting about his German and Scottish parents to complaining about immigrants. He's been so consistent on everything else.

Studyform is as fair minded as most on here. I think like a lot of people if he can't think of owt good to say, he'd rather say nowt. I don't fully agree with his criticism of 'left'. Anyone against certain things is now called 'far right', that is a lot of people including me. Fair enough for them to assume that people using that label are politically opposite, ie left, and in a polarised country having just two labels is convenient for most.

Ramruma, There is a slight difference between 'legal' & 'illegal' immigrants

sticky... sorry, I'm not quite with you when you say this:

the right are putting out fake news in the biased left leaning media to inhance a story.
Fake story seems to have reached the top of the Trump family with Don jr tweeting it.

What story/news/content? My hunch is it's going to say something along the lines of 2+2, and it's caused a number of readers/users to shout "that makes five!"

Absolutely no harm in two people disagreeing/begging to differ... I just find it baffling and quite alarming how filters/blinkers can be used so readily by people.

Again why are 100 middle eastern arab men with Isis connections in Guatemala.?
Holidays, no one believes that surely ?
That would be 2 + 2 making 5

So one must look at other reasons they might be there.

The story you mentioned was reported falsely, dates were wrong, but if the story were factually correct it would be considered a pro Trump story, correct ?

The story was on MS media which is proven to be 85% negative Trump news.
So a positive story put out about Trump above turns out to be fake news as you call it then the story must have come from the right. You with me ?

Sticky... Sorry, no, I'm not with you, and I don't think you're with me.

The story you mentioned was reported falsely
Is this the Daily Mail one (link above)? I'm not saying that story was false/fake. Is that what you think I was saying?

You have pointed out the date differentials.
I said I hadn't forensically dissected the link I posted.
If the daily mail who are considered right leaning are posting fake news, then this is all new to me, thats basically what I'm getting at.

I said I hadn't forensically dissected the link I posted.

ffs - professor of Trumpology

If you went to the local pub and went over and over the same old crap, every day, like you do on here. You'd be on your own.

Maybe that's what's happened.



x2

If the daily mail who are considered right leaning are posting fake news, then this is all new to me, thats basically what I'm getting at.

Ah, ok.

No, I wasn't saying the Daily Mail story is fake news. I was saying that your first post is. 2 (100 ISIS terrorists have been taken had by Guatemala plod)  plus 2 (there's a big bunch of immigrants heading for the US) makes 5 (the terrorists were hiding in among the immigrants). 

Do you see what I'm getting at? You don't need to forensically dissect the article to work out it doesn't say the 100 bar stewards were hiding in among the caravan. That's why I asked you why you wrote that they were "hiding in the caravasion" and were "pulled out [of it]". Because neither of these things happened. Partiality just seems to cause this fabricated version of the truth in some people's minds - not just yours, sticky, and sorry if you feel I'm "singling you out"; wasn't my intention.

For the record - for I sense I'm coming close to being assigned a leftie/libtard/progressive ho ho ho/terrorist apologist label - I'm not "pro" caravan. I don't see any good in what's unfolding.

As I have already stated I wasn't aware that the right were engaged in Fake News spreading, you have highlighted this.
WD, unfortunately you don't win a prize or get a medal.

Facts that are still in place

a) A caravasion is headed to the US from Honduras
b) Guatemala is the first stop en-route for the caravasion
c) 100 arab Isis terrorists have been arrested and deported from Guatemala days before it arrived in Guatemala

2 + 2 for me equals that these arab terrorists would join the caravan and head on for the USA
(similiar to how 1'000 of arab jihadi terrorists entered the EU on foot in migrant caravans)
There we differ.
Your 2 + 2 equals something else

If he had of built that wall like he promised he'd sitting back with a cigar laughing at all the poor people marching towards a better life, instead he's sending down thousands of soliders to beat them instead, #brokenpromises

I have to say this caravan thing is disturbing. The way the World is I can understand why people want a better life elsewhere and I don't blame them but it is not good. Too many people owning too much of the World's wealth is unhealthy for all of us, even in rich countries like ours.

Chump has definitely hit the zeitgeist again and would be smart to shut his stupid mouth on all other subjects where he just makes himself look like a chunt and concentrate on the caravan.

must be a lot of local pubs with people sitting on their own these days

Oct 31, 2018 -- 3:42PM, saddo wrote:

Studyform is as fair minded as most on here. I think like a lot of people if he can't think of owt good to say, he'd rather say nowt. I don't fully agree with his criticism of 'left'. Anyone against certain things is now called 'far right', that is a lot of people including me. Fair enough for them to assume that people using that label are politically opposite, ie left, and in a polarised country having just two labels is convenient for most.

Thank you, saddo, for recognising that.
As is usual, I'm not arguing anyone's case.
I tend to mention it when something ridiculous or unfounded is put on the forum and it's gone even more irritating than usual.
This seems to mean I'm disputing things that mostly I'm not. Most of it gets ignored, this thread just wasn't.

There's enough grief in the world without getting so indignant about whatever's in the Mail or bothering so many people who until recently weren't remotely interested in politics. Which if you think about it, is most of us.

Anyway all I'm saying is the constant muslim/BBC/corbyn/trump/tommy/etc stuff is boring. It might be OK the first few times or even if just rarely, but it never stops.
Some of it is possibly bots, most of it is by people who honestly believe they're fighting some sort of crusade.
Some people can plonk the message into ANY thread on ANY subject.

Sorry if I shouldn't say so. But there's way too much preaching to the converted and it isn't "debate" or even "conversation". It's just invited arguing.

It is possible that what I said earlier is true and that all this stuff is made by and perpetuated by people who make a nice living from it (media and journalists) and forums (like this one) and phone-ins and street gatherings produce the foot soldiers to keep the wages coming in.

the problem is that is what it is -progressive propaganda  - however you look at it

mainly lies to keep the sheep in order

Or not, because that is part of the message.

The world is just one big mass of conspiracies.

mo, perhaps a few white media student chappies will pretend to go fluid to get the gigs.

I truly embrace the type  ( no stereotyping tho)  ho ho

and when you do - watch the fake fkrs run like hell

they don't really support K were people - they just follow it as it is so trendy

they iz scared of the truly bent peeple  but nearly half of blokes don't mind a bit of dalliance

not totally bi gay or anything but just like a bit of a splash  ha ha  ha

I speek from ex speariance

You're drunken self is talking shyte again.

so it woz use in the pub tonight

actuaray I rarely go out local  but you nose fk all about what I get up to or up me come to that

but most of the 'luvvies' and hangers on to the pc culture dislike the proximity of my type

they love to have a pet gay but they just spout the mantra but would never never go near it

it is the street cred they get from it they love

Hic hic

it is slimy homophobics like you who ruin it for the rest of us

Oh Dear!

Ramruma
Funny how Trump has gone from boasting about his German and Scottish parents to complaining about immigrants. He's been so consistent on everything else.

What relevance does that have with an invasion of would be illegal immigrants?

What do you think Trump will do when the migrants reach the border?

The Pentagon is sending over 5,200 troops to the border with Mexico as thousands of Central American migrants walk towards the US in a caravan.

General Terrence O'Shaughnessy said Operation Faithful Patriot would focus on Texas, Arizona and California.

President Donald Trump earlier said the "invasion" of migrants would find the US military waiting for them.

He also told Fox News that "tent cities" would be built to house migrants seeking asylum in the US.

"If they apply for asylum, we're going to hold them until such time as their trial takes place. We're going to hold them, we're going to build tent cities, we're gonna build tents all over the place," he said in an interview on Monday.

There are already 2,100 National Guard members at the border, sent after a previous request by Mr Trump in April.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46026050

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/29/developing-trump-send-5000-troops-border-operation-faithful-patriot/
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stickyvicky • October 31, 2018 6:22 PM GMT
As I have already stated I wasn't aware that the right were engaged in Fake News spreading, you have highlighted this.
WD, unfortunately you don't win a prize or get a medal.

Facts that are still in place

a) A caravasion is headed to the US from Honduras
b) Guatemala is the first stop en-route for the caravasion
c) 100 arab Isis terrorists have been arrested and deported from Guatemala days before it arrived in Guatemala

2 + 2 for me equals that these arab terrorists would join the caravan and head on for the USA
(similiar to how 1'000 of arab jihadi terrorists entered the EU on foot in migrant caravans)
There we differ.
Your 2 + 2 equals something else

You've done it again!!!

We do not know it as fact that the terrorists were rounded up days before the caravan entered Guatemala. Morales did not put a timescale on the round-up, and neither have the media. You've added the timescale yourself, because it best-suits your conclusion that the terrorists were readying to join the caravan and wreak havoc.

^
Jeez, you must have been a difficult child when growing up.

-Secretary of Social Communication for the Presidency, Alfredo Brito, added that the data on the captures was 'protected information of National Security,'

-Brito asserted that the president mentioned the news 'because it is a work in coordination with the different intelligence and security agencies' 

Above are points 2 and 3 on the link I posted ( which I have already admitted I didn't forensically dissect )

How you can garner time lines from the above points makes you a better man than I.

I off out now to get a life, laters

*I'm

I cannot garner timelines from the above. That is my point - you are the one who has added a timeline ("they were rounded up days before"). Sure, it can be your opinion that they were all rounded up and deported just days before the caravan came a-coming, but you do not know that for a fact.

I'm not really sorry you seem to find it such an unnecessary and frightful bore being to consider what facts are, and what the spreading of non-facts might lead to. But nevertheless - and at the risk of stirring memories of my difficult childhood spent constantly asking daddy whether it was a fact that Santa Clause was real - I have attempted to create a scenario which will hopefully illustrate - to some at any rate. Perhaps. Maybe. Well, never mind - the dangers of straying from facts.

---

The scenario:

- Trump is holding a rally in Dallas, Texas next week
- A celebration march towards the rally has been arranged for those attending the march. It set off from Kansas last week and is currently passing through Oklahoma. It's on course to arrive in Dallas in time for Friday's rally.
- The Oklahoma Leftie has quoted the Sheriff of Oklahoma as saying his force has captured “close to 100 persons completely involved with white nationalism, with the KKK and we have not only detained them within our state border, but they have been sent back to their state of origin.” He was quoted as saying this during a meeting of all State police, held last week. 

From the Dallas Libtard Weekly:

Oklahoma Sheriff boasts about catching 100 KKK members as his state lays in turmoil amid thousands marching towards Dallas
- Oklahoma Sheriff Jimmy Morales boasted on Thursday that the state police had captured almost 100 KKK members - with most of them being sent back to their own State
- Deputy Sheriff, Alfredo Brito, added that the data on the captures was 'protected information of State Security,'
Brito asserted that the Sheriff mentioned the news 'because it is a work in coordination with the different intelligence and security agencies' 
- News comes as 4,000 Trump supporters made their way to the Texas-shared border in an effort to reach Dallas

From A leftie libtard posting on chit chat and linking to the above article:
"100 cuddly KKK members hiding in the pro-Trump march were pulled out and deported in Oklahoma a few weeks ago."

From the leftie libtard after it's suggested there's no evidence the KKK members were hiding among the Trump marchers...

Facts that are still in place
a) A march is headed to Dallas from Kansas
b) Oklahoma is the first stop en-route for the march
c) 100 KKK members have been arrested and deported from Oklahoma days before it arrived in Oklahoma

2 + 2 for me equals that these KKK members would join the pro-Trump march and head on for Dallas

---

Any issues with what the leftie libtard poster has said?

If not, maybe we could go on to the next level... President Clinton has just tweeted that "criminals and unknown people wearing bed sheets" are mixed in with the Pro-Trump marchers, and I've just heard a commentator on Texas Leftie Today saying that the Trump supporters are bringing smallpox and leprosy with them to Dallas. Yikes!

As they cross the border will they be pushing a large wooden horse as a gift ?

@11.51am

Interesting analogy, except your fictitious KKK members did not travel half way round the globe to join your march.
Maybe if you had have inserted cuddly Isreali Mossad assassins or Ukrainian Svoboda neo nazi's instead then these arrests and deportations would definitely be raising eye brows as to why they were there.

This is just clickbait for the trumpets. Got to hand it to him though - he knows how to stoke the hate.

Yep, he is so hateful that 6,000 Hondurans want to move permanently to his hateful run country.

If you really give a sh!t about immigration to the US which I doubt you do, then why don't you check out the massive numbers of illegal immigrants that come via the airports and overstay - they are equally illegal.

Rather than a wall, Why doesn't he just build a very wide trench along the border and fill it will Crocidiles, genius

Hank, how's junior?

some water obviously wouldn't got amiss

Good thanks jolly- still waiting on a heart surgery, but all is well

Why not have a virtual wall that is a chain of propane flame throwers, motion sensor activated?

Hank might support that.

only if you buy my accessories

He should do what we should of done at Calais. !. Paint a broad, long red line at the border. 2 Set up machine gun nests 20 yards behind the line. 3. Put up message boards in their own language stating that anyone crossing the border will be killed. 4. If anyone crosses the red line SHOOT!! They will either stop coming or there will be none left to cross the border!

Why not let them in and deport an equal number of white supremacists.

crystalhunt

are you don lemon in disguise?

Don Lemon should be sacked for that imo

Inciting violence works both ways doesn't it?

correct but CNN have not come out with any statement about it. no doubt to busy watching Fox news pulling apart every word their anchors say.lemon is a first class race baiter.i do not know how he keeps his job should have been sacked last new years eve steaming on tv but as usual with him nothing said

Julia Loffe was even worse than lemon with her comments the other night.she actually said Trump had radicalised more people than isis and Tapper sat there saying nothing to her.

Lemon is a disgrace imo, not even subtle with his baiting is he?!

You need to be smart when playing the bait game and that bloke is to dumb for words

Fox are awful for it as well, but they play the other side so

to dumb or too dumb?

trump is right though if you listen to what he said

sky pounding out the pro democrat propaganda  - how can they show this stuff

yeah fox are awful with the scaremongering and cnn cannot stop going on about Fox and their anchors but when its them nothing to see here and lemon calls himself a journalist

remember, he is only president because Hilary was the WORST candidate since candidates became candidates.

but the bias is horrendous on Sky (uk)   they do this all the time - brexit, remember what they tried to do to corbyn's election (twice) along the the guardian

now they are doing it with Banks and Leave etc

oh the money went through the isle of man

wow   and no other money goes through there

it is fkn hilarious

six Hondurans on their way to the border file law suit in a Washington court claiming trump is violating their constitutional rights.

Are there really people in the US who want to open the borers to anyone demanding entry, however many they may be?

Saddo, if that's a genuine question, then the answer is yes, and not who you'd expect. Libertarians are proponents of open borders and feel the government should not interfere in immigration as the free market will take care of everything. Think of that what you will.

I was serious Hank, and I think they are mental. Thanks.

No problem

I class myself as one on social issues but not economic. You might think them mental, but they do add to the debate. Especially when the Dem v Rep back and forth can be the same old arguments.

From: https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/election/article220960015.html

November 01, 2018 11:34 AM
Updated 1 hour 8 minutes ago

President Donald Trump’s closing argument for the midterm elections includes a tweet featuring convicted cop killer Luis Bracamontes, who killed two Sacramento-area deputies in a 2014 rampage.

The tweet features video of Bracamontes spewing profanities while on trial in Sacramento County Superior Court, a frequent occurrence in the years of court hearings he faced.

But the president’s claim that “Democrats let him into our country” is not entirely accurate, and neither is the claim that “Democrats let him stay.”

Bracamontes, who is now on death row at San Quentin State Prison for the October 2014 slayings of Sacramento County Sheriff’s Deputy Danny Oliver and Placer County Sheriff’s Deputy Michael Davis Jr., first came into the United States in 1993, when he was 16 and Democrat Bill Clinton was president.


Bracamontes, who grew up in Sinaloa, Mexico, entered the country illegally, crossing into Arizona.


The Maricopa County (Ariz.) Sheriff’s Office has told The Sacramento Bee previously that he was first arrested in Phoenix in 1996. Prosecutors in Phoenix say he was arrested Sept. 25, 1996, on deportable drug offenses related to marijuana possession and sentenced to four months in jail starting in January 1997.

Bracamontes served his time in then-Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s tent-city jail, then was handed over to federal immigration agents and deported on June 3, 1997, during Clinton’s second term.

He apparently did not stay in Mexico long. Records in Arizona show he was arrested on drug charges again in Phoenix in 1998, then released “for reasons unknown” by Arpaio’s office. Arpaio is a Republican.

Bracamontes was next arrested May 4, 2001, on marijuana charges in Maricopa County, and deported three days later. Republican George W. Bush was president at the time, and was president when Bracamontes slipped back into the United States a short time later.


The date of his re-entry is not clear, but records show Bracamontes was married in Maricopa County on Feb. 28, 2002, when Bush was president.

By then, Bracamontes had been living near Salt Lake City where he remained until 2014, when he and his wife embarked upon a methamphetamine-fueled trip that ended with their arrests in Placer County after the deputies were killed.



If you're gonna lie Donny baby then at least try and find some truth to what you say old girl!

Donny wouldn't lie - he's a great fella.

To be fair seeding 15000 troops at a cost of aprox $150m (for a month or so) to guard the border against a few thousand desperadoes is a great way of spending U.S taxpayers money - great optics as well. It's not like this caravan (as pretty much all the others over the past years that were barely reported) would have petered out to a few hundred after all. Thing is, it will work this time but there is only so much hate that can be distilled from something that obviously isn't what it is being portrayed as. Anyone with half a working brain can work out that 'middle eastern' terrorists (Trumps mates the Saudis by chance?) would try and get into the US this way. There has not been 1 single attack by anyone from outside America illieagaly entering U.S  i believe - all attacks have been by U.s citizens, or those let in legally and only 1 person has been apprehended at a border and that was Canada!

*would not try

Hate's being distilled?

How is it not common sense to defend one's borders - and why is it hateful to do so?

It doesn’t cost anything to send the American military to protect the border

That is what they are paid to do

No good reason why they shouldn’t stay there permanently

ok for them to waste tax payers money in Afghanistan for years but not on their own border

quite right , any problems pull them back from Afghan , or Europe
America has had enough of those free loaders in Europe whining

They throw rocks.........shoot em. Can't say they haven't been warned !

Nov 1, 2018 -- 11:11PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

remember, he is only president because Hilary was the WORST candidate since candidates became candidates.

Trump was the worst candidate of all time

People are sick of old guard though and were happy to vote Trump

Not realizing Trumps always been part of that "old guard", he's a 70 year old billionaire

ufcdan
They throw rocks.........shoot em. Can't say they haven't been warned !

MrT commented on them having thrown rocks at the Mexican police and said they'll consider the rocks to be rifles. As you say, they've been warned.

spyker
To be fair seeding 15000 troops at a cost of aprox $150m (for a month or so) to guard the border against a few thousand desperadoes is a great way of spending U.S taxpayers money

As lfc has said it's at no cost as they would be paid no mater where they were. I know you were being sarcastic but it is in fact a great way of spending US taxpayers money.

Payback for the Alamo

No cost? Where are they going to stay, how are they going to get there, while they are there what are they going to do in downtime, what are they going to do in the month or 2 it is going to take this evil hoard to get to the border, what equipment will be needed, how will it be powered and what if it ends up being long-term etc etc etc? I have no idea how you think the world goes round but it certainly isn't what is in your own heads!
To take your argument further, the military cost nothing over all - or rather what it does in the field costs nothing as they would all be being paid anyway, that rather subverts the argument made by the right that troops should be withdrawn (from foreign fields) as it costs too much - according to you lot it costs nothing! As for trump saying that he stopped the exercises with S Korea because of the cost , well you are calling him a liar as according to you it doesn't cost anything.
It's either bizarre or just plain dumb to argue that it costs the same to have troops in base than it does to have them out in the field - wherever that field is and whatever it is they do. Weird, just plain weird.

It’s cheaper and good for the American economy if they are in America spending their money

Let's all open our borders to anyone, if it's cheaper 

Well funnily enough saddo opening borders to economic migrants that want to work makes a lot of sense, especially if that country is ageing and needs, firstly workers but also people to pay tax to pay for the 'home' population's pensions and health service use (if that country has a health service paid for by taxes). They are usually young and healthy and are net contributors to the economy as they don't use as many resources as the home pop and usually bugger off before any of the taxes they have paid are used for them. A well run, efficient migrant workers system is exactly what the U.S needs and wouldn't cost that much to set up and it could be policed so it isn't worth dropping out the system - unlike the current system. A win win for all concerned.

It takes a lifetime of work , a lifetime of paying taxes to provide and support the NHS example
That is something old people have done, it is something no migrants have done
And is just one example of why migrants are always inevitably a drain on resources , not a benefit , it is an inevitable consequence

Migrants by the very definition of being migrants are users  of resources already there and paid for by previous generations over a lifetime of work and paying taxes

spyker, that Ponzi style pension plan has been exposed as nonsense for quite a while. They come here to earn minimum wage, I doubt anyone on minimum wage contributes owt, especially if they have kids.

You lot really need to look at how the N.I system works - you paid for it when you were working (for the pensions then) and now yours is being paid for by the workers now. Do the maths of how much you paid in and how much of your pension would that pay - let alone the cost to the NHS etc? Demographics alone dictate that this country needs 'help' to fulfil the demands of society and a group fo workers that pay something in and get little out (whatever you lot think that is the norm for the vast majority of ec migrants) fits the bill nicely.
I must say the danger from the imminent invasion that Trump got people angry with seems to have dissipated - unless of course it was all bollox once again that you lot lapped up. What a true patriot Trump is - always doing what's right for those alive and those who died for his freedom  - as long as it isn't raining that is. What a man.

BTW feel free to quote prof Minford at me as his research was shown to be bollox based on unreal circumstances - mind you you prob won't want to bring him up as he has said (numerous times) that industry (esp the car ind) will have to end post brexit and you probably won't want that mentioning again so best to leave him out of it eh?

spyker if I we pay for the nhs though our taxes when we are working why do we need migrants to pay for the NHS ?

Spyker these soldiers are constantly on training missions.
It costs no more to have them guarding the border than fighting an imaginary enemy somewhere else in the US.
And as already said, what better way to spend your money than guarding your borders.