Drones should Be As Illegal As Firearms.

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Prescient or what.

yes, you are the sage of the forum.
there's no reason to have a drone apart from police, cartographers  etc. privately i can expect jeremy clarkson type people owning them, minimum 10 year jail sentence for misuse will sort it out.

will take an airliner to crash for something to do done - Amazon want to use them for deliveries so little chance of regulation

start paying proper tax should be a bigger priority for them

Anybody can buy a drone without any checks. Terrorists,criminals,lunatics and Clarkson types (as mentioned ) not excluded. And apparently you can't trace where they are being operated from ffs.

I bet you drones used by the Israeli military would pinpoint the source!

lunatics

Sorry I meant people with mental issues obviously.

no need to apologise , you were right first time

I would like to know which long life batteries are being used on these drones.

A_T • December 20, 2018 9:01 AM GMT
will take an airliner to crash for something to do done - Amazon want to use them for deliveries so little chance of regulation

.... Or a helicopter , maybe ?

The report I heard about an hour or so ago said that drones that could stay up all night were in some stage of development by the military and their contractors. So either somebody has gone rogue or there are numerous drones being continually replaced. The fact that nobody seems to know shows the madness that has allowed these things to go essentially unregulated for so long.

As with guns and unruly dogs PEOPLE are the problem here.
Drones now being used in search and rescue and various other uses can be beneficial I would have thought.

Whatever happened to the police drone that was being utilised in the vicinity of the King Power on the evening that the Leicester City chairman and three others were killed ?

There's an hilarious side to this, in the fact that security services and the police have become so  ineffective that a major airport can be disrupted as easily as it has.
Didn't the authorities anticipate a situation like this?
Are they paid to drink tea or what?

The country is run by fools at every level.

Reynard, I think it has already been disclosed the kingpower helicopter had a
Tail rotor malfunction.
There was In fact a video on TV showing a large piece of the rotor flying off just after take off.

So what struck the helicopter to cause parts of the tail rotor to break away ? If it was a simple mechanical malfunction it would simply have failed , rather than disintegrating .

glasgowcalling you have made the mistake of assuming that a conspiritard is interested in logical explanations.

Interesting you use the word 'disclosed' , Glasgow . The cause of the Hillsborough tragedy was disclosed and many years later found to be a lie , instigated by the police to cover up their own failures . There are many recent examples of police covering up crimes in order to protect certain individuals and groups who have carried out organised crimes spanning many decades . It wouldn't take too much effort to conceal the true cause of the King Power helicopter crash in order to clear those responsible from having any blame attached , even if accidental .

dave1357 - you continue to make the mistake of believing everything you're told 'officially' even though recent history is littered with examples of judicial corruption .

I would accept that drones could be used by certain bodies for specific purposes. The Army and police and a few other entities have firearms but if you or I are found wondering down the street carrying one for no particular reason,we are in serious trouble even if we have never used it. Same should apply to drones imo.

agree totally with the opening poster these should have been nipped in the bud from day one,what will happen when one brings a plane down ?

Dec 20, 2018 -- 10:01AM, Reynard wrote:

Interesting you use the word 'disclosed' , Glasgow . The cause of the Hillsborough tragedy was disclosed and many years later found to be a lie , instigated by the police to cover up their own failures . There are many recent examples of police covering up crimes in order to protect certain individuals and groups who have carried out organised crimes spanning many decades . It wouldn't take too much effort to conceal the true cause of the King Power helicopter crash in order to clear those responsible from having any blame attached , even if accidental .dave1357 - you continue to make the mistake of believing everything you're told 'officially' even though recent history is littered with examples of judicial corruption .

you don't know what I believe, but I can tell you that I don't indulge in absurd conspiracy fantasies like you.

Reynard, all i said was there was a video shown of the helicopter just after take off with  a piece flying off

from the tail rotor area. wether it was poor maintenance or something more suspicious i dont know !!

What i DO KNOW is it wasnt a drone.

Maybe you do know more than me but you can't blame me for being very suspicious of the enquiry outcomes given the number of times the public have been fed a load of lies .

Everyone seems to be shocked, angry with pitchforks at the ready (Daily Mail thread is equating flying a drone to an act of terrorism)

I've never had a drone or intend to get one, but I enjoy YouTube videos of the peaceful aerial footage of my local coastline
They've been around 10 years and I don't recall one serious incident from them.

Yet I feel now, hundreds and thousands of pounds are going to be wasted on commissioned reports, legislation, mobilising police and security forces and legal matters.

99.9% of it for the public, seems like a harmless hobby. There's barely any videos of them being misused or voyeuristically peering into people's homes and gardens.

Yet another topic that will be headlines in the news and social media. Everyone will be indignant.
And in two months there will be topics asking 'Whatever happened to all that furore over Drones?'

^I take it that you never fly?

Poppydog.
We KNOW drones are routinely used to fly contraband into gaols. I accept that drones are usually used responsibly. So were small arms prior to Dunblane but they were rightly banned afterwards causing a certain inconvenience to some but for the greater good of all.
I have said above there will be specific uses for which accredited bodies could be licenced but any Tom,Dick or Harriet being able to use them for "recreational purposes" is just silly given that they are potentially lethal as well as being a bloody nuisance.

I fly drones commercially, doing stills, video and survey data. I can’t help but think this is an orchestrated stunt. Flying a drone at night is a real challenge and a big no no without enhanced permissions from the CAA. Flying a drone at night, in the rain!? I’m amazed anything could stay up in this current weather we’ve had in the last hour. Hopefully they find the guys and they get some prosecuted.
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This whole story is quite bizarre.

A Gatwick spokesperson just said at 7a.m. they can still see drones, and except for a brief 30 minute period, there has been drones over the perimeter fence the whole time.

So:

Who would be mad enough to fly drones over an airport?
...in the dark?
...in the rain?
...continue literally all night.
...not be scared off when the airport closed?
...not be found by the police who are apparently "scouring the neighbourhood"?
How long does a drone battery last anyhow? There must be a while airforce of them, being switched when they need re-charging?
Something really doesn't add-up here.
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The most expensive ones will only just reach the 30 minute mark in ideal conditions, and the batteries take over an hour to recharge. For one drone to remain flying for that length of time would require the operator to be in the immediate vicinity to swap batteries several times an hour, and they'd probably need between 4 and 8 batteries.

I'm not ready to call it a conspiracy but that's some dedication to being a dckhead.
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yeah my DJI Mavic 2 Pro flies for just 30 mins, each battery costs £129 and thats the top of the line kind of flight time, with bad weather you get loads less. you have to be dedicated to be doing this and have a **** load of batteries. My guess is its some form of protest.

Also why doesn't the airport have drone countermeasures

The police stationed nearby should be like the RAF regiment, and trained specifically for this sort of thing.

The drones will be controlled and if a drone can see the transmitter signal why don't the police just have a direction finder for it? It'll very probably be on the standard frequency, 2.4ghz if I'm right. Pop out two guys [1] with 2 direction finders and you can find out where the controller is in minutes? FFS the Germans could do that to find resistance radios in France 7 years ago.

[1] Or people of any other gender. Like a female santa.

*70 years

Modern drones are apparently sold with some sort of system which prevents them from flying near an airport,but that can be over-ridden by somebody who knows what they are doing with the software.
The lack of proper regulation of these things is quite extraordinary.

Given this could shut down an RAF base as well the RAF Regiment should be capable of same thing anyway, I hope they're considering it. In fact just train them up and have a few on call near major airports to stick an SA80 into the face of whichever d1ckhead does this sort of thing. I'm sure a direction finder is a trivial thing to create. £50 quid and a bluetooth link to a phone app..

Sounds like a clear crime of assault and battery

ACtually given they can be a bit autonomous maybe they could be sent and then transmitter switched off...
But there must be some things they could do, fight technology with technology.

If autonomouss they'll work on GPS and you can f/k that right up using a directional beam.

I loved the idiots the other day who recorded themself setting up a drone to take stuff into a prison and then it got caught and had the film of them on it :)

Oh Jesus. Some stupid person who is apparently a minister in this shambles of a government has just stood up in the House of Lords and said they are going to make everybody who buys a drone take an a safety check.Online !!!
It is interesting that it seems we should spend billions on anti-drone technology so Poppydog can continue to enjoy his Youtube videos. This country is quite mad.

I see the police are now throwing themselves on the mercy of the public asking them to get in touch if they know anything.
I am amazed they can't track this or destroy it. One assumes whoever is responsible for this is trying to cause maximum disruption but not actually kill people. One can only imagine if terrorists started using these lethal weapons.

They are directable by people with very limited training and can even carry a payload. They are almost designed to be weapons.

They've been used in Syria etc and there was one apparently used in Venezuela a few weeks ago.

All this nonsense about our sky filled with heavy load carrying drones from amazon etc, total boll0x imho. Would you want a drone carrying a parcel to fall on your head or come crashing through your window? Fall on a road and cause a swerve or hard brake and a car accident?

By process of elimination...

Isis/ al Qaeda/ isil, don't exist anymore..mr trump said so
Britain First, national front or whatever they go by are too thick to doing anything naughty unless in a big group
Which just leaves...The Russians...been blamed for just about everything else this year so why not?

Or it could all be a load of rubbish, intentionally done to bring in new laws to keep us " safe"

I should have added Amazon to my list of undesirables who can get hold of the things without any checks.
I agree it would be madness if they started delivering using drones,but I doubt with the law as it stands the authorities couldn't actually stop them as long as they kept away from airports,RAF bases and the like. Hopefully their lawyers would.
I wonder if the have thought how they would use them to deliver to flats incidentally.

And here's twonky and as usual, conspiracy theory. Where's Terry Tinfoil?

Listen, I'm surprised that terrorism hasn't been mentioned yet..

They've already ruled out terrorism .
They haven't actually identified those responsible . How the heck can they rule anything out without knowing their identity ?

It wasn't Elvis or Mother Theresa, we know that much

Now it's been done and people can see the chaos caused and the cheap price of drones ..

Unfortuately you can see this happening again, for many reasons from bein a dick to blackmail etc.

I should start a drone countermeasure company, there must be ways of taking them down.

ANOTHER drone that homes in and fires a net surely would do it? Nets and propellors don't mix.

twonky • December 20, 2018 12:32 PM GMT

Or it could all be a load of rubbish, intentionally done to bring in new laws to keep us " safe"

Just Checking • December 20, 2018 12:35 PM GMT
And here's twonky and as usual, conspiracy theory.

In fairness there is evidence suggesting that they knew the identity of the individual responsible for the London nail bomb attacks in the late 1990's , but allowed him to remain at large in order to get an amendment to the Terrorism Act through parliament . They do like to rule by fear .

LOL bbc just showed a net being fired on a drone. Damn I need another idea to make my millions.

Did you not consider patenting your idea before going public ?

I didn't realise the companies would be so quick to knock up a prototype and send footage to Auntie

If the drone transmits back to the controller it should be easy to target them even in the dark, that's how anti-radar missiles work.
You lock onto the transmitter.

Somebody appears to have beaten you to that Just Checking,though presumably it doesn't work yet or the government hasn't got access to it.
It doesn't really look like Islamic terrorism as I don't think there has been any attempt to kill people which is their stock in trade but agree you can't completely rule it out. I've heard environmentalists mentioned but that may be just somebody guessing as well.

I wonder .. environmentalists it might be. If it was heathrow you might think it's an anti extension thing but ..

If I had to bet on it, if it's not just a total knobend, it's environmentalists?

Environmentalists = Knobends

I hope they considered the carbon footprint of the drone!

No one accused the Russians yet?

Surely Putin's behind it.

These droners seem to be making the authorities look like buffoons. Putin'poisoners (allegedly)acted like amateurs.

Crawley has been visited by a number of Russian tourists recently , asking questions about the exact height of local landmarks

Why would the Russians want to disrupt Gatwick holidaymakers?Heathrow would hit the IMPORTANT people much more. They have poisoned spies,who we would call traitors. Would anyone have cared if MI5 had knocked off Philby or Blake in Moscow ?

I am now quite connvinced that these drones should be treated just like firearms. The Armed Forces and Police can have them but anybody else would have to make out a VERY strong case and go through serious security checks. Bad luck for those who use them responsibly for recreational purposes,but I'm sure there would be people who get a kick out of shooting tin cans off a wall. Ban the sale asap,and flying them. Give people a year to hand them in then give the same sentences as there are for the possession of firearms.

The morning papers are talking about it being the work of enviro mentalists.!?

I guess that rules out enviro mentalists then

It sounds as though the police at last have an idea.
Far too thought-out not to have some sort of motive I would have thought and I suppose environmentalists are the most obvious,given that "terrorism" ,in this case short-hand for Islamic extremists,has been ruled out.

It has nothing to do with Islam because if it had, they would of waited for planes to be in the air to cause death and destruction because it is the Religion of Pieces.

Your point is correct imo opinion slicer,even if your phraseology could be improved.

Thank you. Allowances must be made regarding my phrasing because although I am highly edumacated, I have difficulty reading and spelling because I am illegitimate!

should have shot one down they must be lots of fingerprints on it

They'll have worn vegan gloves.

No doubt this will happen again! Absolute chaos! They say it's sorted but its still all a bit up in the air at the minute!

This is why my original idea to outlaw drones in the same way as firearms is the only answer. It's not just airports at risk btw. Can you imagine if people started flying them the wrong way on motorways. There are all sorts of scenarios where these things could cause mayhem.

Decent clay shot would have had it in minutes,

Not according to Grayson.

Er...yes you're probably right.

Grayling.
Sorry Larry     

Add dodgy MPs to the list.

Will do
Terrorists
Criminals
People with mental health issues   
Jeremy Clarkson types
Amazon
Dodgy MPs.

Back again tonight.

Gatwick shut again.

ban them - sorted

Flog them after capture.

Watch the planes take off

https://planefinder.net/

There certainly needs to be a ban until a different protection system is developed. Apparently it is legal to jam the signal in many countries but surprise surprise, not here.

I'm amazed that no one has questioned whether there were actually any drones at all.
Where's the evidence ?

^ itching to blame the tories , possibly Trump

Facts • December 22, 2018 4:27 PM GMT

Where's the evidence ?

There is none , apart from official sources

a British court will decide , thank goodness

I saw a drone today that looked bl00dy huge.I was in a pub garden with a friend enjoying a pint of Bah Humbug when he points up and says "What the F... is that" it was travelling very fast and it was a strange, eerie thing to see.Maybe, i should let our mate from here, Terry Macca know all about it."Tel,i think their coming here, mate,their coming to Huyton, i think it's us first and the rest of the world later".

lfc1971 • December 22, 2018 10:19 PM GMT
a British court will decide , thank goodness

And therein lies the problem