Kashoggi Died after a Fight

It has been that way for the last 100 years at least

Is the best policy not to do any arms deal with any other nation ?

Possibly , will Saudi be defenceless and will it end war , no

i am surprised no one has blamed the Russian GRU FOR murder of Kashoggi

so it was a fight and he got hurt - nothing to see here let's move on

that would be a good line for the saudis to take   -  what do you think!!!???

SEA  I was rite - it was a fist fight (that was how he lost some fingers)  I expect a plain brown envelope any time soon.

A fight? Or fell off a camel parked at the back of the Saudi Consulate in turkey whilst trying to escape.

It has been reported by BBC News that Turkey have been handsomely compensated by the Saudis for keeping the details of the barbaric murder of Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi Consulate in Turkey. Money talks even in diplomatic arena.

It's an ill wind..........

With the Saudis admission for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, can his relatives, friends and the world have his body back as proof?

They should be forced to release the body, and Turkey should be forced to release any proof, what's the point of all this if a couple of backhanders are going to finish it?

This is why everything on the public stage needs to be made PUBLIC

Morals will always come second to Huge amounts of money. If the world wants to punish them collectively they might find a way to do so, expecting the US to pay for it is asking a lot.

If we don't sell weapons to the Saudis some else will

So that's the excuse now is it

Someone else will make billions and not us

And I thought Trumps supporters were suppose to be against the monetry system

I always go for the guys with money

hope this helps the debate

anyone backing barca by the way?

Oct 20, 2018 -- 6:42PM, ufcdan wrote:

If we don't sell weapons to the Saudis some else will

ah the drug dealers argument...

No a reality argument. Sad as it is Trump is right about the loss of jobs and without the tax generated from the weapons sales how do we run the NHS schools, military etc. No point being principled if no one else will be

And btw the state should sell the drugs

I don't use the NHS, schools, military etc so I'd happily give those things up right now

No need for schools, we can nurture and teach our own kids

No need for a military as we shouldn't be fighting each other anyway

NHS? ok I'd give you that one, but we can still have that without selling weapons to loonies

No one asked you did they ? , if that’s what you want to do fine
I prefer things as they are in Britain now thanks

And it’s also nice to have our own police and military to protect us from loonies as well
And the  NHS and the schools

I remember the response from the then leader of China Deng Xiaoping when asked about the procurement of Harrier jump jet technology and hardware in a live interview on tv with John Nott (Defence Secretary) when asked by a reporter. Mr Deng: "If UK do not sell to us we buy elsewhere." No mincing of words at all. And there were willing sellers from France and America.

Yeah the fxxking French happily sold Exocets to the Argentinean's

BOOM!!!

Look it’s very simple, if we don’t sell the Saudis weapons , or planes , whatever , and if no one else does ( which of course won’t happen )
They will build them themselves , they will give big contracts to engineers and technicians and scientists and tradesmen from Britain and other countries and they will go there for 10 or 20 years
And then retire

Tax free

The Saudis building them themselves,...you cannot be serious. They are one of the laziest group of human beings ever grazed the earth. They have been spoilt by the easy access of oil and revenue from it; they would not lift their hands to wipe their bum if they could; they are also not known for their intellectual capacity either.

How I wished if oil in that region had been more equitably distributed throughout the region. If so, there would not be such disparity between some of the countries in that region.

^ of course they are rich enough not to have to do the work themselves, so what

Saudi Arabia aren't bad at botching hitman jobs though, and they ain't bad at lying about it either

Its a good job James Bond isn't portrayed by a Saudi, think of the difference in the movie

I believe a country is built by its citizens ie citizens build country, and not country build citizen. For instance, Singapore, Japan and China; all had little or next to nothing in terms of raw materials or money yet they are leaders in their respective regions. Singapore have nothing but its strategic position and hardworking citizens similarly Japan and China.

Saudis = Russians, but with lots of money..........!

plenty of people dying in fights in Landan

it is only a fight if you get to fight back

and watch your fingers

we were torte to ware boxing gloves

don't they do that now?

know wonder he lost sum fingers!!!

my son boxes, one on one, that is a fight. gets stopped before anyone gets badly hurt & nobody ever gets dismembered. to the best of my knowledge.

I lost a lot of blood - maybe that is why I am wot I is.

seemed like a silly idea to keep running on to jabs from someone who new how to box proper


why is it calle  box - would it be more safer in a cardboard box

you couldn't swing!!!

but I like swinging ho ho

ps clearly you haven't gone to the middle east

they have different rools  their

kinda my point

hamilton in pole

I am still slightly down on the day - so big day tomorrow

i doubt it.

wot  - that hamilton is in pole??  or big day tomorrow


you have no idea who is coming round to my place tomorrow!!

after the chelski farce I was heavily down   - no doubt about it

taken me all day to get back into position

or don't you do all this stuff on betfair

it is a gambling sight if you didn't no

i doubt you've had a big day this decade. Especially if you bet on the go carts

I'm just yanking yer junk moi. good luck on the cars.
i went to virtual reality F1 thing on Thurs. No idea how realistic it is but no way i could control
the car at top speeds. I did ok for a few laps but the concentration required to do 30 mins at speed was crazy.
I crashed a lot

NFL Sundays best days of the year red zone on sky is great no silly adverts for 7 hours heaven

agreed nellie especially on the back of some great champs league rugby. maybe not your thing
but i love em both. had an eye on Kyle Edmund winning his first ATP title too. All good

Oct 20, 2018 -- 11:31PM, moisok wrote:

after the chelski farce I was heavily down   - no doubt about ittaken me all day to get back into positionor don't you do all this stuff on betfairit is a gambling sight if you didn't no

Of course

Hence the seething on the politics threads, it helps me forget about my horrible day anyway

Red Zone is FREE to view on SkyMix every Sunday.

This thread has been hijacked by sports fan. But it is a pleasant deviation from the grizzly act by the perpetrators representing the Saudi regime.

it happens every day in landan and the authorities don't really care

meanwhile  -  little khan's 900 pursue people on line for not following the narrative

trump bought khashoggi's uncle's yacht

and ken dodd's dad's dog's dead

Is Jamal's uncle Adnan Khashoggi, the arms dealer in the 80's?

yes

Cheers! And you are promoting your interest (discreetly).

impossible
I had green across the top four today in the GP

nice woz nice too

arsenal match to get the rest back on monday

then start all over again

Have to chuckle at the righteous moralising from the media regarding this. What happened was horrendous but you are looking at a country who stones people to death ffs

Thousands of citizens stoned to death and the big companies, media, politicians continue to lick their Stone Age ar5es

Only when. journo is a victim, do they cry foul

What does he expect striding into an embassy and starting a punch up!!!
The peace loving saudis are quite right to be outraged

I expect my plain brown envelope in the post shortly

Turkey( Erdogan) will reveal all on Tuesday.

If the USA and SA can cover up 9/11 - then a "fist fight" will prove a dawdle.

Oops the world didnt buy the fist fight story(shock horror).

So now agree its murder (albeit admit big mistake.No sh!t sherlock ) but they dont know where/what happened to his body and the King knew nothing about it.

World will you buy this 1?? along with us still buying a boat load of arms?

How many "fist fights" end in a dismemberment?

The Saudis may have a shed load of money, but common sense is blatantly lacking; money cannot buy wisdom, as the saying goes. The Saudi government are suffering a delusion of grandeur usually associated with those cocoon within their shell (palaces) devoid of reality and common folks and democracy.

What would come next from The Saudi government? Jamal's body has been dismembered by hyenas or predators of the wild with surgical instruments perhaps.

It’s a genetic problem , the medical profession have known for a long time of the very strong link between cases of extreme violent murder and the genetic faults caused by the structure of some societies

some seemingly unrelated factors can make a very big difference , in Europe the Christian teaching for example of one man and one wife means that the genetic pool becomes more diverse , and people become more sane
Of course many of these great benefits were not even understood at the time

"structure of some societies", you do not mean sexual associations eg marriages between relatives (maybe siblings) of the same family or descendent? If so, that is vile in modern society.

Then in Britain there was added lucky chance that Britain, already the most intelligent and able of nations became the world’s first industrial country leading to thousands of people leaving towns and villages for the cities where they would find a partner who wasn’t from the same few small area
This meant that Britain became the most intelligent and creative and inventive and peaceful and free and democratic society the world has ever seen

Be with the devil you know than with the devil you don't, seems to be the mindset of some societies, I presume. Could ACAS be the way forward?

no idea what that is

oh I see , no that’s merely treating the symptoms not the cause

Sorry, just a flippant way of mine to try and add a bit of humour to this barbaric act from the undemocratic and inept Saudi government.

Video footage of a body double wearing Kashoggi's clothing leaving the Consulate has emerged.

Unless they are saying Khashoggis purpose to visit the Consulate was to obtain a wig that isn't a great double.

What some despotic government sponsored crook would do to try and pervert the course of justice? Can one imagine wearing a just brutally murdered individual's attire to try and hoodwink the world? Absolutely gross!

They must have taken it off before blood was spilled 

What? Before an impromptu "fist fight" - are you for real? Maybe just a spray with Fabreze before donning it on.

Must have been one hell of a punch for him to disintegrate like that -  that'll teach him not to integrate.

Or bath the victim with an easily available liquid who eats human flesh like piranhas, you know what I mean, Harry?

Unbelievable how cowboy an operation this was, even the fake body double is comical, why not just go down the lone gunman route, it would have been far simpler and more likely to have gotten away with it.

johnny english would have done a better job than these supposed saudi and russian hit squads

Makes you wonder how many times they've done something similar.

Wonder if they made scratchings with the fingers.

wtf is his son doing shaking hands with the ****s who ordered his death ??

.. rhymes with hunts.

this is a quote from Kushner, he really said this
"we're getting facts from multiple places. once those facts come in, the secretary of state will work with our national security team
to help us determine WHAT WE WANT TO BELIEVE"
WTF?????

Kushner is deluded if he believes what the Saudis are telling him after claiming Jamal Khashoggi had died in a fist fight. But for him being married to President Trump's daughter he'd not be anywhere near The White House let alone one of the President's advisors.

Nepotism has been taken to the extreme with President Trump.

what he appears to be saying is that we will just find a version of events that suits us regardless of the truth

The Salisbury affair should have been sufficient warning for any government not to pull this kind of stunt.

The fact that it was carried out on sovereign premises is neither here nor there in today's world.

The PC Fletcher debacle put paid to that.

You can't get away with State sponsored terrorism just because its your own little patch of turf, and they should have known it.

"we only planned to drug him"

what with a bone saw and other blunt instruments taken to the party?

Honestly this is sad

SontaranStratagem
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"we only planned to drug him"

was this after hed left the building??
or before the fight??
or so he wouldnt feel the disection??

15 people on a private jet to drug someone seems a bit environmentally unfriendly.!

Flogging millions of barrells of oil a day im not sure the enviroment is high on the list of prioritys.
Tha act of murdering Khashoggi in the consulate building smacks of stupidity beyond belief.

The Saudis are rich beyond belief but not very bright. If it wasn't for oil they would have nothing. Listen to a clever Arab's appraisal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5Fnm_ubIQ

GLASGOWCALLING • October 23, 2018 10:19 PM BST
wtf is his son doing shaking hands with the ****s who ordered his death ??

He's probably making full use of his limb while it's still attached

Body parts allegedly discovered in Saudi Consul General's garden.

What a bunch of clueless amateurs.
Did they even consider the implications of their actions/location of their actions.
@ least the "Russkis" are a bit more covert with this type of operation .
Altho they do share a common ground in the realms of boll@x for excuses/explanations

The more I think about it the more it seems to mirror many deaths within the M25 .

Still seeking a common denominator .................

it's a plot out of the stone ages, as amateur as you can get. Turkey also one of the most CCTV'd countries there is.

Daily Mail saying Crown Prince is a gonna !
.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6316605/Saudi-King-REPLACE-Crown-Prince-restore-credibility-monarchy.html