classic 'OH LOOK OVER THERE'   statements from 'progressives' to divert attention away from the main issue and severe problem that exists in the community

My view is that Mr Robinsons incarceration was unjust and almost certainly politically motivated - You disagree ?

I disagree it was both to be honest. Sentences are always open to interpretation but to call it unjust is wrong imo. Politically motivated also no. He was prejudicing a very important case. If he hadn't been stopped those men could have called a mistrial and the victims would have had to give testimony again.


Mr Robinson , along with a number of others , is concerned that there is a disproportionate threat to vulnerable young girls posed by pakistani muslim men . You are not ?

I've yet to see evidence of anything except him solely focusing on muslims and asians and turning a blind eye to everyone else. When he starts turning up outside court to highlight white, British paedophiles then, maybe, I'd start taking him more seriously. I'd take this "concern" more seriously if it wasn't such an obvious deliberate career path. He's a young man with a criminal record. However, he's persuasive and organised and knows a lot of thick, easily influenced people. He's smart enough to monetise that and be able to afford flash homes and nice holidays. Got to give him credit for that to be fair.

If you condone such actions and activities then you really need to have a serious look at the evidence .

If you think any of that acts as someone condoning child rape then you're beyond help. Maybe if I did something likely to cause a mistrial you could accuse me of that like.

You haven't read the Judge's statement have you PP?

There was NO chance of a mistrial according to the judge. TR's facebook stream could IN NO WAY influence the jury. His inacarciration was illegal.

As for not highlighting white gangs raping Pakistani girls for the last 20 years, TR hasn't done this because it's not hapening.

The Filth in Rotherham arrested an 11 year old girl for being drunk and disorderly in a house where she was being raped. The men were not charged.

The Filth in Rotherham said a 12 year old girl who was raped by 5 men was said she had sex consensually.

- Jay Report.

Sorry , Injera , I didn't realise you'd responded

PorcupineorPineapple • October 26, 2018 5:18 PM BST
Again with the "stop talking about millionaire Yaxley Lennon and focus on the work that I'm paying my subscription for instead please" argument.

He's a public figure and so is worthy of scrutiny. In my opinion he's a modern day snake oil salesmen or TV evangelist. You parroting everything that all his fans say whenever we bring up his crimes or rationale merely confirms you are a paid up member. Way too far down the rabbit hole I reckon. Keep sending your money. Maybe he'll name his yacht after you.

Can you try and keep it simple rather than injecting unsubstantiated nonsense into your argument . It only serves to cloud the issue (intentionally?) .
Are you confusing Mr Robinson with the BBC ? I was unaware of any subscription fee , I pay nothing to Mr Robinson or the BBC for that matter . I do not send him money and finally , where is your evidence of this 'yacht' that you speak of ?

And continuing to refer to those who follow or support Tommy Robinson as "fans" is clearly an attempt to trivialise those who share many of his views and concerns . It's really quite unpleasant to try and demean a large number of like-minded individuals . It's really rather childish .

Well the reason he was sent to prison was for that so unsubstantiated allegations is simply false. A different judge disagrees and now it's going to the AG.


Sorry if a bit of hyperbole throws you so much. The yacht reference I first used yesterday or maybe the day before. It is simply a means of illustrating the spending of those who newly find themselves very wealthy. Could have been a second home, a posh Jag, a jet plane. I mean if you've got documented evidence he gets sea sick so the yacht reference is way off beam then I wholeheartedly apologise.


btw - thanks for the tip on randomly putting words in bold. Given it a go myself. Hope you like it.

I thought weatherspoons were a good group.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcktvWFxtzQ

clearly by slinging mud at robinson they do not support the exposure of these groups and their methods

they certainly are not on the side thousands of young girls who have been harmed by these gangs

Listen to the wrong people and you would be led to believe that Tommy Robinson is a free speech warrior and a political prisoner, who’s only crime is exposing establishment lies.

The truth, however, is completely different. Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, has committed multiple offences with absolutely none of them having anything to with being a free speech martyr.

Assault
In 2005, Robinson was jailed for 12 months for assault occasioning actual bodily harm, for which he was sentenced to 12 months’ imprisonment, and assault with intent to resist arrest, for which he received a concurrent term of three months.

Assaulting a police officer
In 2010, Robinson was charged with assaulting a police officer during clashes at a poppy burning protest. After the fighting, a police officer was taken to hospital after trying to intervene in a 50 man brawl.

Rooftop protest
In 2011, Robinson and EDL co-founder Kevin Carroll flew to Zurich to protest on the roof of a FIFA building that England were not allowed to wear poppies on their kit because of FIFA’s political symbol ban. They were fined £3,000 for their troubles.

Assault at his own rally
In 2011, Robinson was convicted of assault for an attack at an EDL march in Blackburn. After he was goaded for being a government and police informant Robinson launched into a verbal tirade against those protesting against him. Robinson then proceeded to headbutt one of the march goers.

Luton football riot
In July 2011, Robinson was found guilty of leading a brawl that included 100 Luton Town football fans into a fight with Newport County fans. Fans were heard chanting ‘EDL till I die.’ For the crime committed, he was given a suspended 12-month prison sentence and banned from Luton football matches for 3 years.

Using someone else’s passport
In January 2013 Robinson was jailed for 10 months for travelling to the USA on his friend’s passport. Robinson admitted the charge of possession of a false identity document with improper intention. The passport Robinson used was under the name of Andrew McMaster. He checked himself in on the way out from Heathrow airport however when he arrived in the USA customs officials took his fingerprints and realised he was using a passport that was not his own.

Mortgage fraud
In 2014, Tommy Robinson was sentenced to prison for 18 months for committing mortgage fraud with the crime dating back to 2009. After pleading guilty in November 2013 to committing £160,000 worth of mortgage fraud Robinson was sentenced at St Albans Crown Court.

Whilst passing the sentence, the judge told Robinson: ‘This was an operation which was fraudulent from the outset and involved a significant amount of forward planning.’

“I am satisfied you took part in a thoroughly dishonest course of conduct,’ he told him.

Contempt of court 1
In 2017, Robinson was given a 3 month suspended sentence after he admitted a contempt of court charge for attempting to photograph juvenile defendant in a court case whilst having no right to do so. Court security had told Robinson not to film in and around the court as it would lead to his arrest. The 3 month suspended sentence could be activated within 18 months.

Contempt of court 2
Finally, earlier this year, the crucial case that led to Robinson being jailed and sparked the ridiculous Free Tommy protests. Robinson is currently serving a 13-month sentence for contempt of court. Robinson was arrested after Facebook live streaming outside Leeds Crown Court for an hour despite their being reporting restrictions on the case. Because he had a suspended sentence for the same crime the judge sentenced Robinson to 13 months in prison. Robinson pled guilty.

the point is that given he has proven how dishonest he's been in the past and willingness to break the law, why should we believe a word he says now especially as this is basically his career isn't it, he sells books and it was a bestseller, is paid to be interviewed by broadcasters, was paid by rebel media, he was paid/sent tens of thousands in bitcoin payments since he was recently sent to prison, receieved 10's of thousands more via crowdfunding and has donation option on his own website.

Being Anti Muslim is a nice money earner for him, and he's riding this train for as long as it lasts.

they are only interested in slagging robinson off to take away the attention from what he is saying about white girls being groomed by muslim gangs

by doing this those who do that are actually siding with these groups by trying to cloud the issues

you will not see them coming out and condemning these organised groups and asking why it appears just one cultural group seem to be mainly responsible

the other  active one is the albanian importers  - very interesting there too

but essentially porky osmond and scandanavian are doing this

by not coming out and declaring the repugnance and supporting those who have been exposing  -   but spending time denegrating those who do the exposing, examining, investigating,   they are in fact supporting groups who are exploiting these white girls


just like the senior copper in telford who tried to play down 40 years of it (not all muslim there by the way)

it is too dirty a subject for the elite and their supporters to touch

it is too dirty a  subject for the tv news/investigations to examine

we cannot have the personalised news media programmes like the kay burley show etc etc getting into it

far too nasty and messy  - lets do the royal family continually instead

scandanavian_haven • October 26, 2018 11:08 PM BST

was paid by rebel media

He worked as a journalist for Rebel Media , for which he was paid .
I cannot for the life of me understand why being paid to work should be used as a stick with which to beat someone

Why you include this as evidence of his dishonesty is totally baffling . Are you suggesting that being paid for work undertaken is a measure of ones dishonesty ?  Oh , and he wrote a bestselling book . WOW !

What it is , in fact , is an example as to the lengths that his detractors go to in an attempt to dismiss him and his views .

You actually make Sky News and the BBC look like balanced , unbiased broadcasters . Quite a feat

( I can't believe I even wasted time responding to such garbage )

speaking about imbalance, you're not even on the same page, taking one thing out of context and presenting it as another.

All those different streams of income are all based around being anti muslim, he is using the topic to make himself wealthy, it's simple enough stuff to follow.

the lunatics have taken over the asylum,but some of us have escaped the asylum before it was taken over

let battle commence world war 3 would be nice

oops has it already begun and we dont realise we are in one

lets look at the facts

in world war 2 estimates are about 20 million dead

since end of that and only counting armed conflicts around the world be that civil war or national wars

is already past that

PorcupineorPineapple
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My view is that Mr Robinsons incarceration was unjust and almost certainly politically motivated - You disagree ?

I disagree it was both to be honest. Sentences are always open to interpretation but to call it unjust is wrong imo. Politically motivated also no. He was prejudicing a very important case. If he hadn't been stopped those men could have called a mistrial and the victims would have had to give testimony again.


Mr Robinson , along with a number of others , is concerned that there is a disproportionate threat to vulnerable young girls posed by pakistani muslim men . You are not ?

I've yet to see evidence of anything except him solely focusing on muslims and asians and turning a blind eye to everyone else. When he starts turning up outside court to highlight white, British paedophiles then, maybe, I'd start taking him more seriously. I'd take this "concern" more seriously if it wasn't such an obvious deliberate career path.

^

Do you find it unacceptable for anyone/group to be a primarily a single issue activist?

e.g.
Do you condemn Shelter UK for mainly speaking about housing?
Do you condemn Femi Oluwole and Gina Miller for mainly speaking about Brexit?
Do you condemn Stonewall for mainly speaking about trans rights?
Do you condemn Breast Cancer awareness campaign for mainly speaking about breast cancer awareness?
Do you condemn the fast food rights campaign for mainly speaking about fast food workers rights?

Gina Millar is only concerned with overturning the democratic vote of the majority of the people to get her way
That’s her single issue , do you think that’s right ?

We could look at the others as well if you wish pineapple

Millers single issue , what about that ?

Do you think Millars in it for the money ?