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i_agree_with_nick
16 Oct 18 13:40
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Preceded (erroneously, I think) with the word 'The'?

The Ukraine
The Yemen
The Gambia
The Lebanon
The Sudan
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Report The Leopard October 16, 2018 1:51 PM BST
The Bahamas also.
Report i_agree_with_nick October 16, 2018 1:56 PM BST
I think that's because it's the Bahama Islands like the Phillippines, the Maldives, the Falklands...
Report Just Checking October 16, 2018 2:26 PM BST
The Netherlands.
Report jollyswagman October 16, 2018 2:27 PM BST
the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland
Report i_agree_with_nick October 16, 2018 2:30 PM BST
Again, I kind of get that - the low lands. Similar to the USA or the UK.
Report scandanavian_haven October 16, 2018 3:55 PM BST
would have thought it was obvious, it's because it just doesn't sound right in a native English speaking tongue to just pronounce a country's name without the -the. It would sound daft to say I'm going to the England or the France or the Chile, but doesn't sound remotely daft to say the Netherlands, the Bahamas, the Gambia.

Have to say though, I've never heard anyone say The Sudan or the LebanonConfused

I disagree with The Ukraine though, spanner in the theory.
Report Aspro October 16, 2018 3:59 PM BST
I disagree with them all. If I was holidaying and telling others where I'm going I would only say 'The' to a group, like the Bahamas, West Indies etc, not an individual country
Report i_agree_with_nick October 16, 2018 4:19 PM BST
SH - as I've explained, there is a rationale behind the Netherlands and the Bahamas but what why the Gambia?

It only sounds less stupid than the France because we're used to hearing it referred to as such.

As you say, no different to the Ukraine.  It's very common to hear 'the' before Lebanon and Sudan.
Report Sica Dan October 16, 2018 4:22 PM BST
from THE Human League


And who will have won
When the soldiers have gone
From the Lebanon
The Lebanon.
Report ericster October 16, 2018 4:31 PM BST
I think that they're regarded more as regions as they are countries.
Report i_agree_with_nick October 16, 2018 4:36 PM BST
Possibly, but they are countries.
Report scandanavian_haven October 16, 2018 4:42 PM BST
ok I may have to backtrack here, that was my theory anyway, looks like it's bit more complex than thatLaugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18233844

https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-185723,00.html
Report i_agree_with_nick October 16, 2018 4:50 PM BST
That explains it. Thank you.
Report duncan idaho October 16, 2018 5:35 PM BST
from THE Human League


And who will have won
When the soldiers have gone
From the Lebanon
The Lebanon.



i only ever remember the line '..and where there used to be some shops'...poetry!
Report Coachbuster October 16, 2018 8:00 PM BST
The -the prefix is simply because it sounds less awkward .

same as you wouldn't  say 'an historic' 

sounds too clumsy


I'm going to Netherlands ?  nah
Report ufcdan October 16, 2018 8:01 PM BST
The latest one

THE ISLAND OF IRELAND Plain
Report Coachbuster October 16, 2018 8:17 PM BST
or would you say the north of northern ireland ?  or northern northern ireland ?
Report Reynard October 16, 2018 8:25 PM BST
Surely the prefix 'Great' is the most pretentious of all Blush
Report ufcdan October 16, 2018 8:26 PM BST
Used to be Great Sad
Report Coachbuster October 16, 2018 8:27 PM BST
Great is a geographical term   ...a bit like Great Yarmouth ha ha
Report Reynard October 16, 2018 8:38 PM BST
A geographical term is 'Equatorial' as in Equatorial Guinea' Cool
Report Just Checking October 16, 2018 9:32 PM BST
Looks like the pop group "The The" would have got some chit chatters REALLY wound up Laugh

But angry enough to wish THE Grim Reaper to sort them out?
Report lybertyne October 16, 2018 9:56 PM BST
Surely the prefix 'Great' is the most pretentious of all

'Great' in this instance doesn't mean 'super'; it means 'larger'.  This is to distinguish it from Brittany (northern France) which literally means 'Little Britain'.  Goes back to Celtic times.

As for countries preceded by 'the', in Welsh Finland, Germany, Egypt, Italy and Switzerland are all preceded by 'the' (or Y / Yr in Welsh).
Report lybertyne October 16, 2018 9:57 PM BST
and Scotland too.
Report cruso October 17, 2018 9:01 PM BST
The UK
Report ufcdan October 17, 2018 10:10 PM BST
The Azores
Report Just Checking October 17, 2018 10:10 PM BST
The Great Pretender
Report Coachbuster October 17, 2018 10:16 PM BST
The Azores is Portugal Cool
Report ufcdan October 17, 2018 10:19 PM BST
Think you'll find coachbuster it's an autonomous region of Portugal if you want to be pedantic Mischief
Report Coachbuster October 17, 2018 11:33 PM BST
Shocked
Report Just Checking October 17, 2018 11:36 PM BST
In languages that use genders, is the definite article for their country male, female, or trans? LaughWhoops

Maybe we should ask someone from The Canada for an update.
Report Coachbuster October 18, 2018 12:09 AM BST
we(Great Britain) are feminine  according to the French  Plain
Report Capt__F October 18, 2018 12:24 AM BST
May oui
Report ufcdan October 18, 2018 8:34 PM BST
Sadly our May keeps saying oui Sad
Report Just Checking October 18, 2018 8:44 PM BST
Sacre Bleu! Nous sommes une pays du Womxn!
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