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Fox hunting in England was formally established over 400 years ago but in 2005 , following a growing campaign of protests and petitioning by animal welfare groups , one of this country's more ancient rural traditions was abolished by Parliament due to it being deemed as causing unneccessary suffering , despite opposition claiming that it was a practical form of conservation and pest control . Personally , I have never held any strong views on this issue but I fully understand the argument relating to animal welfare and animal rights .
Yesterday I was unfortunate to stumble across a short film showing the slaughter of animals in accordance with the requirements of Halal . The totally unneccessary distress caused to the animals was clearly evident and it was , without doubt , one of the most distressing things I have ever seen . What made it even worse was the fact that it is being carried out in slaughterhouses in the UK .
In October 2015 the government introduced guidelines for Halal and Kosher slaughter , but these guidelines were clearly not being met in the video I watched . A few months earlier a report suggested that only 88% of animals slaughtered by this method were stunned prior to being bled out . There have been subsequent reports and investigations that suggest this figure may be considerably lower . Either way , should we allow Halal slaughterhouses to operate within the UK ? It is , after all , a barbaric method of slaughter that has no physical benefit to those who consume it nor does it have any place in a civilised country that has introduced legislation regarding animal welfare .
Have we simply replaced a traditional British bloodsport with one from another culture ?
Yesterday I was unfortunate to stumble across a short film showing the slaughter of animals in accordance with the requirements of Halal . The totally unneccessary distress caused to the animals was clearly evident and it was , without doubt , one of the most distressing things I have ever seen . What made it even worse was the fact that it is being carried out in slaughterhouses in the UK .
In October 2015 the government introduced guidelines for Halal and Kosher slaughter , but these guidelines were clearly not being met in the video I watched . A few months earlier a report suggested that only 88% of animals slaughtered by this method were stunned prior to being bled out . There have been subsequent reports and investigations that suggest this figure may be considerably lower . Either way , should we allow Halal slaughterhouses to operate within the UK ? It is , after all , a barbaric method of slaughter that has no physical benefit to those who consume it nor does it have any place in a civilised country that has introduced legislation regarding animal welfare .
Have we simply replaced a traditional British bloodsport with one from another culture ?
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So much cruelty done to animals in this and other so called civilised countries. From their slaughter for food, to supposed conservation reasons down to simply sating people's sporting bloodlust.
If it takes some gammons scouring t'internet for reasons to hate other religions to make a concerted effort to minimise unnecessary cruelty then I'm all for it.
If it takes some gammons scouring t'internet for reasons to hate other religions to make a concerted effort to minimise unnecessary cruelty then I'm all for it.
notice how pineaapple avoids the question , he’s slippery like that
Now a proper answer would go something along the lines of thanks Reynard for bringing this to our attention , it does seem incredible if this cruel practice is allowed to go on every day , every year , and possibly increasingly so I’m not sure in Britain .
something like that
something like that
Here we go ...
Animal welfare standards are being unnecessarily lowered by the sharp rise in the slaughter of non stunned animals
According to the British Veterinary Association
Animal welfare standards are being unnecessarily lowered by the sharp rise in the slaughter of non stunned animals
According to the British Veterinary Association
The increase over just 2 years in the number of animals having their throats cut without first being stunned was of grave concern and was a major welfare issue BVA
My answer would be that animal standards are already rock bottom, and just in terms of halal/kosher slaughter. We just choose to look the other way. But you carry on only caring about something if a muslim's doing it. It does you great credit.
Now pineapple I don’t see why you felt the need to attack the messenger and start by insulting people really
But you carry on only caring about something if a muslim's doing it
If that was aimed at me then you are so wrong !
If that was aimed at me then you are so wrong !
No rey, I was replying to the old major.
Amazing really isn’t it , he wasn’t referring to Reynard in the very first post , no no I am not telling lies
he’s a slippery one is pineapple
he’s a slippery one is pineapple
pp i don’t know if your opposition to fox hunting ( assuming you are opposed to it ) is based on a hatred of British people or not , it might be
Yeah, obviously it's to do with that
Jesus wept you utter cretin.
Let's delve into it though. What's your opinion on fox hunting old man? Yay or nay?
Jesus wept you utter cretin.
Let's delve into it though. What's your opinion on fox hunting old man? Yay or nay?
Now it has been banned in the British Parliament
Why hasn’t this barbaric practice of halal slaughter been banned
Any idea ?
Why hasn’t this barbaric practice of halal slaughter been banned
Any idea ?
What is your reason for being against it?
I asked first , now let’s see
Why do you think the barbaric practice of halal slaughter is allowed to continue
Without so much as a peep from the great unwashed who protest against fox hunting
Any idea ?
Why do you think the barbaric practice of halal slaughter is allowed to continue
Without so much as a peep from the great unwashed who protest against fox hunting
Any idea ?
If you think I'm "for" halal slaughter you couldn't be more wrong.
Odd though how among the many, many different types of cruelty to animals that take place in this country you want to concentrate on the one specific to muslims.
Why is that I wonder.
Odd though how among the many, many different types of cruelty to animals that take place in this country you want to concentrate on the one specific to muslims.
Why is that I wonder.
You see this is going on every day , right throughout the year and is increasing year on year in Britain
Why have we not seen demonstrations in the streets and in parliament on this barbaric practice ?
Why have we not seen demonstrations in the streets and in parliament on this barbaric practice ?
Pineapple stop talking nonsense , fox hunting is banned ,good
Now you don’t seem to be very concerned about animal cruelty when this goes on in Britain
So why is that ?
Now you don’t seem to be very concerned about animal cruelty when this goes on in Britain
So why is that ?
I’m beginning to think you might not be so caring as you like to make out
Can you explain why it is allloiwed to continue , every day
And no mass demonstrations or rally’s to parliament etc
What is your thoughts in that , why are the usual types not protesting ?
And no mass demonstrations or rally’s to parliament etc
What is your thoughts in that , why are the usual types not protesting ?
Out of what I've posted on here (please take some time to re-read) what makes you think I'm not very concerned about animal cruelty.
Genuinely worry about your health sometimes.
Genuinely worry about your health sometimes.
Any idea , I must admit it’s baffling really , of course fox hunting was a British country pursuit
They stopped that
They stopped that
You see someone brings up their opposition to halal slaughter
And you choose to think that it is because they hate other religions
Well I don’t know why we shouldn’t question your motivations either
That seems fair
And you choose to think that it is because they hate other religions
Well I don’t know why we shouldn’t question your motivations either
That seems fair
You might be more consumed with a hatred for British people more than any genuine concern for animal welfare
I don’t know, but it is possible judging by your posts
I don’t know, but it is possible judging by your posts
Again, you appear to be losing the ability to read or think in any constructive way. "hatred for British people". Are you imagining your own conversation going on here? People could start talking about their favourite Fleetwood Mac song and you'd jump in and turn it into a diatribe against people with different skin colours or "leftists".
You need to seek help before you hurt yourself or others.
You need to seek help before you hurt yourself or others.
You see in your very first post you say this “ in this and other so called civilised countries “
Not that signifies to me a certain contempt for Britain
Not that signifies to me a certain contempt for Britain
You haven’t answered the question , why is fox hunting banned , and halal slaughter is not
Go on why is this ?
Go on why is this ?
Instead of insulting people in your usual bigoted way , try and answer thoughtfully
re your question, afraid I don't know. Suggest you ask your local MP or a constitutional lawyer. I'm neither.
That’s ok , you don’t need to answer
Sometimes the question is more important than the answer
Sometimes the question is more important than the answer
as with the original question , if you don’t know the answer don’t start calling people haters for trying to address it
You don’t know anything about that either
You don’t know anything about that either
Mentioning certain types of animal slaughter is a big no no. Also, do not mention 'the other bad thing that must not be mentioned' that certain types may have committed in some towns or other, otherwise you're an evil racist, understand?
Yeah where else would Alan's snack bar get it's meat supply 
PorcupineorPineapple • September 23, 2018 10:11 AM BST
Odd though how among the many, many different types of cruelty to animals that take place in this country you want to concentrate on the one specific to muslims.
It just so happens that I inadvertantly viewed a video showing the Halal slaughter of unstunned cattle and sheep . That is why I concentrated on this specific topic .
I have also previously seen video's showing : Badger Baiting and Dog Fighting but as far as I am aware these 'activities' have been banned under previous legislation whereas Halal slaughter is still legal .
Fox Hunting was considered by many , rightly or wrongly , to be an important rural activity and the most efficient method of controlling the Fox population (as opposed to shooting or the use of poisons). Despite this argument it is still banned in the UK .
My main point is why do we allow Halal slaughter ? What is the point of it ? It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever and is of no benefit to anyone . The method by which an animal is killed and the carcass prepared makes absolutely zero difference to the consumer to whom it is impossible to tell the difference between meat that is killed humanely or inhumanely ! This barbaric practice has no place in a country of so-called 'animal lovers' .
Odd though how among the many, many different types of cruelty to animals that take place in this country you want to concentrate on the one specific to muslims.
It just so happens that I inadvertantly viewed a video showing the Halal slaughter of unstunned cattle and sheep . That is why I concentrated on this specific topic .
I have also previously seen video's showing : Badger Baiting and Dog Fighting but as far as I am aware these 'activities' have been banned under previous legislation whereas Halal slaughter is still legal .
Fox Hunting was considered by many , rightly or wrongly , to be an important rural activity and the most efficient method of controlling the Fox population (as opposed to shooting or the use of poisons). Despite this argument it is still banned in the UK .
My main point is why do we allow Halal slaughter ? What is the point of it ? It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever and is of no benefit to anyone . The method by which an animal is killed and the carcass prepared makes absolutely zero difference to the consumer to whom it is impossible to tell the difference between meat that is killed humanely or inhumanely ! This barbaric practice has no place in a country of so-called 'animal lovers' .
Again rey, I was speaking to the major, not you. I'd ban it tomorrow personally. No need. If people want to eat tortured meat then find somewhere else frankly. Same time, standards in some non-religious abattoirs are absolutely diabolical too. Much more needs to be done.
As you say, we call ourselves animal lovers but wilfully turn a blind eye to what is involved in getting food on our plate.
As you say, we call ourselves animal lovers but wilfully turn a blind eye to what is involved in getting food on our plate.
Same time, standards in some non-religious abattoirs are absolutely diabolical too. Much more needs to be done.
Agreed , but there is a law that applies to what you describe as non-religious abattoirs and this law should be vigorously enforced .
Halal slaughter didn't even exist in the UK 50 years ago yet now , in the 21st century , we are seeing such produce entering our food chain by stealth . All so-called religious practices should be limited to worship within appointed premises , as opposed to rituals that are outdated and barbaric and have no place in a civilised society on which they are being forcefully imposed against the will of the majority .
Agreed , but there is a law that applies to what you describe as non-religious abattoirs and this law should be vigorously enforced .
Halal slaughter didn't even exist in the UK 50 years ago yet now , in the 21st century , we are seeing such produce entering our food chain by stealth . All so-called religious practices should be limited to worship within appointed premises , as opposed to rituals that are outdated and barbaric and have no place in a civilised society on which they are being forcefully imposed against the will of the majority .
If you want to see shocking animal neglect, and cruelty, check out "Animal Cops Houston/Phoenix and Miami"...
You will keep thinking you've seen it all, and then is something worse!
You will keep thinking you've seen it all, and then is something worse!
I couldn't possibly watch something like that LFV whatever it is, I'd find it too distressing 
Nor me . In fairness I didn't seek out the Halal slaughter video I watched . I kinda stumbled across it and watched in horror 
porky so quick to leap in and defend his friends AGAIN
I agree with lfc. Concerted campaigns to save a few hundred foxes a year, millions of animals a week subjected to Halal torture and no one is bothered enough to say owt critical.
it is called the rochdale syndrome - like sticking blinkers on a race horse
or more like putting a blind fold on - tying you down and giving you a jolly good spanking for your pains
or more like putting a blind fold on - tying you down and giving you a jolly good spanking for your pains
yes I am far two clervist for use lot
he has bin a good day on the soccerball sports fest two day
I am well up for it if anyone wants to take me on
he has bin a good day on the soccerball sports fest two day
I am well up for it if anyone wants to take me on
bee all rite if I could type proper!!
it has bin a good day etc
it has bin a good day etc
no it is not - it is like betting on soccerball and guessing how many times they fill the onionbag with the pig skin(apologies to any one of our friends who takes a fence)
shelling peas is working for birds eye
hope I have helped you with your incorrect and misguided view
shelling peas is working for birds eye
hope I have helped you with your incorrect and misguided view
Slippy, it is distressing but, at the same time, heartwarming to see the ones that can be brought back to health, and then fostered
before putting up for adoption.
Unfortunately many are to far gone and, at least, can have their years of suffering ended.
The sheer scale of the HSPCA operation is incredible, and the work done by the recovery team is sensational.
Often the homes and animals have just been abandoned, but where the owners are on hand, when the recovery warrant is served, are offered the opportunity to go to court and ask for them to be returned.
More often than not, and with the judge seeing the hideous evidence, that is denied, and they leave the court to be immediately handcuffed and arrested.
before putting up for adoption.
Unfortunately many are to far gone and, at least, can have their years of suffering ended.
The sheer scale of the HSPCA operation is incredible, and the work done by the recovery team is sensational.
Often the homes and animals have just been abandoned, but where the owners are on hand, when the recovery warrant is served, are offered the opportunity to go to court and ask for them to be returned.
More often than not, and with the judge seeing the hideous evidence, that is denied, and they leave the court to be immediately handcuffed and arrested.
PP sticking up for Muslims and their barbaric treatment of animals.
The courts in the UK are too lenient with cases of animal cruelty.
Tougher sentences and lifelong bans on keeping an animal would be a step in the right direction.
Tougher sentences and lifelong bans on keeping an animal would be a step in the right direction.
Aka, example please of me sticking up for this.
Should be dead easy to find one then.
Crack on sunbeam.
Crack on sunbeam.
I am far too busy trying on my three new dresses and three new tops to be concerned about the people you defend porky - they would have me off the top of a car park in a trice
you are so biase you would probably describe it as road traffic accident
you are so biase you would probably describe it as road traffic accident
the sun new I had ordered them - my south facing patio is really hot - the sun came out to sea me - happy daze
Last night I had the misfortune to view hidden cam footage filmed inside a Kosher slaughterhouse in the US (2008) .
Apparently when it was visited by investigators , including a senior Rabbi , the slaughter of cattle was carried out according to US legislation . The following day secret filming revealed that animals were in fact being slaughtered in a manner that caused unneccessary suffering and distress and that the abattoir in question had simply operated within the law only for the duration of the inspection .
This footage was filmed in the US , not the UK , but that is not to say that similar practices aren't carried out in the UK also . What is it with these barbaric alien cultures that they feel it necessary to cause suffering to innocent creatures ? Like I said previously it makes absolutely no difference to the consumer whether the meat they eat is derived from an animal that died peacefully or in agony . It's going to taste the same ! So why bother ? Are these people intrinsically sadistic ?
Apparently when it was visited by investigators , including a senior Rabbi , the slaughter of cattle was carried out according to US legislation . The following day secret filming revealed that animals were in fact being slaughtered in a manner that caused unneccessary suffering and distress and that the abattoir in question had simply operated within the law only for the duration of the inspection .
This footage was filmed in the US , not the UK , but that is not to say that similar practices aren't carried out in the UK also . What is it with these barbaric alien cultures that they feel it necessary to cause suffering to innocent creatures ? Like I said previously it makes absolutely no difference to the consumer whether the meat they eat is derived from an animal that died peacefully or in agony . It's going to taste the same ! So why bother ? Are these people intrinsically sadistic ?
I think the answer as to why halal slaughterhouses haven't been banned or are not monitored more closely, can be found in this recent informative article.....
http://www.theweek.co.uk/58447/halal-meat-what-does-it-involve-and-is-it-cruel-to-animals
http://www.theweek.co.uk/58447/halal-meat-what-does-it-involve-and-is-it-cruel-to-animals
WE have to have food for our schools , your Children are eating Halal ..
Thanks layemall .
Apparently Halal meat is an essential part of the Muslim faith .
The words Muslim faith refer to an ancient belief system that has no viable function in the civilised world , The Q'uran , like The Bible , being a collection of {allegedly} fictitious stories which have little or no relevance to modern life .
The reciting of a blessing prior to inflicting a slow and painful death on another living creature could be described as nothing short of comical if it wasn't for the suffering that follows in both Halal and Kosher slaughter . Surely they would be better served praying for forgiveness for inflicting such an inhumane death on one of God's creations (assuming one believes in God's creation and the Book of Genesis) . According to their belief system 'Only one animal may be slaughtered at a time and the other animals must not witness any death' . That certainly wasn't the case in the video I saw so clearly they excercise the right to 'cherry pick' specific aspects of their own manual . If selectivity is permitted in relation to the Q'uran then why not omit the whole section relating to Halal and just treat animals in a humane manner , even if they are destined for human consumption ?
As casemoney points out , Halal food has now entered the 'standard' food chain and I think that this is a serious issue , as Lord Trees stated when he addressed the House of Lords regarding this matter . He went on to say that with regard to animal welfare "we are going backwards!" . I have to concur with this .
Apparently Halal meat is an essential part of the Muslim faith .
The words Muslim faith refer to an ancient belief system that has no viable function in the civilised world , The Q'uran , like The Bible , being a collection of {allegedly} fictitious stories which have little or no relevance to modern life .
The reciting of a blessing prior to inflicting a slow and painful death on another living creature could be described as nothing short of comical if it wasn't for the suffering that follows in both Halal and Kosher slaughter . Surely they would be better served praying for forgiveness for inflicting such an inhumane death on one of God's creations (assuming one believes in God's creation and the Book of Genesis) . According to their belief system 'Only one animal may be slaughtered at a time and the other animals must not witness any death' . That certainly wasn't the case in the video I saw so clearly they excercise the right to 'cherry pick' specific aspects of their own manual . If selectivity is permitted in relation to the Q'uran then why not omit the whole section relating to Halal and just treat animals in a humane manner , even if they are destined for human consumption ?
As casemoney points out , Halal food has now entered the 'standard' food chain and I think that this is a serious issue , as Lord Trees stated when he addressed the House of Lords regarding this matter . He went on to say that with regard to animal welfare "we are going backwards!" . I have to concur with this .
you are making people like porky feel uncomfortable so it is the chop for you reynard (pardon for the two pig references - oooops!! three now) - just adding more ........phobic crimes to the list so the stats look good for the final purge, then their will be no resistance to the demographic push. You sea, they is the cleverist by far. You won't be allowed to utter a single word of criticism.
In certain publishing houses you are now not to mention pigs or their products.
What on earth will they do with animal farm?
In certain publishing houses you are now not to mention pigs or their products.
What on earth will they do with animal farm?
Aaaah , a neat reference to George Orwell , probably the most prophetic author of the 20th century 
Sea!! When I grow up I am going to become a pig and be in charge of use lot and put use in your plaice
Sep 25, 2018 -- 8:24AM, moisok wrote:
you are making people like porky feel uncomfortable so it is the chop for you reynard (pardon for the two pig references - oooops!! three now) - just adding more ........phobic crimes to the list so the stats look good for the final purge, then their will be no resistance to the demographic push. You sea, they is the cleverist by far. You won't be allowed to utter a single word of criticism.In certain publishing houses you are now not to mention pigs or their products.What on earth will they do with animal farm?
and yet you openly adore Trump and Corbyn, both of whom have openly stated their disdain for critical press coverage, with Trump in particular in addition also denouncing everything he simply doesn't fancy as FAKE NEWS.
a carrot for the ones who behave, a cane for the critical ones.
where have I ever said I adore corbyn and trump - do remind me - I dislike liars - but then you have a long record of that in your country
experts at propaganda and the latest fuhrer is no exception
disinformation to muddy the waters - very sneaky but only what I expect from foreigners
experts at propaganda and the latest fuhrer is no exception
disinformation to muddy the waters - very sneaky but only what I expect from foreigners
It has got nothing to do with you
now clear off back to your bunker with mutti
now clear off back to your bunker with mutti
corby wants to swamp the place with foreigners like you and trump wants to clear it up ho ho ho
Curious why you've bemoaned dozens of times on here how oh so poorly and unfairly lil cute innocent Corbyn and Trump have been treated by the press then.
Sea. It shows you no absolutely nothing - that puts you in your plaice. Good night.
Maybe calling it open adoration was indeed the wrong wording, dear mobo, but it is nonetheless very curious that someone like you of all the people in the world tries to tell others about freedom of press/freedom to criticise.
yes just the usual false information from you
just jog on and don't interfere with other countries affairs
you lot have a very good record of that in the last couple of wars ho ho
althought the push east by herr merkel was halted by the same old same old ha ha
just jog on and don't interfere with other countries affairs
you lot have a very good record of that in the last couple of wars ho ho
althought the push east by herr merkel was halted by the same old same old ha ha
the stuff you spewed out about me adoring etc - just a plain liar interferring in another country's affairs
go away and play in the bunker
go away and play in the bunker
So do you agree with the obvious notion that Trump and Corbyn both have problems with a truly free press and should both be condemned for it?
Shirley its time to Visit our Schools to Show the Little ones of all Creeds a video how the meat on their plates Has arrived there
As most of it is now Halal , Poor Little Janet and John may be a Little surprised ..
As most of it is now Halal , Poor Little Janet and John may be a Little surprised ..
Is just another example of what a sad joke this country has become.
A "sport" enjoyed for hundreds of years by country folk is banned, while the relatively recent and totally abhorrent practice of halal slaughter is allowed to continue legally in this animal loving country of ours. Btw, I am not pro fox hunting, just object to city folk dictating what country folk can and can't do in their free time.
Have said before, these animal activists would be far better employed demonstrating outside these slaughter houses rather than pulling the master of the hunt off his horse for example!!
And.....as has been asked earlier.....why has one practice been banned and the other allowed to continue?....think the answer to that...most of us know!
For those in any doubt as to whether halal slaughter is an abhorrent practice by our standards, then just watch some of the videos.
Casemoney.....agree...should be all about education......but won't fly as likely to offend and open too many eyes as to the reality of the practice!
A "sport" enjoyed for hundreds of years by country folk is banned, while the relatively recent and totally abhorrent practice of halal slaughter is allowed to continue legally in this animal loving country of ours. Btw, I am not pro fox hunting, just object to city folk dictating what country folk can and can't do in their free time.
Have said before, these animal activists would be far better employed demonstrating outside these slaughter houses rather than pulling the master of the hunt off his horse for example!!
And.....as has been asked earlier.....why has one practice been banned and the other allowed to continue?....think the answer to that...most of us know!
For those in any doubt as to whether halal slaughter is an abhorrent practice by our standards, then just watch some of the videos.
Casemoney.....agree...should be all about education......but won't fly as likely to offend and open too many eyes as to the reality of the practice!
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