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there is something dehumanising about that way of living really
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The ideal balance for a country and the individual is for the business to need every member of staff for at least 30 -40 hrs a week
And if at certain times due to circumstance , maybe a new order or a new computer system or machinery , whatever , they need a bit more then overtime is a beautiful solution , for the staff especially , and can be the best solution for the business also It’s practical and efficient |
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When there's oversupply of labour it's very difficult to stop this kind of thing from happening.
Companies have workers over a barrel. |
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It'll be hard to reverse it now with many workers simply accepting it.
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It's hard to imagine that it was a Labour government that did so much to perpetuate the situation of low wages and conditions by subsidising poor wages with tax credits.
Then when the Tories tried to end tax credits it was Labour who stopped them again by voting the bill down. And the plebs still think the Labour party represents their interests. |
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the number of zero hour contracts that theo spoke of do not seem excessive.
companies should have some allowance for their use but some companies use them as standard, which seems counter to natural fairness. most folk on zero hour contracts have no choice over the matter and whilst conditions remain that plenty of work exists they may continue to say they are happy. if they get bumped around they are less likely to remain content. |
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I'll correct that for you:
It'll be hard to reverse it now with many workers simply wanting it. |
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simple test is offer them a proper contract....or remain on zero hours
that wont be happening either, .....i wonder why not! |
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Many businesses exist from hand to mouth. They get an order in and they hire people on zero hour contracts to meet that order.
Such operations could NEVER survive if they had to offer full time contracts to staff with all that entails (HR department, pensions, maternity, paternity etc etc) I'm not saying Amazon is a hand to mouth company but even they will see sudden spurts in demand that have to be met by a flexible workforce. Constant meddling within business by politicians have made it VERY expensive to employ people. Holiday/sick pay for part time workers?? Give me strength. The award of permanent contracts when you have no idea in 3 months if you have any work for them??? Try sacking someone on a contract and they'll take you to a tribunal costing your business thousands. Patrick Hosking's (yesterday's Times) brilliant dissection of the C of Es finances is well worth a read.. Subscription online.. The tax breaks they get are incredible including reclaiming 100% of VAT. I'm self employed but according to Welby I'm most probably in the gig economy. The man has no idea. |
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It's become the norm, but if I were looking for employment I'd certainly want something better than a zero hour contract.
Come to think of it I don't know anyone working in this way. All the people I know have got proper jobs with proper terms and conditions. None of this ''can you pop in tomorrow, we've got a job for you for a few days this week.'' Which I think is about as low as one can sink in terms of employment. Except of course for the handful of people it might suit. |
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Try sacking someone on a contract and they'll take you to a tribunal costing your business thousands.
Of course that's a valid point as well. |
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it is what drives zero hr contracts that is the problem
some people will want to work part time of course , that’s fine That had always been part of the economy in Britain But there should be no need , and more than that no possibility of zero hr contracts Because the very nature of our economy should see that it is not practical And how is that achieved ? By stopping the oversupply of labour as dr crippen says That and only that drives zero he contracts |
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it is not a question of how many companies survive , it is the nature of these countries how they employ people who they employ what they pay what terms and conditions etc
There is no point creating jobs for the sake of it , it’s a lot of trouble to do that Stop the input of labour from all over the world |
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"Handful of people"
I find it amazing, as always when this subject comes up, you get people who don't work these contracts, who don't know people who works these contracts, lording over them saying they should be banned and they are so bad and second guessing all the people who work these contracts. You are as bad as the snowflakes who get "offended" on the behalf of black or ghey people when those people themeselves aren't giving a sh1t. If people want to work these contracts it's none of your business or a communist waste of space like corbyn, it's between them and their employer. It's a free country (well will be unless we vote in authoritarian excrement like Corbyn). |
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Totally agree that an oversupply of labour drives terms and conditions into the dust.
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In a thriving and well run economy and country there will be , almost by definition , a shortage of labour
That’s a SHORTAGE And guess what ? You will be able to work as few hrs as you want Without undercutting anyone else |
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Oversupply of labour? Unemployment is at it's lowest in 40 years and the remoaners are constantly saying that with Brexit there won't be enough people to do the jobs!
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Is there unemployment or isn’t there ?
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Are there people on zero hr contracts or not , are there people afraid to lose their job and fearful if being able to buy a house etc
How many millions now are at university who 20 years ago would be having to find a job how many on housing benefit etc Millions are unemployed but not classed as such |
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Unemployment is at its highest level it has been in Britain since certainly WW2,
Possibly before that |
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-kin 'ell I give up.
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Incapacity benefits is another way they hide the true unemployment figures , just look around to see the truth
Don’t believe any statistic from the government , they are all lies |
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Successive governments have taken millions of people out of the unemployment figures , then also millions more go to uni etc
Can’t compare these figures across decades ,sorry |
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The official unemployment figures belie the true rate , in reality over 20% of all people between the ages of 16 and 65 are unemployed
Not the 3 % or whatever they claim it is |
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Blinking hell if they aren't actively seeking work regardless of the reason for it they are not part of the "supply of labour" so aren't involved in the "oversupply of labour". Just because someone has lost the argument you can't just pull in totally irrelevant things to desperately move the goalposts.
The # of people in actual employment and the # of people who aren't seeking work who you think could or SHOULD be (but aren't) is absolutely nothing to do with the competitive nature of the supply and demand for those posts needing filled and the number of people seeking to fill them! |
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Then how do you truly know when unemployment is falling ?
There is only one way , wages are rising |
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Just checking it’s not about what you think. or what the government tries to tell you
It’s very simple , if wages are not rising don’t believe a word of their nonsense |
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My dad used to tell me that if he or one of his mates took a day of work, they felt self-conscious walking through the town because they stood out with so few able bodied men there. Most would be women.
They'd imagine people would be thinking why isn't he at work? Go to any town these days and they're full of able-bodied blokes walking around. Don't tell me as a nation we've all suddenly become ill. |
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Anyone with any sense knows that unemployment is not what the official figures say
Now it’s quite simple, there will of course always be done unemployment even in the best economy In fact there should be as people move between jobs But it is the nature of that unemployment , and the nature of employment that is important The fact is that many millions are not working and not counted as unemployed |
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7 day week crippen, shift work, and some retired folk dont look like old folk
from back then. my dad was same, and if we were ill and off school we had to stay in the house. |
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If unemployment was truly at the level that the government says
Then we would be in very good shape and wages correspondingly would be rising across all sectors That hasn’t been the case for 10 , 20 years Perhaps longer |
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unemployed as classified by the government is thoise claiming job seekers allowance,anyone getting made redundant living off savings,partners wages,taking early pension withdrawls,etc are not classified as unemployed and seeking work, I,m one of them, working shutdowns,maintenance down days etc,probably working 4 or 5 months a year but not signing on in between jobs
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of course its the over supply of cheap labour thatds the problem,without it companies would have to offer decent contracts,wgaes,benefits etc to retain the people they,ve got and trained,skilled up etc
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Many of those classified as in work are not working full time even though they would like to, so they have to claim working tax credits which is basically the dole for people who are not regarded as unemployed.
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briliant stuff from the archbishop , telling the truth about the Spivs and their rotten bent system
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Why do the the tory fanboys defend this rotten bent system , are they truly brainwashed completely ?
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Never liked any of the As of C with their phoney bullshine
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^ and hypocritical. That black dude a while back was okay … or is he Arch of somewhere else?
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25 January 2006 John Tucker Mugabi Sentamu (/ˈsɛntəmuː/;[4] Luganda: [sːéːntámû]; born 10 June 1949) is an Anglican bishop, serving as the 97th Archbishop of York, Metropolitan of York, and Primate of England. The position of Archbishop of York is the second most senior clerical position in the Church of England after that of Archbishop of Canterbury, Primate of All England. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1492271/Sentamu-becomes-Britains-first-black-archbishop.html . First black Archbishop enthroned - Wednesday, 30 November 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/4481796.stm . |
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"What is it to be English?," he asked. "It is a very serious question. When you ask a lot of people in this country they are very vague.
"Multiculturalism has seemed to imply, wrongly for me, 'Let other cultures be allowed to express themselves but do not let the majority culture at all tell us its glories, its struggles, its joys, its pains'." |