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Criticises Amazon for not paying their taxes and their treatment of employees with zero hour contracts and states that they are leeches and evil.

.... but wait a minute, the Church will not withdraw their heavy investment in the company and will continue to make big money from Amazon Crazy

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By:
themightymac
When: 14 Sep 18 22:31
The world stinks.
By:
broadsword
When: 14 Sep 18 22:46
A of C stinks
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 14 Sep 18 22:49
It makes you wonder about these liberal intellectuals who lecture us on morals.
Here we have another sanctimonious clown promoted above his ability, sounding off to draw attention to himself and putting his foot right in it.
By:
saddo
When: 14 Sep 18 22:57
In his defence the business side of the C of E is absolutely huge, and separate from the Church. I personally wouldn't expect him to know about all their their investments, and if he did it might compromise his decision to deliver such criticisms.
By:
themightymac
When: 14 Sep 18 23:13
All religions are full of hypocrisy. I would have more respect for them if they made a stance and showed some moral scruples by withdrawing their investments in the company. This goes for all religions. One religion is totally against booze and gambling, which is fair enough if that is what they believe, but how do they make their money in their shops? Yes, you guessed, by selling alcohol and Lottery tickets.
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Sep 18 23:39
maybe he has it about right , disagreeing with aspects of Amazon but it’s not the only company and it was a general criticism of zero hr contracts
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 15 Sep 18 08:11
There are ethical funds.  You would imagine that the Church invests its money in 'ethical' companies, or at least companies which its head honcho doesn't openly criticise.  The stuff about criticising companies from within might be valid if the Church can prove that their investment managers criticised the Amazon board and suggested to them that they should pay their staff more and give them better working conditions and therefore make less profit.

With regard to zero hours contracts, you might imagine that the top vicar would ensure that his own organisation don't use them before mouthing off.
By:
JOMO II
When: 15 Sep 18 08:31
Half-watching the piece on BBC News last night... did I hear right that C of E has a £12billion share portfolio? Shocked
By:
AFTERTHOUGHT
When: 15 Sep 18 09:42
Biggest Land owner - more than Liz !
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 15 Sep 18 09:50
He's not just made himself a complete hypocritical idiot over this by condemning Amazon whom the COE gives its financial support.
He did exactly the same when he condemned Wonga which the COE had also invested in.

So he's been the same fool twice.

Education: Trinity College, Cambridge · University of Cambridge · St John's College, Durham · Eton College

I wouldn't trust the buffoon to top up the water bottle for the windscreen wipers in my car.
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Sep 18 09:54
I agree with the Archbishop on this occasion , although he may very well be a buffoon as you say dr crippen
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Sep 18 09:58
They have to work within the framework as it exists , Amazon’s tax is a matter for the government
There’s no reason that can’t be critiqued while at the same time investing in Amazon
By:
Injera
When: 15 Sep 18 10:33
Anyone delivering a public statement ESPECIALLY if you're the AoC must do some homework before gobbing off like this. Ignorance of who the CofE invests in is no excuse.

He's gone all political, taking sides when he shouldn't. He made clear his opposition to leaving the EU for example.

Countless other issues he could address but instead he just trots out the 'give people more money' line. Tiresome.

He remains silent on the future of a Christian Britain and like his pal Corbyn & Merkel would welcome half of the Middle East and Africa here.
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Sep 18 10:42
Those are seperate issues ,  he was talking about amazon avoiding tax and zero hr countracts

I think he was right
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Sep 18 10:51
As regards immigration etc it’s for the church to take a kind and loving stance , that is their job and is why we should not be too quick to elect do gooders into parliament , they are forever looking for duties and good deeds that they feel must be done no matter how disagreeable


But it’s the rest of us who have to fulfill those disagreeable duties
That’s not good
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 15 Sep 18 11:01
Does he have any views on religion ?
By:
Injera
When: 15 Sep 18 11:12
Kind and loving to whom? To this country, aware of our heritage and faith or kind and loving to those who do and will change this nation forever?

As has been stated the C of  E and Amazon have 2 things in common. They're both worth billions and both employ people on low pay and zero hour contracts.
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Sep 18 11:15
The church is not a business so I don’t mind them having low pay and zero hr contracts in that sense
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Sep 18 11:19
In some ways I’m in favour of it
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Sep 18 11:20
Sets a good example
By:
AFTERTHOUGHT
When: 15 Sep 18 11:40
The Church - easy job - free house - flexy hours - very rich and still they send out the begging bowl for the leaky roof and the gullible still fall for it after 2000 years.
By:
portmanpark
When: 15 Sep 18 12:03
church of England worth 8 billion...........didn't jesus tell people to sell all their belongings  and property... give it to the poor and follow him..........don't they have read that part of the bible
By:
portmanpark
When: 15 Sep 18 12:04
don't they ever* read that part of the bible
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Sep 18 12:14
now you’re pretending to understand the bible more than the archbishop !

deary me I’ve heard it all now ( dr crippen thinks he’s a real dr as well )
By:
Gin
When: 15 Sep 18 12:23
"A statement from the CofE said it considered the most effective way to seek change was to be "in the room with these companies" as a shareholder."

Fair enough - can they give examples where they have done this then?
By:
AFTERTHOUGHT
When: 15 Sep 18 16:35
Gonna buy Wonga and up the APR to 1000%

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45534283
By:
Just Checking
When: 15 Sep 18 16:47
The majority of people on zero hour contracts are happy with them and don't want more hours.

It just goes to show how the church has become a sad place for left wing pillocks that they are parroting the Labour/Trade union line on that.
By:
Just Checking
When: 15 Sep 18 16:51
Of course when things like picking for boxes and packign boxes and processing and delivery is all done by robots (which seems to be direction of travel), the same people complaining about workers only being on zero hour contracts will complain about them not being employed at all.

What we have now will be pined for.
By:
Just Checking
When: 15 Sep 18 16:51
As if they were fjords.
By:
ufcdan
When: 15 Sep 18 17:44
As an atheist I have no interest in what he has to say or any other left wing liberal luvee for that fact Angry
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 15 Sep 18 19:11
deary me I’ve heard it all now ( dr crippen thinks he’s a real dr as well )

That's twice I've noticed you've made unprovoked comments of that nature about me.

What's your problem?
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Sep 18 20:09
sorry drC just a poor attempt at humour ! that’s all it was, don’t pay any attention
By:
1st time poster
When: 16 Sep 18 10:08
absolutely sick to the back teeth of people in the media,mp,s, pundits commenting on zero hours contracts when they don't understand them the latest been theo pap on question time who said he asked his head of HR that very day and asked how many were on them and why, he was told they had them because those on them wanted them,thats all fine and dandy theo the problem arises when your employer who wants 8 hrs a day 2 days a week,gets a tap on the shoulder after 4 hrs on day one saying that's it for this week we don't need you anymore .stand by your phone we might need you next week, and you get paid 4 hrs

these big Tesco,asda,amazon,sports direct warehouse,s are rife with it


there was even a snowflake pundit on lastweek using muscians.people in show business as examples of zero hr,s contracts,these people in the main are not on zero hr,s contracts but are freelances hiring out their skills,

if  theo and his company and  are happy for their workers to work the days they want that's not a problem if it suits everyone but these arnt zero hr contracts but workers and employee,s using flexi working hrs to suit all parties,

these people are either ignorant on the subject or lying, they use zero hr contracts to save on holiday,sick money,pension contributions etc,etc not to give theo,s piano tuner a choice of what day he works
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 16 Sep 18 13:24
No problem lfc.
By:
donny osmond
When: 16 Sep 18 13:52
theo asked his hr dept because he knew he was going to be asked about it on question time

good prep by him
By:
1st time poster
When: 16 Sep 18 14:39
no good been well prept if you don't understand the concept or reasons for zero hour contracts as invoked on the majority of low paid workers, all you need top no is they arnt used for employees to work flexible hours, mp,s to busy giving that oath jo swinston  atanding ovation for sitting in the house of commons with her baby,try taking yours with you on a Tesco checkout and see what your boss says
By:
Just Checking
When: 16 Sep 18 14:50
Majority of peole on zero hour contacts are happy on them and don't want more hours. No amount of leftie angst can change the facts.

I worked years on zero hour contracts and would be very angry if some idiot left wing scumbag from the 70s like corbyn/mcdonnell, or that stupid woman from that trade union wanted to interfere between a consenting working relationship between me and the people paying me, and ban them.

Who the hell do these people think they are?
By:
1st time poster
When: 16 Sep 18 15:00
that's the point if your happy with the hrs your working and your employer is happy with the hrs your working any change to zero hour contracts wont effect you, but it will protect those who arnt happy. you say you were very happy on your hours but would you have been happy to have them hours cut by 30,50,75,90% at a seconds notice , of course you wouldn't,


you seemed to be yet another person commenting on zero hours contracts who doesn't understand them. ive heard well off media pundits,newspaper reviewers on sky etc,journo,s who write 2 ,3 articles a week for newspapers,mags etc saying their on zero hours contracts they arnt their freelance,s who,s predecessors 30,40,50 years ago before the words zero hours contract was invented were doing the exact same thing
By:
1st time poster
When: 16 Sep 18 15:07
LETRS WRITE THIS VERY SLOWLY
in its simplest format a zero hours worker is one who goes to work at a warehouse,pub, etc expecting to work say 2 8 shifts mon,tues, but after an hours work on the Monday he/she gets a tap on the shoulder saying a  delivery,s not arrived. the pubs quiet tonight get yourself home I,ll pay you for the hours work forget about tomoprrow andi,ll give you a ring next week,

think marlon brando on the waterfront from 60 years ago
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