Gassed they were,lovely thing to do to their people just to get what they want,call it collateral damage Ifc

I’m out , I’ve heard enough

Terry

You have still not answered a very simple question " What do you believe DID happen "

Black answered he said (correct me if I am wrong)

2 planes took off, were hijacked & crashed into twin towers (similar to official version but government were aware of plan)

The other 2 planes were not hijacked but flew to secret runway & pasengers killed. At the same time the 2 other crash sites were faked to appear that the planes crashed their. ( this is very different from official story)

Is that correct Black?


So Terry - what do you believe DID happen.

Yeah look the other way mex

I've no idea why this discussion has to descend into personal insults.

I'm more than happy to accept the official verdict but imo there are too many glaring holes. Therefore I hold a different view.

Mexico you ask what DID happen? Firstly, Flight 93 did not crash land in Shanksville. Coroner Miller has basically concluded that. ('No wreckage, no bodies, no blood') and video evidence we can watch on here confirms that. There's a crater yet no plane.

From what I've seen of the Pentagon, there's a hole in the wall but no wing damage to the building. The official line is that the wings fell off on the lawn and so did not impact the building. No pictures of those wings have ever been released.

As Blackrock says, the chances of an untrained person being able to land a passenger aircraft  at that angle to hit the Pentagon is very slim.

The TTs and WT7? 2 Towers hit by planes and then brought down by explosives. Demolition job, suggested by many including firemen who heard explosions coming from various floors.

My eyes tell me demolition job too. WT7 not hit by plane. Controlled demolition.



Why you ask?

The Project for the New American Century published a report in 2000 calling for America to become a greater dominant force, BUT:

'In the same document, they cite a potential problem with their plan. Referring to the goals of transforming the U.S. and global power structure, the paper states that because of the American Public's slant toward ideas of democracy and freedom, "this process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

I'm open to a different view if facts convince me.  At present I take the view that  America sought a reason to sandwich Iran by having permanent military bases in Afghan and Iraq. They also hated the idea of Saddam and Gadaffi seeking to trade oil with China in something other than dollars.

Both Hilary Clinton and Blair have called for war with Iran. In 2017 George Bush used the infamous phrase 'money trumps peace'. https://youtu.be/VV2Mrf41W6Y 17 second clip.

Money is almost certainly behind most if not all political decisions. Again, in my opinion...

Injera

LOL you have not really understood the simple, reasonable question.

You repeated the question "what DID happen " ,
The tell us what didn't happen at Washington & Shanksville.


You did at least mainly answer the simple question regarding New York. - I assume you are saying the 2 planes crashed into WTC (as with official version) . It is not clear who you believe was flying the plane, hijackers or US government etc.


So thanks for the partial answer - I still don't know what you believe DID happen regarding the other 2 planes (nor pilots of NY planes)

I ask because this really should be on page 1 of any theory- What DID happen?


Terry you have still not bothered to attempt to answer this simple question- you prefer to swear & cry.

Lee Purbough was the only person present in the field as ft 93, came down

“ there was an incredibly loud rumbling sound right above my head maybe 50 ft up
  It dipped and dived with a huge explosion into the ground
  I knew immediately no one could have survived “

Correct lfc

There were eyewitnesses for these two crashes- especially the Pentagon- people saw the plane flying low over the city.

Also black boxes recovered for these flights, wreckage recovered, phone calls to loved ones , DNA evidence, the planes were tracked by radar/air traffic control.


And still Terry makes no attempt to answer the simple, reasonable question "What do you believe DID happen?"

lfc - please post a picture of Flight 93 in the field.

You see injera might not be so intent on the truth as he likes  that claim , well that was just a little example

Just saying

Post a picture. One picture of Flight 93.

Coroner Miller:

'I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes. Because there were no bodies there.'

'I have not to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop.'

Injera

Why would we expect to see drops of blood? Would blood be in a liquid form after being in a fire?


There is other evidence of this crash - black boxes, phone calls, body parts, DNA, wreckage, eyewitnesses, phone calls, radar

Now if you can’t be honest we are not going to get very far are we injera?

Well I think we can tell just how devious and deceptive injera is from that reply

Too bad , it reflects badly on the ‘ truthers’

deary me he’s still at it

injera no ones fooled , there were no bodies because there were only body parts

coroner miller “ human remains were confined to a 70 acre area surrounding the crash scene “

Now you can squirm all you like

lfc - We disagree. Perhaps accept it without being insulting. You can't post a picture of Flight 93 because no picture exists.

I've given you a link to Miller saying body parts were scattered but he told various papers he saw no  bodies and he assumed cremation upon impact. I would argue that's a first in aircraft disasters.

Your acceptance of White House statements is loyal.

Fair call Mexico.

I'm open to all possibilities. My views reflect what I see in the public domain. I may well be wrong (it won't be the first time!!)

Can you post a pic of Flight 93 in the field...?

Good post Jomo.

I would ask whether an (any?) official verdict should be accepted despite reasonable doubts to the contrary?

In courts, innocence is never on trial. Guilt is.

The official 9/11 verdict has (imo) holes in it.  Doubters have no duty to detail truth. They only have the opportunity to challenge the narrative based on genuine concerns we MAY be being misled.

FWIW the Establishment has history (both new and old) of misleading the public....

Injera

Interesting you mention courts

The evidence to support the theory that the 4 planes crashed (2 in NY, one in a field & 1 at Pentagon ) is well beyond reasonable doubt.

There would be fewer than 10 people in jail if courts needed more evidence than is to support the 4 planes crashed version of events.

There are eyewitnesses, radar, wreckage, phone calls, confessions, body parts, DNA, black boxes, video/photos .
Fred West & Harold Shipman would still be free if you were on the jury.

Look at all the evidence as a whole rather than concentrating on a quote from one eyewitness which could have very different meanings. If you really want to see a photo, there are many on-line but without context they are not much better than an ambiguous quote.

Well now let’s take stock

So far we have 2 truthers who have at least attempts to answer Mexico’s questions , although pretty pitiful efforts they were

Injera , who got into a muddle with his evidence ( that’s being kind )
but finally ended saying the opposite of what he had said initially ,
so at least that was some progress

and Blackrock , well he never actually gave any evidence whatsoever , just some fantasy that he seemed to believe
But didn’t bother to explain why , so that was that , not much more to be said about it

Let’s see if any of the others can do any better ,
anythings possible , I read it somewhere ......